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Vic

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A libtard goes on a killing spree with a handgun, car and knife in a state with strict gun rights restrictions.

No story here. Doesn't fit the narrative.

I keep waiting for the day when you're the killer.
 

bradly1101

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I don't know. bradly1101's hijacking of this tragedy to further his anti-gun political agenda is a pretty disgusting, depressing display of narcissistic douchebaggery.

It's particularly unfortunate because it derails discussion about real issues, like the United States' hopelessly broken mental health and judicial systems. This isn't the first mass murder where family/friends/doctors expected the assailant to snap but had effectively no legal way to intervene. And as long as partisan imbeciles focus the discussion on "durr gunz r bad," it likely won't be the last.
 

HamburgerBoy

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It's funny because Switzerland actually does have a higher rate of shootings than comparable European nations, yet their overall murder rate is nothing out of the ordinary.
 

Zaap

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You have in posters that aren't probably 25+ years old?

Note the reference to West Germany?
It's a stat from 1980. Way for the anti-gun nuts to be up-to-date.

The 2013 number was around 6,000 handgun deaths. So- our population has gone up in 34 years, but the number of handgun deaths has dropped off quite a bit.

***CRISIS!!!!***
 
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It's a stat from 1980. Way for the anti-gun nuts to be up-to-date.

The 2013 number was around 6,000 handgun deaths. So- our population has gone up in 34 years, but the number of handgun deaths has dropped off quite a bit.

***CRISIS!!!!***

Where are you getting that number? According to CDC there were roughly 32,000 gun deaths per year in the US in 2010 and 2011, and I'm sure the majority of those were handgun related. I don't believe the number could possibly have dropped that dramatically in the last 3 years.
 
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irishScott

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Where are you getting that number? According to CDC there were roughly 32,000 gun deaths in the US in 2010, and I would expect the majority of those were handgun related. I don't believe the number could possibly have dropped that dramatically in the last 3 years.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...le_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2012.xls

Data for 2012. Handguns accounted for 6,371 homicides. Granted the number gets bigger when you throw in suicides, but suicidal people are suicidal in my book. If they didn't have a handgun they'd hang themselves or take a car exhaust induced nap.
 
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http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...le_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2012.xls

Data for 2012. Handguns accounted for 6,371 homicides. Granted the number gets bigger when you throw in suicides, but suicidal people are suicidal in my book. If they didn't have a handgun they'd hang themselves or take a car exhaust induced nap.

The phrase we are talking about is "handgun deaths," to compare apples to apples (that is what that poster is talking about). It's meaningless to say that there are "only" 6,371 handgun homicides in the context of what the poster is referring to, because it's including only a smaller subset of a larger number. Apparently nearly 20,000 people killed themselves with guns in 2010 - http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/ - and I would have to assume the significant majority of these involved handguns. My point is that it's misleading to compare homicide-only numbers for recent years to "handgun deaths" numbers from the 1980s and argue that the number has gone down - in fact it has risen considerably.

I am not anti-gun - I am a gun owner myself - but this kind of fast-and-loose-with-the-facts argument inhibits real productive discussion in my view.

(Also, as an aside, I do think it's fair to include suicides in overall gun mortality numbers, since guns are so much more effective as a means of committing suicide than other methods - this is why the success rate of suicides among men is so much higher than it is among women.)
 

irishScott

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The phrase we are talking about is "handgun deaths," to compare apples to apples (that is what that poster is talking about). It's meaningless to say that there are "only" 6,371 handgun homicides in the context of what the poster is referring to, because it's including only a smaller subset of a larger number. Apparently nearly 20,000 people killed themselves with guns in 2010 - http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/ - and I would have to assume the significant majority of these involved handguns. My point is that it's misleading to compare homicide-only numbers for recent years to "handgun deaths" numbers from the 1980s and argue that the number has gone down - in fact it has risen considerably.

I am not anti-gun - I am a gun owner myself - but this kind of fast-and-loose-with-the-facts argument inhibits real productive discussion in my view.

(Also, as an aside, I do think it's fair to include suicides in overall gun mortality numbers, since guns are so much more effective as a means of committing suicide than other methods - this is why the success rate of suicides among men is so much higher than it is among women.)

Uhh, no disrespect but did you read your own link?



Looks like total handgun deaths, suicides included, are down since the date of that flier. 7.3+ to 6.3.

And in this case the comparison to homicides is appropriate because TMK that flier is talking about handgun homicides. As that PEW link you posted states, handgun suicides were also greater in years past. If it was talking about total gun deaths the number would be much higher than 10,000 back when West Germany was still around. It's the flier that playing fast and loose with terminology and statistics, not us.
 

Thebobo

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It's a stat from 1980. Way for the anti-gun nuts to be up-to-date.

The 2013 number was around 6,000 handgun deaths. So- our population has gone up in 34 years, but the number of handgun deaths has dropped off quite a bit.

***CRISIS!!!!***

Only thing I could find with for 2013 - It has gone down but that seemed low.

 

irishScott

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Only thing I could find with for 2013 - It has gone down but that seemed low.


Lol at how it's gone up everywhere else and gone down in the US. Although to be clear, that number now includes suicides and homicides whereas the previous flier was clearly only talking about homicides.

When the deaths from homicides got too low to shock people enough, they had to move the goal posts.
 

jpeyton

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Lol at how it's gone up everywhere else and gone down in the US. Although to be clear, that number now includes suicides and homicides whereas the previous flier was clearly only talking about homicides.

When the deaths from homicides got too low to shock people enough, they had to move the goal posts.
No, actually that's just homicides. But they changed the wording so it's no longer just "handguns", but all guns (including long guns and shotguns).

With suicides, it's somewhere north of 30,000. But as I said before, 11k isn't much in the grand scheme of things. I know every life is precious...yadayadayada...but it's really not.
 

irishScott

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No, actually that's just homicides. But they changed the wording so it's no longer just "handguns", but all guns (including long guns and shotguns).

With suicides, it's somewhere north of 30,000. But as I said before, 11k isn't much in the grand scheme of things. I know every life is precious...yadayadayada...but it's really not.

No it's not.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...le_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2012.xls

The correct number for total firearm homicides for 2012 would be 8,855. I haven't seen any numbers stating 2013 had 20% more firearm homicides.

But you are right about the generalization. So I don't know that they're quoting anymore.

Edit: Apparently gunpolicy.org got those numbers from a CDC report and, ironically the FBI Uniform crime statistics for 2011. However the FBI UCS report for 2011 states 8,583 total firearm homicides, so WTF. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-9

Edit 2: Turns out it's entirely from the CDC report, page 19.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

No time to research the validity of the findings, but why would you cite 2 sources and only quote one? Agenda much?
 
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shady28

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I don't think I've ever seen a more disgusting, more depressing display of narcissistic douchbaggery. I hope there is a line of people ready to piss on that fuckers grave.



The three found in his apartment were stabbed, just fyi.

Yeah I agree. By comparison, the Columbine killers were continuously ostracized and ridiculed in school, even by their teachers. I remember reading how people would drive by them (Walking home) and throw fountain drinks full of spit at them.

This guy though - he had every advantage and appears to have had a good life. The flaw here is with him, possibly his parents, not society.

 

spidey07

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I blame white privilege. He clearly had it. Now is the time to combat white privilege and gun violence.
 

Zaap

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Only thing I could find with for 2013 - It has gone down but that seemed low.

Notice how the original poster said specifically handgun deaths, now it's 'Gun deaths' on that.

If people are going to resort to comparing stats across 34 years, can we at least stick to comparing the same ones?

So 11k people were killed in 1980 with just handguns and now 11k people with *all* guns in 2013- seems like the trend is going down to me.
 

Zaap

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Certainly whines like a self-entitled white Christian conservatard.
Actually he sounds a lot like you class-envy whining dipshits. Just substitute his jealousy over anyone successful with women, and your ilk whining about anyone successful at making money, and the whiny, entitled, shitbagness sounds a lot the same.
 

bshole

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Actually he sounds a lot like you class-envy whining dipshits. Just substitute his jealousy over anyone successful with women, and your ilk whining about anyone successful at making money, and the whiny, entitled, shitbagness sounds a lot the same.

That was a very unkind thing to say.
 

Zaap

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That was a very unkind thing to say.

PS. If all that doesn't work, kill the rich and pillage their motherfucking estates.
You're one of the queens of whiny, revenge-fantasy, class-envy bullshit.

The main difference of course is most of you class-envy clowns just spew whiny, jealous posturing, and your threats of violence are just passive-agressive coward fantasies.

This prick took his entitled bullshit to the next level. You'll just remain sitting on your couch.
 
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