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piasabird

Lifer
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Of course a redneck might have got in his truck and commenced running them over and over and over.
 

PJABBER

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Easton is no Republican, she's a leftie (though not a loon.) Her current husband is a moderate Republican, but she appears on Fox representing the left side of the aisle. (She has also appeared on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS - she's no right winger.)

Media Matters on the other hand is a liberal group poorly masquerading as a non-partisan group to promote Democrats in general and progressives in particular. If you're looking for deception, take a good look at Media Matters. From the wiki: Media Matters for America describes itself as "a web-based, not-for-profit, progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." This is purely a progressive propaganda house, NOT a media watchdog.

Shows the difference between Maryland and Tennessee though. If an unruly mob forced its way into a private Tennessee home with only a teen-aged male, we'd be discussing the penetrating power of double ought buck and whether or not the survivors should be prosecuted.

Well, Montgomery and Prince Georges Counties, which border DC, as well as Baltimore are definitely true blue but the rest of the state reflects that it is south of the Mason Dixon line. Maryland does not incorporate the "Castle Doctrine" by statute and does have a duty-to-retreat (love that liberal concept!) but case law is that it does not apply in one's home.

Defense of Others (MPJI-Cr 5:01)

Defense of others is a defense, and the defendant must be found not guilty if all of the following four factors are present:

  • 1) The defendant actually believed that the person defended was in immediate and imminent danger of bodily harm.
  • 2) The defendant's belief was reasonable.
  • 3) The defendant used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend the person defended in light of the threatened or actual force.
  • 4) The defendant's purpose in using force was to aid the person defended.
Defense of Habitation - Deadly Force (MPJI-Cr 5:02)

Defense of one's home is a defense, and the defendant must be found not guilty if all of the following three factors are present:

  • 1) The defendant actually believed that (victim) was committing <was just about to commit> the crime of (crime) in <at> the defendant's home.
  • 2) The defendant's belief was reasonable.
  • 3) The defendant used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against the conduct of (victim).
Defense of Property - Nondeadly Force (MPJI-Cr 5:02.1)

Defense of property is a defense, and the defendant must be found not guilty if all of the following three factors are present:

  • 1) The defendant actually believed that (victim) was unlawfully interfering <was just about to unlawfully interfere> with property.
  • 2) The defendant's belief was reasonable.
  • 3) The defendant used no more force than was reasonably necessary to defend against the victim's interference with the property.
I wonder how the Baer family and all their Democrat neighbors are now going to vote in the coming elections?

A lifelong Democrat, Baer worked for the Clinton Treasury Department, and his wife, Shirley Sagawa, author of the book The American Way to Change (actually one of the top of the pile liberal handbooks for their social change agenda!) and a former adviser to Hillary Clinton, is a prominent national service advocate.

They must feel great being Democrats targeted by Democrat mobs and labor activists!

I bet they will be a lot more responsive to my "Bob Ehrlich For Governor" fund raising call than they might have been a couple of weeks ago! :awe:
 
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PJABBER

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And what did neighbor Nina Easton write in FORTUNE to gain the ire of George Soros's Media Matters propagandists?

Power Play by Nina Easton

What's really behind SEIU's Bank of America protests?


By Nina Easton
May 19, 2010: 6:15 AM ET



(Above - what Nina Easton saw happening at her neighbor's home - PJABBER)

(FORTUNE) -- Every journalist loves a peaceful protest-whether it makes news, shakes up a political season, or holds out the possibility of altering history. Then there are the ones that show up on your curb--literally.

Last Sunday, on a peaceful, sun-crisp afternoon, our toddler finally napping upstairs, my front yard exploded with 500 screaming, placard-waving strangers on a mission to intimidate my neighbor, Greg Baer. Baer is deputy general counsel for corporate law at Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500), a senior executive based in Washington, D.C. And that -- in the minds of the organizers at the politically influential Service Employees International Union and a Chicago outfit called National Political Action -- makes his family fair game.

Waving signs denouncing bank "greed," hordes of invaders poured out of 14 school buses, up Baer's steps, and onto his front porch. As bullhorns rattled with stories of debtor calls and foreclosed homes, Baer's teenage son Jack -- alone in the house -- locked himself in the bathroom. "When are they going to leave?" Jack pleaded when I called to check on him.

Baer, on his way home from a Little League game, parked his car around the corner, called the police, and made a quick calculation to leave his younger son behind while he tried to rescue his increasingly distressed teen. He made his way through a din of barked demands and insults from the activists who proudly "outed" him, and slipped through his front door.

"Excuse me," Baer told his accusers, "I need to get into the house. I have a child who is alone in there and frightened."

When is a protest not a protest?

Now this event would accurately be called a "protest" if it were taking place at, say, a bank or the U.S. Capitol. But when hundreds of loud and angry strangers are descending on your family, your children, and your home, a more apt description of this assemblage would be "mob." Intimidation was the whole point of this exercise, and it worked-even on the police. A trio of officers who belatedly answered our calls confessed a fear that arrests might "incite" these trespassers.

What's interesting is that SEIU, the nation's second largest union, craves respectability. Just-retired president Andy Stern is an Obama friend and regular White House visitor. He sits on the President's Fiscal Responsibility Commission. He hobnobs with those greedy Wall Street CEOs -- executives much higher-ranking than my neighbor Baer -- at Davos. His union spent $70 million getting Democrats elected in 2008.

In the business community, though, SEIU has a reputation for strong-arm tactics against management, prompting some companies to file suit.

Now those strong-arm tactics, stirred by supposedly free-floating (as opposed to organized) populist rage, have come to the neighborhood curb. Last year it was AIG executives -- with protestors met by security guard outside. Now it's any executive -- and they're on the front stoop. After Baer's house, the 14 buses left to descend on the nearby residence of Peter Scher, a government relations executive at JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500).

Targeting homes and families seems to put SEIU in the ranks of (now jailed) radical animal-rights activists and the Kansas anti-gay fundamentalists harassing the grieving parents of a dead 20-year-old soldier at his funeral (the Supreme Court has agreed to weigh in on the latter). But that's not a conversation that SEIU officials want to have.

When I asked Stephen Lerner, SEIU's point-person on Wall Street reform, about these tactics, he accused me of getting "emotional." Lerner was more comfortable sticking to his talking points: "Millions of people are losing their homes, and they have gone to the banks, which are turning a deaf ear."

Okay, fine, then why not continue SEIU protests at bank offices and shareholder meetings-as the union has been doing for more than a year? Lerner insists, "People in powerful corporations seem to think they can insulate themselves from the damage they are doing."

Other reasons why SEIU might protest

Bank of America officials dispute Lerner's assertion about the "damage they are doing," citing the success of workout programs to help distressed homeowners, praise received from community groups, the bank's support of financial reform legislation, and the little-noticed fact that Bank of America exited the subprime lending business in 2001.

SEIU has said it wants to organize bank tellers and call centers -- and its critics point out that a great way to worsen employee morale, thereby making workers more susceptible to union calls, is to batter a bank's image through protest. (SEIU officials say their anti-Wall Street campaign has nothing to do with their organizing efforts.) Complicating this picture is the fact that BofA is the union's lender of choice -- and SEIU, suffering financially, owes the bank nearly $4 million in interest and fees. Bank of America declined comment on the loans.

But SEIU's intentions, and BofA's lender record, are ripe subjects to debate in Congress, on air, at shareholder hearings. Not in Greg Baer's front yard.

Why the media wasn't invited

Sunday's onslaught wasn't designed for mainstream media consumption. There were no reporters from organizations like the Washington Post, no local camera crews who might have aired criticism of this private-home invasion. With the media covering the conservative Tea Party protesters, the behavior of individual activists has drawn withering scrutiny.

Instead, a friendly Huffington Post blogger showed up, narrowcasting coverage to the union's leftist base. The rest of the message these protesters brought was personal-aimed at frightening Baer and his family, not influencing a broader public.

Of course, HuffPost readers responding to the coverage assumed that Baer was an evil former Bush official. He's not. A lifelong Democrat, Baer worked for the Clinton Treasury Department, and his wife, Shirley Sagawa, author of the book The American Way to Change and a former adviser to Hillary Clinton, is a prominent national service advocate.

In the 1990s, the Baers' former bosses, Bill and Hillary Clinton, denounced the "politics of personal destruction." Today politicians and their voters of all stripes grieve the ugly bitterness that permeates our policy debates. Now, with populist rage providing a useful cover, it appears we've crossed into a new era: The politics of personal intimidation.
 
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Hacp

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I wonder what would be legal means to control that crowd. Could I spray gasoline in their general direction and threaten to light a match?
 

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Just so we get a few things straight...

Bank of America is SEIU&#8217;s lender of record, a most understanding lender that hasn&#8217;t even demanded payment of the past due $4 Million in interest and penalties SEIU owes on their past due loans of $100 Million.

Bank of America is also the lending partner for ACORN. Why am I not surprised?

As well as the lending partner to SEIU advocacy partner, The Center for Responsible Lending. (LOL, got to luv that name!)

If you need to, read that again. BofA is these idiots' corporate banker.

SEIU thugs were at this man&#8217;s home and terrorized his kid to protest the guy's employer, a "greedy" partner that they, themselves, are doing a HUGE amount of preferential business with and getting highly advantageous terms from. They were, in essence, protesting their own actions and business dealings.

How about that big bad Bank of America that Baer works for?

Bank of America quit selling sub-prime loans in 2001. That is seven years before the meltdown and foreclosure eruption.

To make matters more insane, B of A has been quite active in lobbying Democrats to pass the financial reform bill now passed in the House and Senate.

And B of A has been donating heavily to the Democrat Party.

All of which is why they are being protested by the Tea Partiers and the 912 Group. Because to fiscal conservatives, B of A is promoting socialism.

And now they are being attacked by lefty union mobs for exactly what?

Oh yeah, the biggest surprise of all, is the partnership SEIU has with The Business Roundtable, the organization that Nina's hubby did some PR consulting for one time back in the 1990's. It is aptly named the Divided We Fail Partnership. I kid you not!

Good job, Media Matters, in "outing" that connection. Not.

SEIU + ACORN + Media Matters = Idiots
 
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BoberFett

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Source PJABBER? That would actually be pretty funny if this woman had more ties to the thugs than she did the big evil bank.
 

PJABBER

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Source PJABBER? That would actually be pretty funny if this woman had more ties to the thugs than she did the big evil bank.

You mean Nina Easton? She doesn't have any "ties" to SEIU or to BofA, so far as I know. She certainly knows people at BofA other than her put upon neighbors. As the Washington Bureau Chief for FORTUNE, she does have extensive contacts not only at the highest levels of government but also at most large companies and the large unions like SEIU as these are the entities they cover.

If you watch the talking head political commentary shows, you have probably seen her. She appears quite frequently.

Here is her Wiki bio...

Nina Easton
 

Gardener

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I wonder what would be legal means to control that crowd. Could I spray gasoline in their general direction and threaten to light a match?

We have a winner in the 98lb Timothy McVeigh class.
 
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