Hating Apple is more hip and trendy than liking them

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Ichinisan

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That's not entirely true either.

If you know anything about the hackintosh projects, then you would know that there are OEM PCs that you can purchase which are near to exact matches of Macintosh's available lines.

Not only that, but the majority of their products use stuff that you can buy at Newegg. And the UEFIs can be modded so that you would literally have a Macintosh in all but name.

What I will say is that the Hardware purchases do tend to be on the higher end and thus are more expensive, but still not as expensive as actually buying a similarly equipped Mac.

At the end of the day, you are still paying for the OS which I don't think is necessarily bad. There is an argument for designing an OS to work with specific hardware.
Does a hackintosh support the in-line remote with mic, volume control, and control button when you connect an iPhone EarPods or headphones with the in-line remote? Do they support the Apple infrared remote? I haven't gotten an answer to this question.
 

Rakehellion

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Just as subjective as self reporting. If you dismiss my subjectivity you must dismiss all self reporting and only rely upon squaretrades verified 3rd party data.

The testimony of thousands of users bears more weight than the angry ramblings of LegendKiller.

And if you dislike self-reporting so much, stop giving anecdotal evidence to support your claims.
 

TallBill

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LegendKiller

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The testimony of thousands of users bears more weight than the angry ramblings of LegendKiller.

And if you dislike self-reporting so much, stop giving anecdotal evidence to support your claims.

I'm not, I am relying on 3rd party data of 30,000 incidents. What are you relying on? Self reporting bias.

Am I angry? Sure, I'll admit that, I am angry I was duped. Am I blaming Apple completely? Not really, I ignored by better judgement at my own peril. Do I think that Apple users are fools for doing the same? Absolutely.
 

LegendKiller

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It is if they are Apple religious fanatics, which is why hating on Apple is so trendy. Fannyboy Apple users are fucking annoying.

They are fanatics of the highest order. It's why their self reporting is a joke.

How many scientologists come out against scientology unless they remove themselves from the "church" (cult) completely? Not many.

How moronic does it look that they are following a science fiction writer's "religion" that preaches homophobia and alien spirit possession? Very. But they gobble it up, ignoring how stupid it sounds.

Another example is BMW buyers. Horribly unreliable cars. Yet they are "driving machines" that somehow have "better engineering". If they had "better engineering" then they wouldn't be unreliable, would they? But yet they have to justify their expensive purchase.

Cognitive dissonance.
 

Ichinisan

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I've had numerous non-Apple laptops die. Many of them died from basically the same thing:
Brittle lead-free solder + BGA package + high temperatures = FAIL.

Not just GPU chips. Motherboard chipsets too.

The engineering specifications (acceptable thermal limits, etc) came from the manufacturers of those specific chips. So we're forced to have lead-free solder because certain environmental watchdog organizations are scared of e-waste. Now, we have a lot more e-waste that is directly attributable to these initiatives. Meanwhile, my NES from the mid '80s still works perfectly. I've replaced the cartridge connector, but all the electrical components work 100%.

I don't particularly blame the PC builders for these failures. Properly fixing the problem for all affected machines would have driven every single computer manufacturer bankrupt.

I got no help at all with my failed systems. If a particular model / variant wasn't part of a class action lawsuit, you are screwed. Even if it had the same components and experienced the same problems with the same frequency as a recalled model.

Another laughable thing:
For at least 6 years, HP and Compaq would recall every single power adapter. The replacement would get just as hot and had exactly the same issue. These companies knew very well that they'll recall the current adapter a few years later after getting [X amount of] fire complaints. If I let the brick get even slightly insulated (resting against my leg, for instance), it would get hot. Heat would make power conversion less efficient. Less efficiency means more heat. It's vicious cycle and you usually notice before the brick melts down. All you can really do is pay attention. If the brick gets really hot, unplug it and let it cool.

This is probably still true today for mid-to-high-end notebook power supplies, but I wouldn't know because I haven't used one in many years.
 
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jkroeder

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I've built all my desktops since I was a teenager. My tablet is an Android. My phone is an android. My laptop is a Macbook Pro. So I don't consider myself an Apple fanboy at all. But I'll say no other laptop I've owned has come close.

Besides, if you build out similar laptops with specs and build quality, the prices aren't that different.

When specced compared to a $2,599 15" rMBP - 16GB RAM - 512GB SSD, etc

e.g)
Dell XPS 15 - $2,581.99
http://configure.dell.com/dellstore...del_id=xps-15-9530&c=ca&l=en&s=bsd&cs=cabsdt1


HP Elitebook 1040 - $2,579.00 (with worse specs actually)
 
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cheezy321

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They are fanatics of the highest order. It's why their self reporting is a joke.

How many scientologists come out against scientology unless they remove themselves from the "church" (cult) completely? Not many.

How moronic does it look that they are following a science fiction writer's "religion" that preaches homophobia and alien spirit possession? Very. But they gobble it up, ignoring how stupid it sounds.

Another example is BMW buyers. Horribly unreliable cars. Yet they are "driving machines" that somehow have "better engineering". If they had "better engineering" then they wouldn't be unreliable, would they? But yet they have to justify their expensive purchase.

Cognitive dissonance.

Yet you take a company that has a huge financial interest in laptops breaking as gospel? What makes squaretrade, whose entire business model is based off of people fearing their computer breaking on them, the end all be all for reliability? Squaretrade tends to get people who beat up their electronics. People who constantly drop their phone. People who don't take care of their laptops. People who tend to buy warranties because they know they will eventually need to use them. But apparently they are representative of EVERYONE, right?

If I wanted information on break-ins and how to stop them, the last place I would go to is an alarm company like ADT. Do you think they are really going to break down the facts in an unbiased way? So why would you go to a company that sells warranties on electronics to find unbiased information about laptop reliability?
 

HeXen

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All I usually see is brand hating because of particular models. It's always brand this and brand that which could only be valid if you own every model from the brand and have legit issues that only the brand is to blame or they break contracts, licenses..etc. Often, part and sometimes all of the blame is usually on the customer as well.
Each side is an agreement, they produce and support and you purchase and take some responsibility for what you are not paying for...that often being extended warranties and things like that. Be a smart consumer, read reviews,check BBB, license agreements...etc. Too many buyers don't want any responsibility to do anything before they decide on a particular model, service or what have you. It's your money, be responsible with it. If you get scammed, sue them.
 
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They are fanatics of the highest order. It's why their self reporting is a joke.

How many scientologists come out against scientology unless they remove themselves from the "church" (cult) completely? Not many.

How moronic does it look that they are following a science fiction writer's "religion" that preaches homophobia and alien spirit possession? Very. But they gobble it up, ignoring how stupid it sounds.

Another example is BMW buyers. Horribly unreliable cars. Yet they are "driving machines" that somehow have "better engineering". If they had "better engineering" then they wouldn't be unreliable, would they? But yet they have to justify their expensive purchase.

Cognitive dissonance.

What an inane post.

As it happens I own two BMWs and many Apple products. BMWs are, at best, middling in reliability, and one of mine (a 2006 330i) has been the least reliable car I've ever owned. It is great, even special to drive (they really do have great engineering acumen - it's just that they seem to apply it to the driving experience rather than to optimizing reliability), so I tolerate its bugs, but my next daily driver will probably not be a BMW. My M3 is a weekend fun toy, so sees little mileage, but has been quite reliable.

My MBP is far and away the best and most reliable laptop I've ever owned, including an NEC, a Dell, a Samsung and a ThinkPad. I have never had another laptop last much past two years before it started to break down. My MBP is nearly five years old and remains a pleasure to use.

See? People can acknowledge reality when it comes to their major purchases! Even naive BMW/Apple fans!

The idea that Apple users are uniquely predisposed to irrationally defend their expensive purchases makes no sense to me. Why would they be any more inclined toward that than, say, Asus, Lenovo, or Vaio owners?
 
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LegendKiller

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What an inane post.

As it happens I own two BMWs and many Apple products. BMWs are, at best, middling in reliability, and one of mine (a 2006 330i) has been the least reliable car I've ever owned. It is great, even special to drive (they really do have great engineering acumen - it's just that they seem to apply it to the driving experience rather than to optimizing reliability), so I tolerate its bugs, but my next daily driver will probably not be a BMW. My M3 is a weekend fun toy, so sees little mileage, but has been quite reliable.

My MBP is far and away the best and most reliable laptop I've ever owned, including an NEC, a Dell, a Samsung and a ThinkPad. I have never had another laptop last much past two years before it started to break down. My MBP is nearly five years old and remains a pleasure to use.

See? People can acknowledge reality when it comes to their major purchases! Even naive BMW/Apple fans!

The idea that Apple users are uniquely predisposed to irrationally defend their expensive purchases makes no sense to me. Why would they be any more inclined toward that than, say, Asus, Lenovo, or Vaio owners?

Cult of personality?

These are all very valid psychological viewpoints.

I have asked 2 companies about their warranty products for cars, both said BMW is well below average.
 
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LegendKiller

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Yet you take a company that has a huge financial interest in laptops breaking as gospel? What makes squaretrade, whose entire business model is based off of people fearing their computer breaking on them, the end all be all for reliability? Squaretrade tends to get people who beat up their electronics. People who constantly drop their phone. People who don't take care of their laptops. People who tend to buy warranties because they know they will eventually need to use them. But apparently they are representative of EVERYONE, right?

If I wanted information on break-ins and how to stop them, the last place I would go to is an alarm company like ADT. Do you think they are really going to break down the facts in an unbiased way? So why would you go to a company that sells warranties on electronics to find unbiased information about laptop reliability?

Why would they care? They see it as a risk pool and price accordingly. What would be their motivation? Even if you could explain one, whose motivation is stronger?

I believe the study removed breakage from misuse.

No, you wouldn't go to ADT, but you would go to a police station to see which alarm companies had the highest rates of non-responsiveness and system failures.
 
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cheezy321

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Why would they care? They see it as a risk pool and price accordingly. What would be their motivation? Even if you could explain one, whose motivation is stronger?

I believe the study removed breakage from misuse.

No, you wouldn't go to ADT, but you would go to a police station to see which alarm companies had the highest rates of non-responsiveness and system failures.

So then tell us why we should trust a warranty service study? Their entire business model is predicated on the fact that people are concerned about what will happen if their laptop breaks. 'Hey, remember that expensive laptop you bought? Its prone to breaking. You should definitely buy a warranty from us.'

Confirmation bias indeed. You found a study that confirms your predisposed position. Cant get any more cut and dry than that.
 
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