Have High Blood Pressure?

[uberman]

Best way is to lose weight. I just lost 50 pounds in 45 days.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

that's true, but you're kinda making a big deal out of something that happens so infrequently.

Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Chiropractic is nothing more than an expensive massage.

really?

why the hell don't i know how to do massage then?

 

[dbk]

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[eits]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

that's true, but you're kinda making a big deal out of something that happens so infrequently.

Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

they're not. they're adjusting the neck specifically to alter nerve function.

i fail to see the connection between someone who treats nervous system imbalances to treat ailments in the human body with someone who tries to get you a deal on an '08 malibu.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: dbk
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haha more like a shameless psa

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Chiropractic is nothing more than an expensive massage.

I agree with Tridentboy...







WAIT WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!?!?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

they're not. they're adjusting the neck specifically to alter nerve function.

i fail to see the connection between someone who treats nervous system imbalances to treat ailments in the human body with someone who tries to get you a deal on an '08 malibu.

A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

The connection is, and you seem to agree to a limited degree, that a car salesperson is probably trying to screw you out of money by lying to you, and I feel the same is true of a random chiropractor.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
here we go again.

the fact is chiropractic is 1 or 2 steps above voodoo. Pure quackery with the placebo effect.

and don't try arguing with me or trying to convince me I'm wrong with quotes of testimonials or other (mis)information because it won't change my opinion.

don't worry, i won't. i will tell you that the placebo effect wears off after about 15 days and doesn't tend to return.

and don't call your illogical rantings "facts". you make yourself look like a moron.

let me try this:

Honestly, why haven't we just had sex yet?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

they're not. they're adjusting the neck specifically to alter nerve function.

i fail to see the connection between someone who treats nervous system imbalances to treat ailments in the human body with someone who tries to get you a deal on an '08 malibu.

A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

The connection is, and you seem to agree to a limited degree, that a car salesperson is probably trying to screw you out of money by lying to you, and I feel the same is true of a random chiropractor.

what???

care to explain that one to me?

you're right about that connection, except for the fact that most chiropractors aren't out to do that and it doesn't define the profession, whereas a car salesman's job is to sell. a chiropractor's career is built on treating ailments.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
here we go again.

the fact is chiropractic is 1 or 2 steps above voodoo. Pure quackery with the placebo effect.

and don't try arguing with me or trying to convince me I'm wrong with quotes of testimonials or other (mis)information because it won't change my opinion.

Misalignment of the vertebrae/joints is nothing new. I don't see how putting things back where they are supposed to be to is pure quackery and placebo effect.

Enjoy your expensive surgeries and drugs to fix your pain. I'll go to a trusted chiropractor for it and save a buttload of money and be in better shape

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

they're not. they're adjusting the neck specifically to alter nerve function.

i fail to see the connection between someone who treats nervous system imbalances to treat ailments in the human body with someone who tries to get you a deal on an '08 malibu.

A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

The connection is, and you seem to agree to a limited degree, that a car salesperson is probably trying to screw you out of money by lying to you, and I feel the same is true of a random chiropractor.

what???

care to explain that one to me?

Sorry, I was confusing them with veins. No coffee. But the procedure is intended to alter blood flow, which has nothing to do with nerves. Thus my confusion when you mentioned nerves.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: torpid
A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

*facepalm*

Education fail. Based on this new level of ignorance, I have to stop the fight. *raises eits' arm*

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

they're not. they're adjusting the neck specifically to alter nerve function.

i fail to see the connection between someone who treats nervous system imbalances to treat ailments in the human body with someone who tries to get you a deal on an '08 malibu.

A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

The connection is, and you seem to agree to a limited degree, that a car salesperson is probably trying to screw you out of money by lying to you, and I feel the same is true of a random chiropractor.

what???

care to explain that one to me?

Sorry, I was confusing them with veins. No coffee. But the procedure is intended to alter blood flow, which has nothing to do with nerves. Thus my confusion when you mentioned nerves.

no, the procedure is intended to alter nerve function. not blood flow.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: torpid
A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

*facepalm*

Education fail. Based on this new level of ignorance, I have to stop the fight. *raises eits' arm*

See my post above. I assumed he meant veins and had a brain eye disconnect. It makes no logical sense that adjusting a nerve affects the flow of blood. Even the linked article indicated that it was not just nerves...

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Chiropractic is nothing more than an expensive massage.

I agree with Tridentboy...







WAIT WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!?!?

Can't have that, now can we?

Besides, having known both Chiropractors and Masseuses, I can tell you that TB knows nothing of either profession simply because he tries to equate them as such. Each has a VERY different purpose, approach, training, accreditation, etc. and treat completely different things.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

they're not. they're adjusting the neck specifically to alter nerve function.

i fail to see the connection between someone who treats nervous system imbalances to treat ailments in the human body with someone who tries to get you a deal on an '08 malibu.

A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

The connection is, and you seem to agree to a limited degree, that a car salesperson is probably trying to screw you out of money by lying to you, and I feel the same is true of a random chiropractor.

what???

care to explain that one to me?

Sorry, I was confusing them with veins. No coffee. But the procedure is intended to alter blood flow, which has nothing to do with nerves. Thus my confusion when you mentioned nerves.

no, the procedure is intended to alter nerve function. not blood flow.

Then it is mere coincidence that it affects blood flow? More proof that chiropractors base their techniques off guesswork.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

I have been to a chiropractor a few times. They all did wonders with my back issues and ALL of them felt compelled to adjust my neck and hurt me.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

they're not. they're adjusting the neck specifically to alter nerve function.

i fail to see the connection between someone who treats nervous system imbalances to treat ailments in the human body with someone who tries to get you a deal on an '08 malibu.

A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

The connection is, and you seem to agree to a limited degree, that a car salesperson is probably trying to screw you out of money by lying to you, and I feel the same is true of a random chiropractor.

what???

care to explain that one to me?

Sorry, I was confusing them with veins. No coffee. But the procedure is intended to alter blood flow, which has nothing to do with nerves. Thus my confusion when you mentioned nerves.

no, the procedure is intended to alter nerve function. not blood flow.

Then it is mere coincidence that it affects blood flow? More proof that chiropractors base their techniques off guesswork.

what do nerves control?

hint: "every organ in your body"

do me a favor... do a google search on the vagus nerve... also look up the vagus nerve ganglion. try and make the correlation between adjusting the top of your neck and the vagus nerve as it pertains to lowering blood pressure.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
here we go again.

the fact is chiropractic is 1 or 2 steps above voodoo. Pure quackery with the placebo effect.

and don't try arguing with me or trying to convince me I'm wrong with quotes of testimonials or other (mis)information because it won't change my opinion.

Misalignment of the vertebrae/joints is nothing new. I don't see how putting things back where they are supposed to be to is pure quackery and placebo effect.

Enjoy your expensive surgeries and drugs to fix your pain. I'll go to a trusted chiropractor for it and save a buttload of money and be in better shape

Same here. I've always had access to Chiropractic care due to my parents' own back issues. They really also helped to reduce a lot of pain/discomfort after my auto accident. You just have to keep in mind what Chiropractic is supposed to treat instead of the cure-all snakeoil that some have portrayed it to be.

Unfortunately my fiancée is one of those that thinks they are quacks because that is what her parents taught her. That, and she spent a lot of time in hospitals when she was younger due to various medical conditions. (The AMA propaganda still persists amongst parts of the medical community)

I'll get her to go one day as she probably needs it. She has many symptoms of back/neck pain that I simply no longer have because of semi-regular adjustments. You'd think that she was breaking limbs the way she pops her neck on a regular basis, something I never have the need to do anymore.

 

[Turin39789]

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no.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

I have been to a chiropractor a few times. They all did wonders with my back issues and ALL of them felt compelled to adjust my neck and hurt me.

QFT. I had paralysis in my left hand from a chiropratic visit that required me going to a real doctor to get fixed through surgery. :beer: for chiropractors with supposedly "great" reputations.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

I have been to a chiropractor a few times. They all did wonders with my back issues and ALL of them felt compelled to adjust my neck and hurt me.

Just like with any doctor, you can refuse treatment. If you have a serious neck issue (to where you have had screws/implant or other surgery or whatnot), then most won't even think about it. My parents go for lower back issues, but won't let the chiropractor adjust the neck for that same reason. Just be up front and frank about it. If they try to force the issue after that, find another one to take yourself to. Don't deny yourself the care that you do find beneficial just because of that...You wouldn't for a medical doctor...

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Makes some sense. But I am still never, ever, ever going to let a random chiropractor adjust anything near my neck. It would require detailed research before I would even begin to trust a chiropractor with my neck.

why?

Because not all chiropractors know what the hell they are doing, and neck adjustments can lead to serious injury in the hands of quacks.

I have been to a chiropractor a few times. They all did wonders with my back issues and ALL of them felt compelled to adjust my neck and hurt me.

QFT. I had paralysis in my left hand from a chiropratic visit that required me going to a real doctor to get fixed through surgery. :beer: for chiropractors with supposedly "great" reputations.

Hmmm...what was the damage that the surgery corrected? (out of curiosity)

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: torpid
Considering they are adjusting the neck specifically to alter how it affects certain blood vessels, I think there is probably a higher chance of injury when adjusting a neck to affect blood pressure than there would be otherwise. And in any case, my default assumption about chiropractors is that they are not to be trusted with my neck. Similarly, there are certainly some really good car salespeople out there, but I distrust them by default.

they're not. they're adjusting the neck specifically to alter nerve function.

i fail to see the connection between someone who treats nervous system imbalances to treat ailments in the human body with someone who tries to get you a deal on an '08 malibu.

A nerve is a type of blood vessel.

Altering nerve function = altering blood vessels.

The connection is, and you seem to agree to a limited degree, that a car salesperson is probably trying to screw you out of money by lying to you, and I feel the same is true of a random chiropractor.

what???

care to explain that one to me?

Sorry, I was confusing them with veins. No coffee. But the procedure is intended to alter blood flow, which has nothing to do with nerves. Thus my confusion when you mentioned nerves.

no, the procedure is intended to alter nerve function. not blood flow.

Then it is mere coincidence that it affects blood flow? More proof that chiropractors base their techniques off guesswork.

what do nerves control?

hint: "every organ in your body"

do me a favor... do a google search on the vagus nerve... also look up the vagus nerve ganglion. try and make the correlation between adjusting the top of your neck and the vagus nerve as it pertains to lowering blood pressure.

I will. Now you do me a favor and provide a link that supports your statement, since the link you posted in your OP clearly indicates that it is more than nerves affected by this adjustment.