Each dose of Pfizer’s contains 30 micrograms of vaccine. Moderna went with a much larger dose of vaccine, 100 micrograms. It means the company is using a little more than three times as much vaccine per person as Pfizer is. While Moderna’s initial results didn’t seem to justify the much larger dose, data suggest the protection the company’s vaccine generates is declining at a slower rate than Pfizer’s is; some experts believe the higher dose may be at least partially responsible.
I’m not so sure it’s caused by the needle, I’m pretty sure it’s caused by the immune response. I’ve had more needles stuck in my arms than probably 90% of this board and some cause arm pain and some don’t.Well, it's no wonder the Moderna vaccine is showing better longevity than Pjizer. Moderna's vaccine is a 100mg while Pfizer is using 30 mg. That is why the Pfizer is being used for the 5-12 year olds.
Comparing the Covid-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson
How three Covid-19 vaccines — from Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J — stack up against one another.www.statnews.com
Since you can mix and match with the booster shots, I'm going with Moderna when I get the booster next week.
Regarding arm pain, that is caused by the needle, not the vaccine. It is significantly less if you keep your muscle relaxed and don't tense up at the moment of injection. I tensed at my first dose and had significant arm pain for 4 days. With the second, I kept it relaxed and had minor pain for one day.
I think it is both. You are correct that lot of the pain is inflammation caused by the immune response at the injection site.I’m not so sure it’s caused by the needle, I’m pretty sure it’s caused by the immune response. I’ve had more needles stuck in my arms than probably 90% of this board and some cause arm pain and some don’t.
Oh I meant I had cancer in 2008 and spent a couple weeks in the hospital which led to a lot of various pokes and prods.I think it is both. You are correct that lot of the pain is inflammation caused by the immune response at the injection site.
But also it is the fact that you have a hole in your muscle. With Covid vaccines specifically, in order to get all the vaccines out quickly there was a wide variety of needles used. Some people got the pediatric needle with a tiny hole (25 gauge, 5/8" long), others got a larger needle (22 gauge 1.5" long). It is supposed to vary with weight and gender. But, a what most people got was just based on availability at the moment.
I too have many more vaccines than the average person. Travelling a lot and working in health-related fields. I take any vaccine I can get.
I just assumed you were talking about vaccines. I hope that everything is in remission for you!Oh I meant I had cancer in 2008 and spent a couple weeks in the hospital which led to a lot of various pokes and prods.
Yep! Cancer free for 12 years!I just assumed you were talking about vaccines. I hope that everything is in remission for you!
Oh I meant I had cancer in 2008 and spent a couple weeks in the hospital which led to a lot of various pokes and prods.
Anyways though sure, any injection will lead to some pain because yes, you’re being injured. In my experience at least though arm pain is significantly different based on what you’re being injected with.
Regarding arm pain, that is caused by the needle, not the vaccine. It is significantly less if you keep your muscle relaxed and don't tense up at the moment of injection. I tensed at my first dose and had significant arm pain for 4 days. With the second, I kept it relaxed and had minor pain for one day.
Wow, 22 gauge is pretty big. I think mine must have been 25 gauge for all the shots. I hardly felt it at all when the needle went in for any of them. Even the vaccine itself going in was less painful than a regular flu shot.I think it is both. You are correct that lot of the pain is inflammation caused by the immune response at the injection site.
But also it is the fact that you have a hole in your muscle. With Covid vaccines specifically, in order to get all the vaccines out quickly there was a wide variety of needles used. Some people got the pediatric needle with a tiny hole (25 gauge, 5/8" long), others got a larger needle (22 gauge 1.5" long). It is supposed to vary with weight and gender. But, a what most people got was just based on availability at the moment.
I have many more vaccines than the average person. Travelling a lot and working in health-related fields. I take any vaccine I can get.
Yea, I have to laugh at the anti vaxxers who claim the vaccine doesnt work because we have so many cases now compared to before the vaccine. I just want to say "Well, lets shut down like before and see how many cases we have."Netherlands shows the way.
Hard lockdown. For the antiwaxxers.
Netherlands imposes lockdown measures as Covid cases hit new high
PM Mark Rutte announces first partial lockdown by a western European country since the summerwww.theguardian.com
I have to admit that I am somewhat surprised by the number of breakthrough cases, but nothing is 100% effective.
Batting 2/2 for breakthrough cases in this house. Both very mild.
Delta multiplies too fast to prevent all illness. Immune system just isn't that fast. First several months following a Vaccine is going to provide a much better outcome. After that though.... antibody levels fall off and the immune system relies more on T cell memory. Unfortunately T cells take too long to ramp up antibody production VS Delta's rapid growth. It is a race the body struggles to win, and a lot of people will need all the help they can get. Including staying "current" on vaccinations. Because it is all about maintaining a solid antibody level VS Delta.
What makes COVID so dangerous is the speed at which it attacks. Delta is roughly twice as fast as the original strain.
Yea, that's the thing, I guess we're all gonna catch it sooner or later if it's really here to stay-stay, difference is with the vax it wont kill us, we'll those mild symptoms and then back to normal.Yea, I have to laugh at the anti vaxxers who claim the vaccine doesnt work because we have so many cases now compared to before the vaccine. I just want to say "Well, lets shut down like before and see how many cases we have."
I have to admit that I am somewhat surprised by the number of breakthrough cases, but nothing is 100% effective. My sister in law just got a breakthrough case after being double vaccinated, but had not gotten the booster, for which she was eligible. Of course, she got infected from a non-immunized family member who was sick but didnt bother to get tested.
She has mild symptoms (intermittent fever, runny nose) but seems to be doing ok.
Europe seems to have gotten hit with a new variant in the past few weeks—something like a Delta+. My wife’s friend in Germany is due to fly back to the US for holidays soon and is quite worried about a potential travel ban.
Got my Moderna booster last night at CVS! My arm is sore but that's it.
While I was there, two people walked in looking to get both the booster and flu shots, and this was at 8p.m. in a relatively small town.
Remember all the protests and demonstration during the initial lockdowns in this country? And that is when there was no place to go because restaurants, bars, etc. were also forced closed. These are the same people that are today's anti-vaxxer/anti-mask morons, but now restaurants, bars, etc. are open.Netherlands shows the way.
Hard lockdown. For the antiwaxxers.
Netherlands imposes lockdown measures as Covid cases hit new high
PM Mark Rutte announces first partial lockdown by a western European country since the summerwww.theguardian.com
Remember all the protests and demonstration during the initial lockdowns in this country? And that is when there was no place to go because restaurants, bars, etc. were also forced closed. These are the same people that are today's anti-vaxxer/anti-mask morons, but now restaurants, bars, etc. are open.
I think it is both. You are correct that lot of the pain is inflammation caused by the immune response at the injection site.
But also it is the fact that you have a hole in your muscle. With Covid vaccines specifically, in order to get all the vaccines out quickly there was a wide variety of needles used. Some people got the pediatric needle with a tiny hole (25 gauge, 5/8" long), others got a larger needle (22 gauge 1.5" long). It is supposed to vary with weight and gender. But, a what most people got was just based on availability at the moment.
I have many more vaccines than the average person. Travelling a lot and working in health-related fields. I take any vaccine I can get.
She is smart enough to understand when her choices endanger others, and cares, and when they don't. That makes her smarter than most republicans.We asked our 6 year old daughter whether she wants to get vaccinated. Her response was "Yes" because she doesn't want to get her younger brother and her friends sick. This is the same child whom we couldn't get to cleanup her own room, we are proud of her still.