Ultimately people have the freedom to make a choice, regardless if that choice will kill them.
And if that choice kills other people?
Hospital can use triage protocol if necessary.Do they have the right to essentially unlimited extraordinary medical care at the expense of people with better odds of survival from correctable problems?
All the disbelievers probably should not be going to the hospital if they really want us to take them seriously.
Just the price we pay for freedumb.And if that choice kills other people?
Yeah, the World Health Organization is really pressing on 1st world countries to *not* give booster shots, and focus instead on helping get the rest of the world shots in the arm. In a way, I agree, getting more people overall vaccinated on the planet will do more good to slow the spread of the disease and minimize the chance of newer vaccine resistant variants being introduced in populations with low vaccination rates. As shouldn't be surprising, many 1st world countries are going "nah dog".
WHO Weighs In On Countries Offering A Booster Shot
NPR's Leila Fadel talks with Dr. Margaret Harris, spokesperson for the World Health Organization, about the organization's position on booster shots.www.npr.org
[/QUOTE]That is what freedom is ultimately all about even if that action can kill someone else. Smoking can kill other people but for the most part people can still smoke.
That is what freedom is ultimately all about even if that action can kill someone else. Smoking can kill other people but for the most part people can still smoke.
Except that driving is a privilege. When i was born i don't remember having to sign an agreement.I would compare not getting the vaccine to drunk driving. You might choose to drive drunk and wrap yourself around a tree but there's also the chance you take out a van of immunocompromised people.
Apartment and 2nd hand smoke. In many rentals you can still smoke and there is nothing other tenants can do except to move.An argument from the high pedestal of utter stupidity...
And they are segregated to an area away from other people, you stupid motherfucker. Marlboro country in the workplace is somewhere outside the back door, you can't just smoke anywhere, they are a threat, and they are shunned to "smoking areas for the mentally handicapped".
Additionally, 15 minutes in the presence of a smoker will not harm you, other than you are likely to fucking stink like a smoker, 15 minutes in the presence of someone with COVID and your ass may well be in the morgue in a week or two.
Please go outside and apologize to a tree for wasting the oxygen it generated to keep your stupid fucking ass alive.
Except that driving is a privilege. When i was born i don't remember having to sign an agreement.
Apartment and 2nd hand smoke. In many rentals you can still smoke and there is nothing other tenants can do except to move.
Let’s see, I do risk analysis these days. Which is more risk to the health and safety of my 11.5 year old.I believe the FDA said not to provide the Pfizer vaccine off label to under 12, which I I don't think is legally binding but will probably be enough to dissuade most doctors from doing it. I do think that given what we know parents who want to have their 5-11s vaccinated with 10mcg of Pfizer/BNT should have an avenue to do so at this point.
No smoking couldn't be banned by landlords until 2012 in Los Angeles. Many places in US do not have ban on smoking in apartment.Where the hell do you rent from?
I have not seen a smoking inside is allowed rental in probably two decades.
Yeah there are some shitty rentals that are close to room rentals that allow it however those are super bottom barrel rentals.
An argument from the high pedestal of utter stupidity...
And they are segregated to an area away from other people, you stupid motherfucker. Marlboro country in the workplace is somewhere outside the back door, you can't just smoke anywhere, they are a threat, and they are shunned to "smoking areas for the mentally handicapped".
Additionally, 15 minutes in the presence of a smoker will not harm you, other than you are likely to fucking stink like a smoker, 15 minutes in the presence of someone with COVID and your ass may well be in the morgue in a week or two.
Please go outside and apologize to a tree for wasting the oxygen it generated to keep your stupid fucking ass alive.
Wait wait wait, I thought I was the only one in here that was the stupid mother fucking dumbass wasting a trees oxygen?
And really, all persons who may have covid will put you in the ground no matter what just being around that person for a little bit, like 15 minutes? Please, oh smart one, what science did you read again that says if I choose not the get the vax yet, being close to another for just 15 min will kill them no matter what, or their age? Did not science say chances of pulling through are very high as the age is lower and no other health problems to cause covid to be worse/death for a person?
I am the one called stupid, and freaking out, but this "norm" is not when they think if a un vaxed person is near them for as little as 15 min, they will be killed by that person 100%
Can I come give you a kiss? Tongue, no tongue, your choice
Science says if I am near a un vaxed I will die. Science says you can still get it and pass on if vaxed, so how may you know if that person you was near for as little as 15 min was not vaxed? Did you ask before going into the closet, if they were vaxed, or not, or if they knew they were going in having said virus but decided to kill a ton of people in that room, for they are all going to die, once you get it, thats it, life is over, no pulling out now (what your parents should of done too for now YOU may kill someone vaxed or not)
Let’s see, I do risk analysis these days. Which is more risk to the health and safety of my 11.5 year old.
Attending school for another six months while our Governor and school board actively preventing schools from protecting our kids from COVID by banning masks mandates.
The marginal risk increase from taking the Pfizer vaccine 6 months early on kid who already is within the weight bounds of a 12 year old.
Hmm….
I hope they approve the 5-11 vaccine soon.
Let’s see, I do risk analysis these days. Which is more risk to the health and safety of my 11.5 year old.
Attending school for another six months while our Governor and school board actively preventing schools from protecting our kids from COVID by banning masks mandates.
The marginal risk increase from taking the Pfizer vaccine 6 months early on kid who already is within the weight bounds of a 12 year old.
Hmm….
I hope they approve the 5-11 vaccine soon.
Exactly. If they take another year to approve the vaccines and 100,000 people die people won't blame the FDA. If they approve it tomorrow and 10 people die from it the FDA will be crucified.I think the problem is that the agency's incentives simply line up too strongly on the side of not doing anything to take a clear view of the actual risks.
No one has died due to a 15-minute exposed to a smoker.Wait wait wait, I thought I was the only one in here that was the stupid mother fucking dumbass wasting a trees oxygen?
And really, all persons who may have covid will put you in the ground no matter what just being around that person for a little bit, like 15 minutes? Please, oh smart one, what science did you read again that says if I choose not the get the vax yet, being close to another for just 15 min will kill them no matter what, or their age? Did not science say chances of pulling through are very high as the age is lower and no other health problems to cause covid to be worse/death for a person?
I am the one called stupid, and freaking out, but this "norm" is not when they think if a un vaxed person is near them for as little as 15 min, they will be killed by that person 100%
Can I come give you a kiss? Tongue, no tongue, your choice
Science says if I am near a un vaxed I will die. Science says you can still get it and pass on if vaxed, so how may you know if that person you was near for as little as 15 min was not vaxed? Did you ask before going into the closet, if they were vaxed, or not, or if they knew they were going in having said virus but decided to kill a ton of people in that room, for they are all going to die, once you get it, thats it, life is over, no pulling out now (what your parents should of done too for now YOU may kill someone vaxed or not)
I would have to disagree with your belief that most apartment's don't ban smoking. The majority do across the nation. Also, unless the rentals are on the same HVAC system, or same air filtration system, the only people effected by second hand smoke are the people who live in the same apartment/rental. Very, very few rentals share HVAC systems or air filtration systems.. basically, I am saying your argument is bunk!No smoking couldn't be banned by landlords until 2012 in Los Angeles. Many places in US do not have ban on smoking in apartment.
Local news did a nice piece on OR vaccine mandates and how the "medical exemption" and "religious exemptions" work in OR and WA. It's most certainly not a claim exemption, get out of vaccine kinda thing. There's an actual exemption waiver you need to submit based on which exemption you are declaring. Each waiver is reviewed by a real person and vetted. If you claim medical exemption you need a written addendum completed by a physician with specific diagnoses and reasons why the vaccine is unsafe for you. If the review board smells bullshit they'll deny you.
On the religious side it's even more up to the state. If you can't make a pretty good case, you are going to get rejected. In WA they are going so far as making a box on the religious form asking if you have any other vaccines that you have received (MMR, chicken pox, tetnus, ect). They will review that and if you have got other vaccines previously you are probably going to get denied.
Yeah, the World Health Organization is really pressing on 1st world countries to *not* give booster shots, and focus instead on helping get the rest of the world shots in the arm. In a way, I agree, getting more people overall vaccinated on the planet will do more good to slow the spread of the disease and minimize the chance of newer vaccine resistant variants being introduced in populations with low vaccination rates. As shouldn't be surprising, many 1st world countries are going "nah dog".
WHO Weighs In On Countries Offering A Booster Shot
NPR's Leila Fadel talks with Dr. Margaret Harris, spokesperson for the World Health Organization, about the organization's position on booster shots.www.npr.org
the freedom to do absolutely whatever you want is anarchy.
we accept some limits on freedoms in order to live in a society.
Great line from the video when talking about the girl going against her mom to get vaccinated:this NYT Opinion video is great...but also heartbreaking