Have High Blood Pressure?

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: eits

Chiro should never be the first line of treatment for illness. But lots of patients end up going to chiropractors for things that can be properly treated w/ traditional medicine. It's a problem when unscupulous chiropractors try to treat more than what evidence based medicine suggests and get in the way of proper medical treatment. Patients end up substituting chiropractics for essential allopathic treatment rather than simply using it as a complement. That's not good.

i believe the contrary to be true. a chiropractor should be the first choice. if it's not a problem chiropractic can fix, seek medical attention.[/quote]

<Cut out some of the nested quote bullshit....>

I'm a believer in chiropractic for SOME things.

No, I don't believe all the bullshit that many "crackers" claim that chiropractic can cure, but back pain in many cases CAN be treated by a series of adjustments and therapy.

For many things, seeing a chiro before a regular doctor makes good sense. MOST doctors will only prescribe pain meds for back pain without trying to treat the underlying cause of the pain. Yes, if it's bad enough, they may send you for x-rays, MRI's, and even CT scans, then to a neurosurgeon for treatment, but if it's that bad, so will most chiropractors.

I had one chiro for several years, and when my back finally went to shit, he was the first to recommend that I see a MD to get an MRI, then when the results came in, he also said, "I can't help with this. You need a neurosurgeon."

IMO, there are a lot of quacks in the medical professions, chiropractors and MDs with lots of cute little letters after their names. IMO, most are REALLY only interested in one thing...making money off of your misery.

 

[BornStarlet]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BornStarlet
I'm going to make a few medical points here and not use any naughty words...
1. chronic pain can cause hypertension, and the study was done in people suffering from hypertension AND neck pain.
2. The vagus nerve is a cranial nerve not a spinal nerve and should not be affected by a spinal misalignment.
3. 25 people followed for 8 weeks is a good pilot group, but not enough to make me change my practice.
4. The article you cited states:
"Johnson said people with neck pain and hypertension should visit their primary care physician first and not substitute the doctor's visit with a trip to the chiropractor."
which I believe is the important point to remember here. If you trust your chiropractor not to mess up your neck and why to try it go ahead, but you better still take your HCTZ/ACE-I/B-Blocker until your BP is controlled....

about #2, the vagus ganglion is at c1-2 area. also, it travels along cervical spine.

i agree with the rest... except i have some reservations about #4... not many, though.

Whenever I've seen it in the OR, it runs pretty lateral and anterior to the spine, near the carotid.... I mean we don't get too close to the spine during a thyroidectomy...

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: EGGO
Didn't Penn and Teller call bullshit on Chiropractic medicine?

I'm sure you would trust their legal advice just as much... Seriously? Penn and Teller?

Actually, they only called bullshit on the "I can cure everything!" ones.

Oh yeah that's right *just watched it again*

Yes MovingTarget, Penn and Teller. Their show Bullsh t is pretty good.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BornStarlet
I'm going to make a few medical points here and not use any naughty words...
1. chronic pain can cause hypertension, and the study was done in people suffering from hypertension AND neck pain.
2. The vagus nerve is a cranial nerve not a spinal nerve and should not be affected by a spinal misalignment.
3. 25 people followed for 8 weeks is a good pilot group, but not enough to make me change my practice.
4. The article you cited states:
"Johnson said people with neck pain and hypertension should visit their primary care physician first and not substitute the doctor's visit with a trip to the chiropractor."
which I believe is the important point to remember here. If you trust your chiropractor not to mess up your neck and why to try it go ahead, but you better still take your HCTZ/ACE-I/B-Blocker until your BP is controlled....

about #2, the vagus ganglion is at c1-2 area. also, it travels along cervical spine.

i agree with the rest... except i have some reservations about #4... not many, though.

Proper medical advice fail. If you're going to serve your customers fine, but please do not harm the MD-patient relationship by telling them you have reservations about what traditional medicine does. It's when you alternative medicine people start telling uninformed patients whtaever you want that we have lack of proper continuity and followup in medicine

Could you elaborate on this point? If your BP is controlled already by medicines, then you would have no way of knowing if the chiropractic technique is working without going off the meds afterwards. I'm assuming you mean if you are on BP meds and they AREN'T keeping it under total control, then it is dangerous to stop taking them unless advised to do so by the same doctor who prescribed them?

Chiro should never be the first line of treatment for illness. But lots of patients end up going to chiropractors for things that can be properly treated w/ traditional medicine. It's a problem when unscupulous chiropractors try to treat more than what evidence based medicine suggests and get in the way of proper medical treatment. Patients end up substituting chiropractics for essential allopathic treatment rather than simply using it as a complement. That's not good.

i believe the contrary to be true. a chiropractor should be the first choice. if it's not a problem chiropractic can fix, seek medical attention.

I guess this is pretty fundamental difference in health care philosophy between you and me

and that's totally cool.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: BornStarlet

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: BornStarlet
I'm going to make a few medical points here and not use any naughty words...
1. chronic pain can cause hypertension, and the study was done in people suffering from hypertension AND neck pain.
2. The vagus nerve is a cranial nerve not a spinal nerve and should not be affected by a spinal misalignment.
3. 25 people followed for 8 weeks is a good pilot group, but not enough to make me change my practice.
4. The article you cited states:
"Johnson said people with neck pain and hypertension should visit their primary care physician first and not substitute the doctor's visit with a trip to the chiropractor."
which I believe is the important point to remember here. If you trust your chiropractor not to mess up your neck and why to try it go ahead, but you better still take your HCTZ/ACE-I/B-Blocker until your BP is controlled....

about #2, the vagus ganglion is at c1-2 area. also, it travels along cervical spine.

i agree with the rest... except i have some reservations about #4... not many, though.

Whenever I've seen it in the OR, it runs pretty lateral and anterior to the spine, near the carotid.... I mean we don't get too close to the spine during a thyroidectomy...

yeah, it runs in the carotid sheath (which is why you don't palpate a pulse bilaterally at the same time, or else you can make someone pass out... and a big reason why the reason why the sleeper hold works... etc.). i didn't mean that it literally travels along the spine. i just meant that you can affect it from the neck.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Found it:

repost

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=88&threadid=2153492

awesome post

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: EGGO
Didn't Penn and Teller call bullshit on Chiropractic medicine?

I'm sure you would trust their legal advice just as much... Seriously? Penn and Teller?

Actually, they only called bullshit on the "I can cure everything!" ones.

word. anyone who claims that is full of shit and dangerous.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Chiropractic is like man made global warming. They are both bullshit.

you know what's bullshit? your inability to use common sense, yet you're a moderator.

You fail, yet again. :roll:
But then failing at life is something you excel at.

 

[dquan97]

My experience w/ chiro: 0/1

Went in to support my wife, who was having back pain. Chiro offered to examine/treat me too even though I didn't have any ailments to complain about. He reported tense muscles and recommended that I come in 2x/week at $70/week or prepay $2k for 1yr. Didn't go back after that. Didn't feel any different before and after treatment. Wife went back a few times and he only spent (at most) 5mins per treatment...typical? Can't believe we paid $70/week for 10mins total of treatment.

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: dquan97
My experience w/ chiro: 0/1

Went in to support my wife, who was having back pain. Chiro offered to examine/treat me too even though I didn't have any ailments to complain about. He reported tense muscles and recommended that I come in 2x/week at $70/week or prepay $2k for 1yr. Didn't go back after that. Didn't feel any different before and after treatment. Wife went back a few times and he only spent (at most) 5mins per treatment...typical? Can't believe we paid $70/week for 10mins total of treatment.

I guess I am lucky since one of my best friends is a chiropractor and I get at least 15 minutes (his other patients must also since I wait a while in the waiting room).

He told me to visit once a month if I had time. Really helped me when I had a sore pelvis.......... from playing goalie.

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[jagec]

Here's my quick, fun, effective, and FREE cure for high blood pressure: (1)Eat decent food, (2)Go skiing/hiking/kayaking/biking on the weekends, (3)Stop stressing out over things which don't matter, you can't change, or which you're already doing your best at.

Side effects are experienced by a majority of patients and tend to be fairly major, but they are all positive.

 

[LS8]

According to the Quaker Oats Company if you eat their product for 30 days your blood pressure will drop...

 

[olds]

Fish Oil, FTW

 

[RichardE]

Not sure about blood pressure, but..


The doctor wanted me to go in for surgery for a nerve near my neck that was causing me massive headaches every day for about 6 months. I tried a chiropractor first. One session later I am headache free.

He keeps telling me I need to come back, because it might return, which I understand, but, as long as I'm pain free I avoid medications, therapy, and even chiropractors

 

[ja1484]

Requires much MUCH more research.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Chiropractic is like man made global warming. They are both bullshit.

you know what's bullshit? your inability to use common sense, yet you're a moderator.

You fail, yet again. :roll:
But then failing at life is something you excel at.

you're not a mod anymore? thank God...

sorry, i haven't been on the forums nearly as much as you... i have a life to worry about.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: jagec
Here's my quick, fun, effective, and FREE cure for high blood pressure: (1)Eat decent food, (2)Go skiing/hiking/kayaking/biking on the weekends, (3)Stop stressing out over things which don't matter, you can't change, or which you're already doing your best at.

Side effects are experienced by a majority of patients and tend to be fairly major, but they are all positive.

haha :thumbsup:

i wish that worked for everyone with high blood pressure

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Not sure about blood pressure, but..


The doctor wanted me to go in for surgery for a nerve near my neck that was causing me massive headaches every day for about 6 months. I tried a chiropractor first. One session later I am headache free.

He keeps telling me I need to come back, because it might return, which I understand, but, as long as I'm pain free I avoid medications, therapy, and even chiropractors

it's a structural maintenance issue. if you want to keep it from coming back suddenly and having to deal with it and scheduling an appt and whatnot, it's easier just to come in once a month or two to keep it in check.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Requires much MUCH more research.

:roll: only because it doesn't fit in your closed-minded paradigm

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: EGGO
Didn't Penn and Teller call bullshit on Chiropractic medicine?

I'm sure you would trust their legal advice just as much... Seriously? Penn and Teller?

Actually, they only called bullshit on the "I can cure everything!" ones.

Oh yeah that's right *just watched it again*

Yes MovingTarget, Penn and Teller. Their show Bullsh t is pretty good.

Well, I didn't even know about that particular show they had until it was mentioned. I don't watch too much tv. Besides, if they were just going off on the "I can cure everything" guys, then I don't really have a problem with that.