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woolfe9998

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Well, it's no wonder the Moderna vaccine is showing better longevity than Pjizer. Moderna's vaccine is a 100mg while Pfizer is using 30 mg. That is why the Pfizer is being used for the 5-12 year olds.

Each dose of Pfizer’s contains 30 micrograms of vaccine. Moderna went with a much larger dose of vaccine, 100 micrograms. It means the company is using a little more than three times as much vaccine per person as Pfizer is. While Moderna’s initial results didn’t seem to justify the much larger dose, data suggest the protection the company’s vaccine generates is declining at a slower rate than Pfizer’s is; some experts believe the higher dose may be at least partially responsible.


Since you can mix and match with the booster shots, I'm going with Moderna when I get the booster next week.

Regarding arm pain, that is caused by the needle, not the vaccine. It is significantly less if you keep your muscle relaxed and don't tense up at the moment of injection. I tensed at my first dose and had significant arm pain for 4 days. With the second, I kept it relaxed and had minor pain for one day.
 

fskimospy

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Well, it's no wonder the Moderna vaccine is showing better longevity than Pjizer. Moderna's vaccine is a 100mg while Pfizer is using 30 mg. That is why the Pfizer is being used for the 5-12 year olds.




Since you can mix and match with the booster shots, I'm going with Moderna when I get the booster next week.

Regarding arm pain, that is caused by the needle, not the vaccine. It is significantly less if you keep your muscle relaxed and don't tense up at the moment of injection. I tensed at my first dose and had significant arm pain for 4 days. With the second, I kept it relaxed and had minor pain for one day.
I’m not so sure it’s caused by the needle, I’m pretty sure it’s caused by the immune response. I’ve had more needles stuck in my arms than probably 90% of this board and some cause arm pain and some don’t.
 

dullard

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I’m not so sure it’s caused by the needle, I’m pretty sure it’s caused by the immune response. I’ve had more needles stuck in my arms than probably 90% of this board and some cause arm pain and some don’t.
I think it is both. You are correct that lot of the pain is inflammation caused by the immune response at the injection site.

But also it is the fact that you have a hole in your muscle. With Covid vaccines specifically, in order to get all the vaccines out quickly there was a wide variety of needles used. Some people got the pediatric needle with a tiny hole (25 gauge, 5/8" long), others got a larger needle (22 gauge 1.5" long). It is supposed to vary with weight and gender. But, a what most people got was just based on availability at the moment.

I have many more vaccines than the average person. Travelling a lot and working in health-related fields. I take any vaccine I can get.
 
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fskimospy

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I think it is both. You are correct that lot of the pain is inflammation caused by the immune response at the injection site.

But also it is the fact that you have a hole in your muscle. With Covid vaccines specifically, in order to get all the vaccines out quickly there was a wide variety of needles used. Some people got the pediatric needle with a tiny hole (25 gauge, 5/8" long), others got a larger needle (22 gauge 1.5" long). It is supposed to vary with weight and gender. But, a what most people got was just based on availability at the moment.

I too have many more vaccines than the average person. Travelling a lot and working in health-related fields. I take any vaccine I can get.
Oh I meant I had cancer in 2008 and spent a couple weeks in the hospital which led to a lot of various pokes and prods.

Anyways though sure, any injection will lead to some pain because yes, you’re being injured. In my experience at least though arm pain is significantly different based on what you’re being injected with.
 

dullard

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Oh I meant I had cancer in 2008 and spent a couple weeks in the hospital which led to a lot of various pokes and prods.
I just assumed you were talking about vaccines. I hope that everything is in remission for you!
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Oh I meant I had cancer in 2008 and spent a couple weeks in the hospital which led to a lot of various pokes and prods.

Anyways though sure, any injection will lead to some pain because yes, you’re being injured. In my experience at least though arm pain is significantly different based on what you’re being injected with.

An intravenous injection should only cause pain at the time of injection, not lingering pain. The vaccines, however, are intramuscular and the needle does damage the muscle. This was explained to me by the helpful nurse who gave me my second dose. That is why relaxation of the muscle is important. Because a tensed muscle is denser and the needle damage is greater.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Regarding arm pain, that is caused by the needle, not the vaccine. It is significantly less if you keep your muscle relaxed and don't tense up at the moment of injection. I tensed at my first dose and had significant arm pain for 4 days. With the second, I kept it relaxed and had minor pain for one day.

I have barely even felt the needle in my COVID shots but did get a bit of soreness at the injection site for shots #2 and #3.
 

MtnMan

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I've had 3 Pfizer jabs and a flu shot this year. Nothing more than a tender area in the arm for each. None would have made me consider taking a sick day if I still worked.

I suspect that anytime anything is injected into a muscle, it's going to be tender for a day or so.
 
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ondma

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I think it is both. You are correct that lot of the pain is inflammation caused by the immune response at the injection site.

But also it is the fact that you have a hole in your muscle. With Covid vaccines specifically, in order to get all the vaccines out quickly there was a wide variety of needles used. Some people got the pediatric needle with a tiny hole (25 gauge, 5/8" long), others got a larger needle (22 gauge 1.5" long). It is supposed to vary with weight and gender. But, a what most people got was just based on availability at the moment.

I have many more vaccines than the average person. Travelling a lot and working in health-related fields. I take any vaccine I can get.
Wow, 22 gauge is pretty big. I think mine must have been 25 gauge for all the shots. I hardly felt it at all when the needle went in for any of them. Even the vaccine itself going in was less painful than a regular flu shot.

Edit: I worked my entire career in medical research, so I know what a 22 gauge needle is. I cant imagine that sucker not hurting when it went in.
 
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ondma

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Netherlands shows the way.

Hard lockdown. For the antiwaxxers.

Yea, I have to laugh at the anti vaxxers who claim the vaccine doesnt work because we have so many cases now compared to before the vaccine. I just want to say "Well, lets shut down like before and see how many cases we have."

I have to admit that I am somewhat surprised by the number of breakthrough cases, but nothing is 100% effective. My sister in law just got a breakthrough case after being double vaccinated, but had not gotten the booster, for which she was eligible. Of course, she got infected from a non-immunized family member who was sick but didnt bother to get tested.

She has mild symptoms (intermittent fever, runny nose) but seems to be doing ok.
 

Jaskalas

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I have to admit that I am somewhat surprised by the number of breakthrough cases, but nothing is 100% effective.

Batting 2/2 for breakthrough cases in this house. Both very mild.

Delta multiplies too fast to prevent all illness. Immune system just isn't that fast. First several months following a Vaccine is going to provide a much better outcome. After that though.... antibody levels fall off and the immune system relies more on T cell memory. Unfortunately T cells take too long to ramp up antibody production VS Delta's rapid growth. It is a race the body struggles to win, and a lot of people will need all the help they can get. Including staying "current" on vaccinations. Because it is all about maintaining a solid antibody level VS Delta.

What makes COVID so dangerous is the speed at which it attacks. Delta is roughly twice as fast as the original strain.
 

H T C

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Batting 2/2 for breakthrough cases in this house. Both very mild.

Delta multiplies too fast to prevent all illness. Immune system just isn't that fast. First several months following a Vaccine is going to provide a much better outcome. After that though.... antibody levels fall off and the immune system relies more on T cell memory. Unfortunately T cells take too long to ramp up antibody production VS Delta's rapid growth. It is a race the body struggles to win, and a lot of people will need all the help they can get. Including staying "current" on vaccinations. Because it is all about maintaining a solid antibody level VS Delta.

What makes COVID so dangerous is the speed at which it attacks. Delta is roughly twice as fast as the original strain.

Despite having a very high vaccination rate, Portugal is already experiencing higher than 1st wave number of daily infections. However, and to prove the worth of the vaccines, we are having about 3/11 of the hospitalized, about 1/4 of the ICU occupation and about 2/9 the fatalities VS the 1st wave.

Specialists are warning we'll have over 2K average daily cases by December, if not sooner, calling it "the 5th wave of COVID". Booster shot for those most vulnerable is underway but, because Portugal REALLY started vaccinating @ around June (2nd dose), this means booster shots can only be MOSTLY administered from December on: my parents for example (both in their 70s) can only apply for their booster shots in January because they got their 2nd dose in July and protocol dictates 6 months AFTER 2nd dose.
 

UNCjigga

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Europe seems to have gotten hit with a new variant in the past few weeks—something like a Delta+. My wife’s friend in Germany is due to fly back to the US for holidays soon and is quite worried about a potential travel ban.
 

cytg111

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Yea, I have to laugh at the anti vaxxers who claim the vaccine doesnt work because we have so many cases now compared to before the vaccine. I just want to say "Well, lets shut down like before and see how many cases we have."

I have to admit that I am somewhat surprised by the number of breakthrough cases, but nothing is 100% effective. My sister in law just got a breakthrough case after being double vaccinated, but had not gotten the booster, for which she was eligible. Of course, she got infected from a non-immunized family member who was sick but didnt bother to get tested.

She has mild symptoms (intermittent fever, runny nose) but seems to be doing ok.
Yea, that's the thing, I guess we're all gonna catch it sooner or later if it's really here to stay-stay, difference is with the vax it wont kill us, we'll those mild symptoms and then back to normal.
I hope they're still developing on those vaccines, I want one that is 200% breakthrough proof .
 
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cytg111

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Europe seems to have gotten hit with a new variant in the past few weeks—something like a Delta+. My wife’s friend in Germany is due to fly back to the US for holidays soon and is quite worried about a potential travel ban.

GOD DAMN IT


AY.4.2 : FUCK YOU.

"Francois Balloux, director of the University College London’s Genetics Institute, has estimated AY.4.2 could be up to 10 per cent more transmissible than the original Delta variant. "

"
“We don’t really know what that advantage is, and hopefully it’s not evading fully vaccinated individuals’ immune systems,” said Stephen Hoption Cann, an infectious disease specialist at the University of British Columbia.
That’s what we’re most concerned about.
"

edit: But lets not panic, it may be that its carries a lighter punch?
 
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snoopy7548

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Got my Moderna booster last night at CVS! My arm is sore but that's it.

While I was there, two people walked in looking to get both the booster and flu shots, and this was at 8p.m. in a relatively small town.

Around noon yesterday, I started getting a bad headache. By 12:30p.m. I was getting chills and body aches, and they lasted until I went to bed. Woke up today and I feel fine, except that my arm is still sore at the injection site.

I consider that a success!
 

MtnMan

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Netherlands shows the way.

Hard lockdown. For the antiwaxxers.

Remember all the protests and demonstration during the initial lockdowns in this country? And that is when there was no place to go because restaurants, bars, etc. were also forced closed. These are the same people that are today's anti-vaxxer/anti-mask morons, but now restaurants, bars, etc. are open.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Remember all the protests and demonstration during the initial lockdowns in this country? And that is when there was no place to go because restaurants, bars, etc. were also forced closed. These are the same people that are today's anti-vaxxer/anti-mask morons, but now restaurants, bars, etc. are open.

Recipe for disaster OR a chance to “reeducate” with some hard time.
 

kt

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We asked our 6 year old daughter whether she wants to get vaccinated. Her response was "Yes" because she doesn't want to get her younger brother and her friends sick. This is the same child whom we couldn't get to cleanup her own room, we are proud of her still.
 

Meghan54

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I think it is both. You are correct that lot of the pain is inflammation caused by the immune response at the injection site.

But also it is the fact that you have a hole in your muscle. With Covid vaccines specifically, in order to get all the vaccines out quickly there was a wide variety of needles used. Some people got the pediatric needle with a tiny hole (25 gauge, 5/8" long), others got a larger needle (22 gauge 1.5" long). It is supposed to vary with weight and gender. But, a what most people got was just based on availability at the moment.

I have many more vaccines than the average person. Travelling a lot and working in health-related fields. I take any vaccine I can get.


Actually, the needles used don’t leave “a hole” in you.. the bevel is designed to produce a slicing effect that self-closes (sort of…that’s the premise) upon removal. That’s why even taking anti-coagulants, like heparin or aspirin, you don’t bleed like a stuck pig after an injection.

And neither a 25 nor 22ga needles should hurt. Most never feel a 25 and a 22 is almost as in hurtful. Now, u want pain? Go jam an 18 or 16 ga into yourself.
 
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MtnMan

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We asked our 6 year old daughter whether she wants to get vaccinated. Her response was "Yes" because she doesn't want to get her younger brother and her friends sick. This is the same child whom we couldn't get to cleanup her own room, we are proud of her still.
She is smart enough to understand when her choices endanger others, and cares, and when they don't. That makes her smarter than most republicans.
 
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