Hauppauge pvr250mce $95 shipped

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htpcguru

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Originally posted by: RadioUdotCom
Are the L and R RCA jacks on the 28552 card outputs or inputs??

This card is to repalce my Leadtek capture card. On the Leadtek card, there is an audio out jack (mini-phono) that I run to the line in on my sound card. I just want to know how to do the same with this card.

There is also a white 10 pin connector on this board, anyone know what it is for??

The L/R Audio jacks are for input, you use them in conjunction with either the S-video or composite video input if you are feeding a video signal in from a cable or satellite box.

The 10 pin connector is a A/V header. If you could locate the proper connector you could build a breakout cable to provide A/V input on the front of your case. If you really must know the pin-out is as follows:

  1. 1 - Luma 2
    2 - Luma 2 shield
    3 - Chroma 2 shield
    4 - Chroma 2
    5 - Composite 2 shield
    6 - Composite 2
    7 - Audio Shield
    8 - Line In 2 Left
    9 - Line In 2 Right
    10 - Audio shield
 

Pinan

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Originally posted by: psxjunky
If you already have PowerDVD you do not need ithe Intervideo decoder set as well ... although you can use it if you wish.
Thank you for confirming that, and for linking to the media packs Psxjunky. I'm sure that you have helped many others with the information that you've posted. Thumbs up to you.

Pinan
 

RadioUdotCom

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I've spent hours trying to get this card working but the only program I can get any video in is the AMcap program installed by the drivers.

1st I installed the drivers, shutdown and installed the card.
Rebooted, the card wa detected, I let the hardware wizard install the drivers.
The existing Leadtek TV2000 XP was no longer detected and when I reboot the machine and get the splash screen for my Ti4200 BIOS, there are colored pixels all over the screen.

I removed the Leadtek card and rebooted.

The only app I ahve really tried is BeyondTV 3.4.4 since it is the only app I can find that actually supports the card. I cannot initialize live TV no matter what.
I get errors in the log relating to the time shifting file or something like that.

Anyone have any ideas??

I already tried uninstalling drivers and application files for the Leadtek card and the ATI TVwonder I used to have before.
Uninstalled and reinstalled BeyondTv and the drivers for this 28552 card.

I am lost at this point. I opened an issue with BeyondTV but have not heard back from them yet.
 

psxjunky

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Do you have a software MPEG2 decoder installed ? Try installing WinDVD or PowerDVD and see if the problem with live TV goes away.
 

RossMAN

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I ordered this for $129.99 + shipping which should arrive this week.

Does anyone know if it's the Amity or Roslyn chipset?

I'm still confused as to which is OLDER and NEWER?

Which is Linux friendly and which is NOT Linux friendly?

Which is considered a REAL PVR250MCE and which is not?

What exactly is an MCE?

Confused!
 

TerryMathews

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Caveat Emptor. Z-Buy tech support told me they won't refund the different between my order price and the price they are currently selling the cards for. This is a copy of the e-mail I sent to their RMA dep't (That's who the tech support monkey told me to write to)
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I received my order today. Unfortunately, it is not the correct card; I ordered 3 of the 32552 (Amity) cards and received 3 of the 28552 (Roslyn) cards. After speaking with your technical support, I was informed that they will not adjust my order price to the price you are actually selling the Roslyn cards for ($84 vs the $89 I was billed).

I expect one of two resolutions from your company.
A) A refund of $15 ($3 * the difference between what I was billed ($89) and what the cards sell for ($84))
B) 3 of the 32552 cards delivered along with a prepaid mailing label to return these cards.

I paid with MasterCard, so ignoring me will not be an option for your company. If you won't give me my money back, MasterCard will.


Terry Mathews
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EDIT: Just received a reply from the RMA dep't. They're crediting me $15. Still, the caveat emptor remains. The price dropped before the cards shipped, they never should have charged me the higher price.
 

TerryMathews

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
I ordered this for $129.99 + shipping which should arrive this week.

Does anyone know if it's the Amity or Roslyn chipset?

I'm still confused as to which is OLDER and NEWER?

Which is Linux friendly and which is NOT Linux friendly?

Which is considered a REAL PVR250MCE and which is not?

What exactly is an MCE?

Confused!

From the picture, it's a Roslyn (same card Z-Buy is shipping for $84). Roslyn is not a true PVR250MCE, and won't currently work with Linux. Roslyn is the newer design.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the Roslyn; it just isn't as well supported as the Amity. Support is rapidly coming though.

MCE refers to Media Center Edition (WinXP MCE)
 

iwearnosox

Lifer
Oct 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
I ordered this for $129.99 + shipping which should arrive this week.

Does anyone know if it's the Amity or Roslyn chipset?

I'm still confused as to which is OLDER and NEWER?

Which is Linux friendly and which is NOT Linux friendly?

Which is considered a REAL PVR250MCE and which is not?

What exactly is an MCE?

Confused!
Don't freak out you got a good deal on a good card. What you ordered is a roslyn but it works with beyondtv (of course) and now Sagetv. The 28552 is less linux friendly, but as the previous poster mentioned support is coming- it has to be, this is effectively a "different version" of the 250MCE.

 

psxjunky

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
I ordered this for $129.99 + shipping which should arrive this week.

Does anyone know if it's the Amity or Roslyn chipset?

It is the Roslyn card (which BTV 3.4.4 supports). see the large picture here. You can read the model number 28552 printed on the Philips tuner box. The two big chips next to each other also indicate tha this is a BlackBird card.

I'm still confused as to which is OLDER and NEWER?
As far as the card manufacturing date goes, no one is newer than the other ... Hauppauge is still manufacturing both cards as we speak. The Roslyn 28552 is however based on a much newer REFERENCE design from Conexant. Most card manufacturers very closely follow the reference designs put out by the chip manufacturers. The Amity 32552 is based on the older reference design using the Conexant CX23416 MPEG2 encoder and Philips SAA7115 audio decoder chipset. The Roslyn 28552 card is based on the new Conexant "Blackbird" reference design which uses the same encoder chip CX23416 but a new audio/video decoder chip Conexant CX23880.

Which is Linux friendly and which is NOT Linux friendly?
At the moment, the Amity is more Linux friendly since this design has been out for years (though the actual encoder chip has had a upgrade recently, from the older CX23415 decoder/encoder chip to the newer CX23416 encoder only chip). Due to this recent upgrade, you actually need a patch for the Linux IVTV drivers to make this work.

The "Blackbird" based Roslyn card is the new kid on the (hardware) block, so there is no Linux driver available for it yet.

If you want to be absolutely safe with Linux, pick up an older Amity card which uses the older CX23415 chip. This card is easily recognized by the presence of the black heatsink on the main encoder chip. You probably won't find any of these in retail anymore ... so eBay is probably your best bet.

Which is considered a REAL PVR250MCE and which is not?
As gmessner explained above, only the Amity has the "PVR250MCE" label at the moment. Roslyn is an OEM only card at the moment and hence doesn't have a retail brand name yet (PVR250MCE or PVR350 etc.). I was told by Hauppauge tech support on two different occasions that Hauppauge will be moving its PVR250 series to the blackbird design in the near future, but gmessner has information from another Hauppauge source that when they do that the Roslyn cards will not be called "PVR250" but will probably be "PVR<something_else>"

Nothing is officially announced by Hauppauge yet ... so take it for what its worth.

What exactly is an MCE?
Windows XP Media Center Edition is an exclusive version of Windows XP that includes a built in Media Center application, that allows recording TV based on a free program guide (just like TiVo), organize your digital pictures, music and videos etc.

Get the details straight from Microsoft

Basically it is Windows XP Pro at heart, with the Media Center application slapped on top of it.

Currently you can't buy the WinXP MCE by itself. You have to buy a full MCE PC from one of the official vendors which comes with MCE pre-installed. The only legal way to get just the MCE software at the moment is to subscribe to the MSDN Enterprise edition, which includes all preview versions of MS OSes.

Confused!
Hope that helps
 

htpcguru

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Originally posted by: psxjunky
If you want to be absolutely safe with Linux, pick up an older Amity card which uses the older CX23415 chip. This card is easily recognized by the presence of the black heatsink on the main encoder chip. You probably won't find any of these in retail anymore ... so eBay is probably your best bet.
No Amity cards have a CX23415 chip, all Amity cards have the same encoder as the Roslyn card (the CX23416). You are probably confusing the Amity cards with the older Freestyle cards which have RCA Audio inputs but no FM. As you stated about the only place to find the Freestyle cards is on eBay, but even there they are scarce.
 

RadioUdotCom

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Originally posted by: psxjunky
Do you have a software MPEG2 decoder installed ? Try installing WinDVD or PowerDVD and see if the problem with live TV goes away.

I have power DVD installed.
This problem has nothing to do with the decoder.

I have seen some posts on the BeyondTV forums where people have the same errors, most people cannot get past the errors, some have though.

I emailed Cnetpc for an RMA, they said they will swap the card for a 32552 instead.
I spent hours on this already, I am way too busy to get to the bottom of this problem, even though I would love to solve the problem I just simply do not have time to do so.

I may install MCE 2004 on my spare machine just to see if it will work on there before I send it back
 

RossMAN

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THANK YOU everyone who replied, that really helped

Fortunately I don't plan on using this with Linux (although eventually I'd like to try Myth TV but Beyond TV/Sage TV should keep me busy for a while).

I'm just glad that I got the "newer" card.

Since the Roslyn isn't a "true" PVR250MCE card, there's no FM tuner?
 

htpcguru

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Since the Roslyn isn't a "true" PVR250MCE card, there's no FM tuner?

The Roslyn card was designed for MCE 2004 and definitely has an FM tuner.
 

psxjunky

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Originally posted by: htpcguru
Originally posted by: psxjunky
If you want to be absolutely safe with Linux, pick up an older Amity card which uses the older CX23415 chip. This card is easily recognized by the presence of the black heatsink on the main encoder chip. You probably won't find any of these in retail anymore ... so eBay is probably your best bet.
No Amity cards have a CX23415 chip, all Amity cards have the same encoder as the Roslyn card (the CX23416). You are probably confusing the Amity cards with the older Freestyle cards which have RCA Audio inputs but no FM. As you stated about the only place to find the Freestyle cards is on eBay, but even there they are scarce.

You are absolutely right ... I was confusing the Amity with the FreeStyle cards.

Yes, so if you want absolute confidence with Linux TODAY, find an older version of the PVR250 (with the heatsink) that uses the 23415 chip. Here are some model numbers that fit the bill - 48011, 48232, 48402 and 48432.
 

ww4397

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Is there any freeware available that will work with the Roslyn card? Or, is the only option to use BeyondTV, SageTV, etc.

I just want to watch TV and do some simple TV show recording. Nothing fancy.

Thanks.


BTW, is anyone familiar with GotTV Power PVR? Looks like it is free.
 

Bry

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I just got my Roslyn card and I can't get the drivers to install. I am running:

Windows XP Pro
Asus 845G motherboard
Pentium 4 2.4ghz

I am trying to install the Roslyn drivers from the shspvr MCE link.

I bought the OEM Roslyn board, and Windows recognizes it as "Hauppauge WinTV 88x Video (MPEG+Front)". Unfortunately, the drivers don't install (some problem with "rundll.exe"). If I comment out the rundll stuff in the INF, it says "A service installation section in this INF is invalid".

What's wrong?
 

huesmann

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Mine installs as "Hauppage decoder-16" or something like that (I'm at work so can't check).
 

RadioUdotCom

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Originally posted by: Bry


I bought the OEM Roslyn board, and Windows recognizes it as "Hauppauge WinTV 88x Video (MPEG+Front)". Unfortunately, the drivers don't install (some problem with "rundll.exe"). If I comment out the rundll stuff in the INF, it says "A service installation section in this INF is invalid".

What's wrong?

I got my drivers from the same place you did and they installed fine. Mine also is shown as Hauppauge WinTV 88x Video (MPEG+Front).

Maybe you have an incompatible version of rundll.exe or something.
 

Tsunami982

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i got mine yesterday (roslyn) and its great, but then again i am running mce2004. ive started recording TONS of stuff... i know this is a little off topic but can anyone recommend a good divx encoder?
 

iwearnosox

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Originally posted by: Tsunami982
i got mine yesterday (roslyn) and its great, but then again i am running mce2004. ive started recording TONS of stuff... i know this is a little off topic but can anyone recommend a good divx encoder?

Dr. Divx works well for me.
 

psxjunky

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Originally posted by: Tsunami982
i got mine yesterday (roslyn) and its great, but then again i am running mce2004. ive started recording TONS of stuff... i know this is a little off topic but can anyone recommend a good divx encoder?

Dr. DivX from DivxNetworks (the creator of DivX) provides the best balance between ease of use and quality of result, IMHO.

If you are not afraid to tweak a lot, then check out GordianKnot
 
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