Hating Apple is more hip and trendy than liking them

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Rakehellion

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But when using adjectives in a comparative/superlative fashion, you use -er/-est with those adjectives. So for proper form, you'd have your thread's sentence read:

Hating Apple is hipper and trendier than liking them.

"Hip and trendy" is a phrasal adjective, so my usage was correct. And "more" as an adjectival modifier is also appropriate.

Writing long-winded blurbs on the internet to make yourself look intelligent only works in certain company.
 

Rakehellion

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The case is nice

Ah, so you acknowledge there is a difference!

If you don't care that the Apple laptop is 30% thinner and lighter than the competitor's, or has a battery that lasts 50% longer, or has 20% better color saturation, or is 6dB quieter, or 10 degrees cooler, then don't buy one. An HP is good enough for you.
 
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Staples

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Not to mention, the mbp has a better touchpad than 95% of laptops. I interact with the touchpad a lot and am astonished how cheap a touchpad most laptops use.
 

LegendKiller

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Ah, so you acknowledge there is a difference!

If you don't care that the Apple laptop is 30% thinner and lighter than the competitor's, or has a battery that lasts 50% longer, or has 20% better color saturation, or is 6dB quieter, or 10 degrees cooler, then don't buy one. An HP is good enough for you.

ROFL, you obviously didn't read my first post about the veneer.

I don't care about thinner as it is pretty much immaterial. I might give you the battery, not the color saturation on a good screen. The MBP is not 3x quieter and mine is burning up (ATI is dying from heat).
 

LegendKiller

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So wouldn't that be a problem with Nvidia and not Apple? Or were you expecting them to perform some magic that prevents parts from another manufacturer from failing?

Sure, the first problem was with the nvidia chipsets, however, Apple refused to acknowledge it and offer a suitable arrangement until they were sued. Same thing is going to happen here. Blaming the other guy is common but the company making the goods needs to take responsibility on the front-end.

That's like saying that GM shouldn't take responsibility for a poor transmission made by a supplier and saying the consumers need to go to the transmission manufacturer for remediation.

Quit making excuses for Apple. They aren't standing behind their products and that's one reason why you pay a premium.
 

IGBT

Lifer
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didn't apple dump their proprietary Motorola chip sets and now us x86 technology?? The only thing that's apple about apple is the OS.
 

AznAnarchy99

Lifer
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Not to mention, the mbp has a better touchpad than 95% of laptops. I interact with the touchpad a lot and am astonished how cheap a touchpad most laptops use.

Forgot about this. I don't know any no other company can make a decent track pad.
 

HeXen

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Look chucklebunny, I have a early 2011 15" MBP sitting in front of me. I have also had computers die on me because of the nvidia problem (2 Everexes and an HP), same shit, different day. This is the problem with people like you, you'd think that the Holy Seed of Steve Jobs were wrung out from his used condoms and sprinkled on every computer Apple made with the way you guys think the hardware is built.

The case is nice, the rest of the computer rolls off of the same Foxconn lines as every other computer manufacturer's computers. The workers who suicide in their factories probably work on HP and Apple parts all day.

In other words you are butthurt because you purchased one particular model that happened to have sporadic GPU failures and failed to purchase Applecare coverage that any moron who is spending a couple thousand dollars for a computer would/should be able to afford. Furthermore it cots $500 to replace your board, you should do that. Why? because that's the risk you take if you opt out of warranties and such that would have it repaired.

like I mentioned, every company out there has certain models from time to time that just fail. Yet Apple still has fewer returns than many other OEM's and it doesn't mean newer models from Apple will have the same issue...which they don't. But similar will happen again one day, it does for every product maker. You're making it into an issue of fanbois when really it's an issue that every consumer of products regardless of brands may have to face.

So instead you'll probably opt out to spend $500 to fix it and rather spend whatever for a new HP or something and STILL not bother to get a warranty of some kind....real smart.
So now you'll probably troll respond about how you purchased Applecare and they said screw you isn't that right? That or some other excuse. Just man up and pay the stupid $500 for a new board, that's pretty much what everyone else is doing if you researched through the complaints.

Also, British based GPA will also fix your MBP as an alternative to Apple.

“2011 MacBook Pro and Discrete Graphics Card,” those still covered under AppleCare were able to lug their afflicted MacBooks to a Genius Bar and drop them off to have the laptop’s logic board replaced
 

HeXen

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Forgot about this. I don't know any no other company can make a decent track pad.

I think for things like this, it's because the engineers fail to really test it out and try to tweak things until it's perfect. They have too many "yes men" and no one to actually say "hey, this thing is crap, fix it". That's why they keep tossing products out, using consumers and guinea pigs to see which one really sticks. They then only fix the issues with future models so consumers are usually SOL. Apple focuses on fewer products and models for each one so that probably makes all the difference in the world which will give consumers the best user experience. For me, that's why I opted for a MBP over others because the complete user experience from packaging to usability has been good for me. I even love the magnetic power connector...how could anyone say some other laptop that has the typical male end plug actually say it's better than ...oh they don't, they just say how it was cheaper and similar specs.

It can't be that hard to make a trackpad that works as good as Apple's, especially one that doesn't require software/drivers that the user must tweak to make it work as good as it can for them. I'm looking at you Synaptics.
 
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SP33Demon

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Apple is like the Justin Bieber of computing, it has many hardcore fans willing to overpay for a concert ticket to look/listen to something simple and shitty.
 

Oyeve

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I think for things like this, it's because the engineers fail to really test it out and try to tweak things until it's perfect. They have too many "yes men" and no one to actually say "hey, this thing is crap, fix it". That's why they keep tossing products out, using consumers and guinea pigs to see which one really sticks. They then only fix the issues with future models so consumers are usually SOL. Apple focuses on fewer products and models for each one so that probably makes all the difference in the world which will give consumers the best user experience. For me, that's why I opted for a MBP over others because the complete user experience from packaging to usability has been good for me. I even love the magnetic power connector...how could anyone say some other laptop that has the typical male end plug actually say it's better than ...oh they don't, they just say how it was cheaper and similar specs.

It can't be that hard to make a trackpad that works as good as Apple's, especially one that doesn't require software/drivers that the user must tweak to make it work as good as it can for them. I'm looking at you Synaptics.

Apples trackpad is only that good on osx. Try using it in parallels with Windows xp or 7 and the trackpad is shit. It's definately in the drivers built into osx.
 

Rakehellion

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Apples trackpad is only that good on osx. Try using it in parallels with Windows xp or 7 and the trackpad is shit. It's definately in the drivers built into osx.

Probably because it's only available for Mac computers.
 

rockyct

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I can't believe we're still fighting the PC vs. Mac debate years after it ceased mattering...
 

AznAnarchy99

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Apples trackpad is only that good on osx. Try using it in parallels with Windows xp or 7 and the trackpad is shit. It's definately in the drivers built into osx.

Used to maintain about a thousand dual boot MBPs. Yes you are right that the trackpad isn't as good in Windows 7 than it is in OSX but it is still 100x better than any Synaptics POS.

I own a first gen HP Envy with their nice high res screens (before retina was retina) and I love it but some how HP took their premium line and made them all cheap again....

If I were to buy a laptop today it would be a MBP Retina.
 

mmntech

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didn't apple dump their proprietary Motorola chip sets and now us x86 technology?? The only thing that's apple about apple is the OS.

The AIM consortium, a joint project between Apple, IBM, and Motorola. The PowerPC G5 was unsuitable for laptops because it ran too hot and consumed too much power. Intel's Core chips provided better performance per watt. They were probably cheaper too.

Apple's biggest advantage if they can tailor their OS to the hardware. This doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference in the desktop world. Though mobile, it does. Which is why Apple's laptops tend to have better battery life than many Windows based laptops. It's a problem Microsoft is aware of but difficult to solve due to hardware fragmentation.

Also their laptops aren't really that expensive when you compare them to other higher end prosumer brands like Lenovo. The top end 13'' MBP costs more than the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, but it comes with a much bigger SSD and double the memory, which makes up for the added price.

Apple's desktops are a poor value though.

The iPhone is still one of the best mobile phones on the market. Consistently strong performance and are price comparable with top end Android devices.

The iPad is over priced due to Apple's ridiculous storage options. I also get annoyed with it's lack of customization. I don't like having to jailbreak all the time. The Surface 2 is probably better for my needs. What Microsoft needs to do is allow you to dual boot Android on it, or sideload Android apps like Blackberry 10 does. Would temporarily solve its issue with lack of quality apps.
 

brett_stevens

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Stereotypes about Apple users are no more than projection by computer nerds insecure in their own purchases.

I used to be an Apple user. We have so many options now. I like the freedom to build my own white box computers and install whatever OS I want on them.

I don't think Apple does that great of a job. Rather, I think the big PC manufacturers are so brain-dead I suspect VX gas in their nasal spray. They just seem to love shipping these block-headed, stodgy, awkward systems as if they wanted to lose market share. They're incompetent and it's agonizing to watch.
 

LegendKiller

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In other words you are butthurt because you purchased one particular model that happened to have sporadic GPU failures and failed to purchase Applecare coverage that any moron who is spending a couple thousand dollars for a computer would/should be able to afford. Furthermore it cots $500 to replace your board, you should do that. Why? because that's the risk you take if you opt out of warranties and such that would have it repaired.

like I mentioned, every company out there has certain models from time to time that just fail. Yet Apple still has fewer returns than many other OEM's and it doesn't mean newer models from Apple will have the same issue...which they don't. But similar will happen again one day, it does for every product maker. You're making it into an issue of fanbois when really it's an issue that every consumer of products regardless of brands may have to face.

So instead you'll probably opt out to spend $500 to fix it and rather spend whatever for a new HP or something and STILL not bother to get a warranty of some kind....real smart.
So now you'll probably troll respond about how you purchased Applecare and they said screw you isn't that right? That or some other excuse. Just man up and pay the stupid $500 for a new board, that's pretty much what everyone else is doing if you researched through the complaints.

Also, British based GPA will also fix your MBP as an alternative to Apple.

Boy, you really are a moron.

1. *early* 2011 macbook pros. This means that even under applecare they are starting to fall outside of the warranty. Luckily I am within the AC period and have had my logic board replaced *three* times. Mine expires Monday, now, luckily I am within the 90-day refurb period.

2. The logic board replacement doesn't fix the problem, the entire GPU must be replaced with a reball

3. Even with a complete GPU and reball people are still having them fail.

Is there something you do not get about this? Need me to draw stick figures?
 

LegendKiller

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Okay then, you don't care! So a budget laptop might be more up your alley.

I bet you're one of those guys who worries about an LCD TV being thinner or lighter when comparing them to plasmas, rather than whether the actually produce a better picture.

Superficial.
 

Rakehellion

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I bet you're one of those guys who worries about an LCD TV being thinner or lighter when comparing them to plasmas, rather than whether the actually produce a better picture.

Superficial.

And you're one of those guys who complains that the burger joint charges 50 cents extra for cheese. And doesn't even like cheese.


Yes, because a laptop computer which needs to be carried around all day is exactly the same as something mounted on your wall. Fuck, you'd probably attach a UPS to your desktop and tote that around to save a few bucks.
 

Rakehellion

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In fact, I never said that I care about having a thin computer at all. I said:
If you don't care that the Apple laptop is 30% thinner and lighter than the competitor's, or has a battery that lasts 50% longer, or has 20% better color saturation, or is 6dB quieter, or 10 degrees cooler, then don't buy one. An HP is good enough for you.

And then you went through the list point-by-point to say how all of these things which matter to 90% of laptop users are irrelevant because you had a bad experience with one computer.
 

HeXen

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Boy, you really are a moron.

1. *early* 2011 macbook pros. This means that even under applecare they are starting to fall outside of the warranty. Luckily I am within the AC period and have had my logic board replaced *three* times. Mine expires Monday, now, luckily I am within the 90-day refurb period.

2. The logic board replacement doesn't fix the problem, the entire GPU must be replaced with a reball

3. Even with a complete GPU and reball people are still having them fail.

Is there something you do not get about this? Need me to draw stick figures?

Lol, then wtf are you complaining about? You purchased one MBP that just happened to end up getting hardware issues that none of the other models had and now you keep saying how lucky you are to be within AC period while still griping about how Apple sucks. Applecare lasts 3 years. That's not bad, I don't know how you think any other OEM support will really be any better because as I mentioned before, all product producing companies will have problems at some point and often with worse support.
 

LegendKiller

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Lol, then wtf are you complaining about? You purchased one MBP that just happened to end up getting hardware issues that none of the other models had and now you keep saying how lucky you are to be within AC period while still griping about how Apple sucks. Applecare lasts 3 years. That's not bad, I don't know how you think any other OEM support will really be any better because as I mentioned before, all product producing companies will have problems at some point and often with worse support.

That's the point. In 2008 the nvidia lawsuit included Dell, HP and Apple (plus others). They all had the same problem and treated customers the same way, they ignored it. It took a class action lawsuit to get remediation.

The same will happen here, Apple doesn't give a shit and their famed "support" is no better. Their hardware is the exact same as everybody else. That's the point I am trying to make, you pay a price premium for nothing. You get no better hardware and the support is no different.

I guess simple comparisons are beyond a fanboi's ability to comprehend.
 

Rakehellion

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I guess simple comparisons are beyond a fanboi's ability to comprehend.

What are you actually comparing it to? Name a company who'd have handled it differently.

What I remember about 2008 is Apple released a new iPhone that was faster and cheaper than the last generation, so they handed out cash refunds to people who bought the previous model. What other company gives out cash?
 
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