That's a good question--I'll ask him. In the context of our discussion at the time which was breakthrough infections, I would think that's what he was referring to, but it won't hurt to know the ratio. I think with the deaths being the same as they were before the hospital got busy would indicate vaccinated individuals because otherwise the deaths will climb pretty quickly (and they may have since I talked to him last since the counts usually lag a few weeks from the current load).What percentage of those people filling up the hospital have been vaccinated?
In most states the vaccinated are <1% of all COVID patients hospitalized, likewise for the deaths from COVID.What percentage of those people filling up the hospital have been vaccinated?
I think you need to watch your tone. It's pretty clear that the terms of service require every user to have decency when posting. And I think you need to also honor that. At no point did I personally attack you, so you better stop that right now.Ha ha ha ha.
You think that your grand uncle who works in one of 6,000+ hospitals in the US means he has the pulse on what's going on?
What your "first hand" knowledge? Calling up the nurses from the daily update?
This Delta surge is the surge of the unvaccinated. 100% to blame on the unvaccinated.
"Reading journals written for interpretation and armchair medical practice isn't the same thing. "
Where the fuck do you think that the doctors are getting a lot of their information?
Why don't you ask the 4-5 doctors that post on this board where they get their "cutting edge" medical infomation,
along with their collaboration with collegues.
"I haven't discussed the Delta with my grand-uncle in the last few weeks, but the initial problems were very clear to him, infections strongly on the rise but no rise in deaths yet. "
Any half decent layman could figue out what was happening.
1_ Cases were rising from 20-30K/day from June to almost 200K now
2) after 3-4 weeks to account for symptoms gettting better or worse, with those getting worse need hospitalizations.
That lag is the hospitalizations on the rise, which still have not peaked.
3) Several weeks after the start of new hospitalizations you will see the deaths rise from 200-300 a day in June to
over 1000 a day we have now. We still haven't hit that peak.
We have over 100K hospitalized. A number not seen since the surge of Dec-Jan this year
With more than 100,000 people in the hospital with Covid-19 in the US, this August is worse than last, expert says | CNN
More than 100,000 people are hospitalized with Covid-19 in the US -- the first time that level has been reached since January -- as medical workers say they're once again struggling to treat waves of patients.www.cnn.com
I wrote this post 6-7 weeks ago of what will happen with the Delta variant among the unvaccinated.
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Don’t be so fucking dumb. The data I just asked you about is available. That your response is “I’ll ask my uncle” shows me you have not entered into this thread in good faith (many things you posted show that as well, but I was testing you and you failed miserably).That's a good question--I'll ask him. In the context of our discussion at the time which was breakthrough infections, I would think that's what he was referring to, but it won't hurt to know the ratio. I think with the deaths being the same as they were before the hospital got busy would indicate vaccinated individuals because otherwise the deaths will climb pretty quickly (and they may have since I talked to him last since the counts usually lag a few weeks from the current load).
Hows this for tone, fuck you and your bullshiit!I think you need to watch your tone. It's pretty clear that the terms of service require every user to have decency when posting. And I think you need to also honor that. At no point did I personally attack you, so you better stop that right now.
Unless you're a doctor or have medical training, I think you really need to stop thinking you know so much about this.
The Delta surge originated in India. I know because I was there. And it didn't just hit the unvaccinated--it hit everyone. It was spread by both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. For the unvaccinated it was pretty much fatal. Here's some warning emails from the US state department at the time--note how they didn't differentiate the message for people who were vaccinated:
"New cases and deaths from COVID-19 have risen sharply throughout India to
record levels. COVID-19 testing infrastructure is reportedly constrained
in many locations. Hospitals are reporting shortages of oxygen, supplies,
and beds for both COVID-19 and non-COVID-19 related patients. U.S.
citizens are reporting being denied admission to hospitals in some cities
due to a lack of space. Some states have enacted curfews and other
restrictions that limit movement and the operation of non-essential
businesses."
Most of the doctors working in the ICU don't have time to read the journals (they just rest and get back to the ICU)--they're on the job and learning it well before it's ever in a journal.
I don't know what your point is about your layman example.
Great, any layman saw that this was going to happen. I saw it months ago--does that stroke my ego? Nope. Just helped me prepare well in advance.
Parroting any news media that has no liability for what they print (hint, no on-line publisher does) only introduces misinformation into the system. Which for many of the publishers brings site traffic and money so they still do it. There's a lot of 'influence' in the online media now from all sorts of sources to bend public opinion for an agenda. If you consider all this when reading you will continuously question the 'facts' as presented. The truth is harder to find than ever unless you experience it for yourself.
You can say anything you want--I really don't care. But don't spread the false notion that being vaccinated prevents spread. It is clearly the opposite (as any layman could see), and your actions will cause innocent people to die if they listen to you.
Watch your tone and insults. I wasn't entered into this thread--my posts were moved here. Online games like 'tests' just show what a terrible thread this is.Don’t be so fucking dumb. The data I just asked you about is available. That your response is “I’ll ask my uncle” shows me you have not entered into this thread in good faith (many things you posted show that as well, but I was testing you and you failed miserably).
Another poster provided one source. If you are interested in being more informed than a rock I ask you another question. What is the correlation between vaccination rates and areas with high levels of hospitalization?
Here's a link to them (it's at the bottom of the page)--section 5.a is what you should read:Watch my tone? Terms of service? Who do you think you are?
Understand the rules of P&N.
I get to call an asshole an asshole.
You don't like posting in P&N? GTFO then.
No innocent people are going to die from what I've posted
You're just another misinformed poster posting misinformation.
"But don't spread the false notion that being vaccinated prevents spread. It is clearly the opposite "
No, it's clearly not the opposite.That's saying vaccinated people are all infectious and are spreading the virus.
It's the goddamn unvaccinated people that are spreading most of this.
There are breakthrough infections in vaccinated people but its not the fucking norm.
You are a dishonest shit. Next time put on your big boy pants. Good bye.Watch your tone and insults. I wasn't entered into this thread--my posts were moved here. Online games like 'tests' just show what a terrible thread this is.
I'm not going to answer your question because you already have the answer--the one you want. Don't talk to me again.
I'd like you to say that to my face. Then we'll really quickly find out who's smart enough to stay alive.
For the record, I was vaccinated months ago. The biggest question is when the boosters that are in development are going to be available so I can get one of those too. Prior to Delta, the aim was to have those out either August or Sept, but I'm sure Delta will affect that rollout as the question of trying to roll Delta into it with the others will be worth holding it back. There will be more than one booster anyways for the next few years as this becomes like the flu.
I think you need to watch your tone. It's pretty clear that the terms of service require every user to have decency when posting. And I think you need to also honor that. At no point did I personally attack you, so you better stop that right now.
Unless you're a doctor or have medical training, I think you really need to stop thinking you know so much about this.
The Delta surge originated in India. I know because I was there. And it didn't just hit the unvaccinated--it hit everyone. It was spread by both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. For the unvaccinated it was pretty much fatal. Here's some warning emails from the US state department at the time--note how they didn't differentiate the message for people who were vaccinated:
"New cases and deaths from COVID-19 have risen sharply throughout India to
record levels. COVID-19 testing infrastructure is reportedly constrained
in many locations. Hospitals are reporting shortages of oxygen, supplies,
and beds for both COVID-19 and non-COVID-19 related patients. U.S.
citizens are reporting being denied admission to hospitals in some cities
due to a lack of space. Some states have enacted curfews and other
restrictions that limit movement and the operation of non-essential
businesses."
Most of the doctors working in the ICU don't have time to read the journals (they just rest and get back to the ICU)--they're on the job and learning it well before it's ever in a journal.
I don't know what your point is about your layman example.
Great, any layman saw that this was going to happen. I saw it months ago--does that stroke my ego? Nope. Just helped me prepare well in advance.
Parroting any news media that has no liability for what they print (hint, no on-line publisher does) only introduces misinformation into the system. Which for many of the publishers brings site traffic and money so they still do it. There's a lot of 'influence' in the online media now from all sorts of sources to bend public opinion for an agenda. If you consider all this when reading you will continuously question the 'facts' as presented. The truth is harder to find than ever unless you experience it for yourself.
You can say anything you want--I really don't care. But don't spread the false notion that being vaccinated prevents spread. It is clearly the opposite (as any layman could see), and your actions will cause innocent people to die if they listen to you.
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Bottom line is that both vaccinated and un-vaccinated are spreading it--not one or the other. And spreading the false idea that vaccine=immune will cause more carelessness. And that was the only point that I was posting to correct.
Really fucktard, you want people to "watch their tone" after you post a fucking threat? Not often does one show what a completely fucking tone-deaf raging hypocrite as they double down on just being a complete fucking asshole.I think you need to watch your tone. It's pretty clear that the terms of service require every user to have decency when posting. And I think you need to also honor that. At no point did I personally attack you, so you better stop that right now.
I'd like you to say that to my face. Then we'll really quickly find out who's smart enough to stay alive.
Wow way to inform me I will do it because you told me to, and I have Bronchitis and asthma so I will be sure to wear a mask just for you, who cares if I cannot breath right, right? Wont be inconvenient for you or friends and family if I died
And if it is tin foil hat, if you read that, I would sure like you/someone to inform me with actual stuff, rather then, just get it and wear a fucking mask, for your point in all that you wrote makes me feeeeel so good about going out and taking it. You really need to read, and watch the videos I posted, and rebut what I said with something more then, again, get the vax and wear a mask, tell me why I should with all the misinformation out there (from both sides), and people like you instead of saying, hey watch/read this stuff and get educated, rather then, you are wearing a tinfoil hat, get it, wear a fucking mask, do not care if you die in doing so, just so I do not
Probably did not read any of that, and I am sure you will come back to me with some other great information to educate me with.
You know, Im not going to side with anyone here, but for one side its vax is bad, the other side is vax is good, but no one seems to understand that our government is NOT in it for our best interest at all, so its really hard to decide which is right which is wrong. When you have one side saying xxx its all BS, then the other side shows a video proving that XXX actually happened, why then does it all of a sudden get swept under the rug? If you are going to control the masses, you do it through "news", and if one side has a massive agenda, well then you control all of the media to spread lies.
If you think government would never do a thing to harm its own citizens, well you are big time misinformed yourself I am afraid, and need to watch this, and others like it.
It makes it very hard to figure out what is right and what is wrong. If you feel the one video I shared is a bunch of BS then I ask you to inform me with something to disprove that claim that our government did, and has been using us as sheep and experiments, and it is not just our, its most likely all governments for watch what they did to these poor souls as well on the other side of the pond..... Watch me.
In order to gain control of the masses you must incite mass panic. Hence why the Karen's, people wearing masks by themselves outside, in the homes, in their cars, afraid to go anywhere at all and think that because our ever knowing and kind government says that you need to trust the science and unvax'd people will cause me to die, well then we need to get rid of them, shut them up, and or kill them so they do not kill me. I am not a anti vaxer, but you have to wonder why it is, that if you did get something caught from taking it, you have no recourse at all to go after anyone for causing you great pain and suffering, or death, so why is that? They are not 100% sure in what they are doing and you are the white rat sorry to say, for if it was safe, why would they make it so if its a opps, millions dies, so what, there is others that lived so give or take, go f off, be happy you're not dead yet
I do not wear a foil hat, but there is a truth somewhere in-between all the lies to one another, and really you need to hear and watch both sides, and watch videos, or audio, and come to a conclusion yourself for what is best for you and your family, and not have anyone tell you different or how to live your lives. A lot of people hated the Trump, but really aside of the way he had no filter, shit got done, and we were taken seriously, and has prices on gas at low for a long time. Now we do not. We have a guuy that cannot read even a teleprompter without messing up. All the countries think we are a joke and give us the big middle finger. Did I like trump, not really, do I like Biden, not really, did I like any president for that matter since I been born? Well the answer to that is yeah, I thought Regan was pretty good. But as far as any other, you hope for what you feel is the best person between to evils and if your team did not work, well there is always another time and joker to come forth in 4 years to maybe side with if they keep to what they say they are going to do. I do not care for Biden really at all, almost, IMO, 99% of what he said he was going to do and stand for after being elected went right out the window, or hushed. Trump at least between telling people with no filter to f off or they suck deal with it, did do a lot of what he said he was going to do. I watched a lot of videos of people, "news" cutting and claiming Trump did XXX, but then when I watch a whole video not cut up and out of context, it made me wonder why would the other people cut it up in such a way, and say things, that if you watched the entire video you find out it was not the case at all, and once called out on it, it becomes a "I'm rubber, you're glue what you say bounces off me, and sticks to you, so even if you saw a videos saying differently, well then your a racist, and belong in a KKK group (no matter your skin tone ), and the video shows us doing XXX or taking something cutting it up to fit our narrative, but it was they who did it not me, so you did not see xxx from our side doing xxx on video/audio, it was em, uh, hey look over there its a squirrel!"
So to take one side over the other, to believe one side over the other, its really hard to say and do, for they are not in it for us and our well being, its theirs, for how else can you make under $500K a year, and own several multi million dollar mansions? Want to be vaxed, fine go for it, not my place to say yes or no, you are you, and you need to know, or have the capacity to do some searching to insure it is what is best for you and yours, but at the same time, respect me as all, for if I feel different, do not force your beliefs on me please, for you can think of it as the people who get it, want ALL to get it, so if the should die doing so, they feel better knowing you took it too. Then you have the ones that did not take it, that think they are stupid, and hope they do die, so they can say "HA, we told you so!" You want to wear the mask, go for it, and I will continue not to get within 6 feet of you out of respect, and should I need to cough, will do so into my shirt, and NOT my hand or arm so as to if what I am doing and think is right, turns out to be wrong, well at least I tried my best not to spread it.
Again all IMO, think of it how ever you feel, but it is what I have seen, and not just passed on by word of mouth 100% and taken as the 100% truth no matter what and if you feel otherwise, well then you are a xxx xxxxx xxxxxxxzx xxxx xx xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxx butt much, stupid, and deserve to die and stop breathing my air :O
This song (listen to the end please) is how I try really hard to live by since I first heard it back in the 90's and feel.
NSFW, and I know I'm saying what I am telling people XX and how I feel, but need to sit back, get ALL the info, before pushing other people to think like you, and not say well if you do not think like me, your a stupid ass and I will ruin you! I am not telling anyone here, group, or person what to do, its just if you really think all that is going on for us sheep's wellbeing, well, you can lead a horse to water, not force it to drink, but all that goes on in this world really needs to be taken with a grain of salt, and need to educate the best you can with means given in hopes who is saying xxx is not part of a much larger picture. We need to be able to talk about everything and no blocking or what ever if you do not like what someone else may say, or post, or write, but do listen anyway, and do some digging into it and see what is really going on. If you like to continue to discuss this further I am all up for it, just do not come at me, and say I am wrong, or the videos you posted is wrong, or what I wrote is wrong without giving me something to read and watch so that I may see what others are saying is really indeed true, and educate me. Coming at me calling me names, or I will kill you, or I'll beat you up, or you're one stupid mofo without then giving more information to disprove what I said is not a meaningful conversation/discussion and is not going to help me or anyone become more informed other then having people make some popcorn for the show reading people call other people xxx and need to gtfo or die.
What I can say however 100% is last year I fractured my arm in 4 places, and I ended up going to Urgent care, 2 Hospitals, and my doctor(s) over it, and another one when my wife fell through our hvac vent and fractured her knee 4 days after I did mine, causing us to go to yet another different hospital. The news at the time was plastered saying how crowded the all were and people dying left and right, and if you have to go, be ready to be so crowded it will take forever to see anyone at all..........and we were the other people there at all of them aside of maybe 1-2 other people. And I am not talking some tiny little places here either in good size cities around me, and my wife and I were like, wtf, where is all the people? And I can also say, that because of my health mental and physically, there were more people at all of them I have gone to in the past, in the past before all this stuff, but they were claiming hospitals and all were being over crowded, and they all had signs in the front doors, saying the wait would be long because of all the cases along with normal emergences, yet there was not anything. One more thing for my book, and why in the past did they hail all healthcare workers as heroes, and now with the vax out, and pushing it saying get the shot or go home and find something else to do, we do not care any longer about it, do what we say! My wife works in the old peoples home, and gets checked everyday, but now they are wanting to try and push her to either get the shot, or leave, for if you do not big brother gov will start to take away the nursing homes gov/state money they get for the residents if all workers do not get it. Why are there tons of videos out there with the higher up gov and state workers saying you must do xxxx, and then there is video of them doing NOTHING of what they are saying we must do. Its like we must have low flow water everything in your home if you fall and live in a certain place, but then if you are on the higher up list, and or make enough money, can have to toilets, one to crap in, the other to wash ur bum hole because you are too good to touch ur butt with paper, and have a bath tub the size of a swimming pool, and a shower that can fit 20, with enough shower heads to simulate a rain shower, and light up your entire home inside and out like the sun is out, but shame on me, and there are codes set in place, that if I do not I can be fined, nor (if I had the money, not big time money mind you) have a new home built without those fixtures in place?
Its the do as I say, not as I do, and watch the right hand while the left hand is doing nothing, do not worry about it, for everything you read, watch, said or do is wrong and the left hand was right there at my side, nothing else to see here
Sorry for the book, and the grammar for I am not the best at writing and getting my point across at times, but I hope something came out of what I tried to say, please carry on, and have a wonderful.....xxxx
I also skipped over your previous post. Just glancing at it gave me a headache. If you want people to read what you write, try and be a bit more succint, and don't post horribly-formatted walls of text.
As someone who also suffers from asthma I can breathe just fine in a mask. It’s seriously about the most minor inconvenience anyone could have placed on them.Wow way to inform me I will do it because you told me to, and I have Bronchitis and asthma so I will be sure to wear a mask just for you, who cares if I cannot breath right, right? Wont be inconvenient for you or friends and family if I died
And if it is tin foil hat, if you read that, I would sure like you/someone to inform me with actual stuff, rather then, just get it and wear a fucking mask, for your point in all that you wrote makes me feeeeel so good about going out and taking it. You really need to read, and watch the videos I posted, and rebut what I said with something more then, again, get the vax and wear a mask, tell me why I should with all the misinformation out there (from both sides), and people like you instead of saying, hey watch/read this stuff and get educated, rather then, you are wearing a tinfoil hat, get it, wear a fucking mask, do not care if you die in doing so, just so I do not
Probably did not read any of that, and I am sure you will come back to me with some other great information to educate me with.
As someone who also suffers from asthma I can breathe just fine in a mask. It’s seriously about the most minor inconvenience anyone could have placed on them.
As far as the vaccine goes, everyone should get it and if you don’t you’re putting yourself and your wife in danger for no reason. At this point like a billion people have been vaccinated - they are all fine. You will be fine too.
Too much dewormer?And what makes all of you any better then me, just because I cannot write/post/convey any good? Do you know why I cannot? Do you know my situation(s)? Do you know what I have been through that makes you soooooo much better then me that you can insult me?
Did you read just a little and feel you need to inform me with what is 100% correct? Nope, Just insults from people who think they are the best at everything and anyone else, and jack off at home knowing ewwww I really put him in his place, I feel so much better about myself.
Maybe if all I see is people trying to stand up for the little guy, ACTUALLY stands up for the little guy. You know I give people my pone number if there is any way I could help them, and NOT call them names or put them down, but the moment you do not like XXX for what ever reason, its a killing spree.
Maybe you should find out since 2001 when I joined my posts have sucked (deal with it), and instead of insults get to know me and find out why and how you may be able to better myself?
Just a thought, and yeah, look at me insulting and calling you names back, wonder why, its because I do not know you, other then you are a very mean cold hearted person who cares for no ther person then yourself, and must make yourself feel better by making sure other people think you are in fact better and smarter and I should STFU (hahaha, better and smarter, for I am sure I may not write or post good, I can do things, and been through things you could never imagine or wish on a person you hate the most to go through), and I am sure there is a lot of stuff you can do and been through I have not, but Im not going to be a mean asshole and insults other for it.
And again, the information you have provided me with is great, so I can now make a informed decision if I feel what you have done would be the right choice for me/mine
I should take your advices and be a asshole to my kids and wife cuz they all be stupid dumb shits, for insults seem to be the best way to go and then get vaccinated, still spread covid even after getting, wear a mask and die. Super great, THANKS!
And yes I am mental, papers to prove it, so you feel great making fun of a retard?
And you know it is 100% safe? We were told get it so we cannot get it or spread it to anyone, and now they say you get it (the shot), and can still even get it and pass it on to others, so I ask, how do you know 100% it is safe, for if it was, why do they have it if something goes wrong with you you cannot sue? And as far as being fine, I have read and watched videos of people who were not "fine" after taking and some have died. Do I want to take that chance right now? NO, I will wait for others to get it and see what happens before I decide to put me or mine at risk or not, and not just because some news place, person, or site just says its ok without any proof that it really is, or if I or mine should get sick or die from getting it, can sue them for misinformation.