Having a tough time between selecting a new highend psu.

[DARQ MX]

Sorry for this being so long but I need to explain

Looking into the PC P&C Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe (now I know this site is really bias on pc P&C) but it is a lot more than I want to pay($215). But it is almost perfect. It has really tight voltage regulation, nice rails Looks really stable. And has the feature I want the most... sleeve wrapped cables & Adjustable Rails & 5yr warranty. Just like the other one I was looking at... The OCZ powersteams.

(pc P&C) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703001

(OCZ) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817711002

Another psu I saw was a Thermaltake. Now I am pretty skepical on Thermaltake's PSUs but If it is really good than maybe I ll get it...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...TT=Power+Supplies&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r




Now, Here are my Reasons for my buying a new psu
#1
It is simple cause my currant one is not very stable and my +12v are hitting +10v and my +3.3v are in the +1.50. Now I am not to sure on how acurate these are cause they are form everest but I will slap on a mutimeter If I have too.
#2
better cable management, The sp450 I have it ugly and messy, I would not mind getting a modular but I have heard bad things about them from amperage loss. So I would like the sleeve wrapped cables.
#3
I need a longer PCI-E power cable. Cause of my case, my Sp450 does not reach my card and I have to use adpapters
#4
Cleaner power if I oc more. Right now I am oc-ed to 2.4ghz from 2.2ghz and Everything is stable but when I get better ram in the feature along with a 4400+ I plan on getting after the price drop. I want a good psu with outstanding rails.
#5
More molex connectors is a must.

Now would any psu out there fit this besides ones that are over a $150? I do not want to go over $150 but if I have too for this psu I might do it.

 

[ChiPCGuy]

Consider the Enermax Liberty series. VERY STABLE -- and no issues with amp loss on the modular cables with that unit. Check the net for reviews. The OCZ Powerstream 520 W PSU is another incredible PSU, and the one I am using (you know for a fact, in fact :^) )

The 500 W Enermax Liberty is $109 on NewEgg, I think. I cannot confirm, though, because I cannot get on NewEgg!

 

[DARQ MX]

yea, I considered enermax, They were on my head, but none I have seen are sleeved.

 

[ChiPCGuy]

The Liberty's are 3/4 sleeved on their molex trinity connectors. Their primary/aux ATX I believe is fully sleeved. The only sleeved connectors on the PowerStream are the main/aux ATX, PCI and two specialized molex connectors. Rest is not sleeved at all.

 

[Bobthelost]

Seasonic is out. The cables aren't all that long and they are messy to say the least. Another vote for the enermax, good PSU.

 

[SMOKE20]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Seasonic is out. The cables aren't all that long and they are messy to say the least. Another vote for the enermax, good PSU.

Guess that means you didn't use the sleeving kit included. Also, the Seasonics leads are longer on the higher end units. Not swaying either way, the ones you listed so far are great. I like the Seasonics for their quiet and power efficiency (sp....just got up LOL!) The PCPC would definately be your best choice but if you can't spend that much, read reviews and go with the best you can get for what you want to spend!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I would stick to the PC Power & Cooling PSU!!

Again....I have never been fond of modular PSU`s!!


Even though they say there is no amp loss on the Enermax Liberty modular PSU`s....
Its really too early to tell since its such a new product.
Wait a year or 2 down thew line and see if there is amp loss!!

Only time will tell!!

Yet we who are followers of PC Power & Cooling PSU`s know that time has and continues to substantiate the fact that PC Power & Cooling PSU`s are the best money can buy!!

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: SMOKE20

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Seasonic is out. The cables aren't all that long and they are messy to say the least. Another vote for the enermax, good PSU.

Guess that means you didn't use the sleeving kit included. Also, the Seasonics leads are longer on the higher end units. Not swaying either way, the ones you listed so far are great. I like the Seasonics for their quiet and power efficiency (sp....just got up LOL!) The PCPC would definately be your best choice but if you can't spend that much, read reviews and go with the best you can get for what you want to spend!

The sleeving kit included? It's two bits of twisted bloody plastic and some cable ties. I've got the 600W s12 and the cables are short, not to mention the pathetic jumble as they come out of the PSU, cable management is a massive weakness of the s12.

It's a nice PSU, but not for this situation.

 

[vanvock]

I'm with JEDIYoda, although any above mentioned would probably do just fine I got mine for the very reasons you stated. I'ts almost like having a UPS of sorts, when the power glitches & everything else in the house re-boots I don't even notice it because of the hold up time. If you do get one you might check that it's EPS(8 pin connector) for future use if not needed now. They'll fix it up anyway you want.

 

[SMOKE20]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: SMOKE20

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Seasonic is out. The cables aren't all that long and they are messy to say the least. Another vote for the enermax, good PSU.

Guess that means you didn't use the sleeving kit included. Also, the Seasonics leads are longer on the higher end units. Not swaying either way, the ones you listed so far are great. I like the Seasonics for their quiet and power efficiency (sp....just got up LOL!) The PCPC would definately be your best choice but if you can't spend that much, read reviews and go with the best you can get for what you want to spend!

The sleeving kit included? It's two bits of twisted bloody plastic and some cable ties. I've got the 600W s12 and the cables are short, not to mention the pathetic jumble as they come out of the PSU, cable management is a massive weakness of the s12.

It's a nice PSU, but not for this situation.

Whatever....the sleeving kit worked fine for me and looks as good as any. As far as the cables, how old is your unit because unless yours is like a year old or manufactured a year + ago, the newer 500W+ units have longer leads to accomodate servers and full towers.......it says it on the box!

 

[ChiPCGuy]

You guys! The PC Power and Cooling is a nice PSU. It is also the most EXPENSIVE PSU. Give this poor guy a break, because you will make him go broke. There are less expensive and just as suitable PSUs for his requirements.

Jedi--why are we waiting up to two years to find out how a PSU works when there are literally a half dozen excellent reviews of the Liberty that have put that PSU under microscope and oscilloscope to prove that it is up to the task?

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: SMOKE20

Whatever....the sleeving kit worked fine for me and looks as good as any. As far as the cables, how old is your unit because unless yours is like a year old or manufactured a year + ago, the newer 500W+ units have longer leads to accomodate servers and full towers.......it says it on the box!

I bought it a month ago.

The cables are shorter than other high end, high spec PSUs. The cabling is messy where it emerges from the PSU's casing and looks ******. It's not brain surgery here, every review i've read of the s12 says exactly the same thing i am saying. Maybe you just have lower standards

Not to mention the OP wants modular cabling, which tends to wipe out the s12 for some strange reason...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy
You guys! The PC Power and Cooling is a nice PSU. It is also the most EXPENSIVE PSU. Give this poor guy a break, because you will make him go broke. There are less expensive and just as suitable PSUs for his requirements.

Jedi--why are we waiting up to two years to find out how a PSU works when there are literally a half dozen excellent reviews of the Liberty that have put that PSU under microscope and oscilloscope to prove that it is up to the task?

You say its been out for 2 years....
If you go by these forums here at anandtech...thats not exactly true...
The first mention of the Liberty was-- 10/25/2005 12:01 AM...
2005 is hardly 2 years....
Unless Im missing something...

If it has been out for 2 years why is it listed under new products on the enermax website?

I also checked all the reviews at the enermax website foir the Liberty PSU....none of them are older than 8-2005....thus....

Anyways I never said Enermax was bad...
But the OP did say its alot more than he wants to pay...but...
Its almost perfect...
There is no harm in being truthful and telling the Op that he would be very happy with his choice of PSU brand!!
So as always...PC Power & Cooling has stood the test of time....
As always I personally would have nothing to do with a modular PSU...just my opinion!!

YES--I know there are alot of happy modular peeps...
Have a nice day!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

an after thought...the OP might also be happy with a Zippy Brand PSU....
Zippy nad PC Power & Cooling would be my top 2 choices...

For the budget minded under $65 - I would go with a fortron PSU!!

 

[Crescent13]

I would reccomend the Enermax Liberty PSUs. I have one myself

 

[SMOKE20]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: SMOKE20

Whatever....the sleeving kit worked fine for me and looks as good as any. As far as the cables, how old is your unit because unless yours is like a year old or manufactured a year + ago, the newer 500W+ units have longer leads to accomodate servers and full towers.......it says it on the box!

I bought it a month ago.

The cables are shorter than other high end, high spec PSUs. The cabling is messy where it emerges from the PSU's casing and looks ******. It's not brain surgery here, every review i've read of the s12 says exactly the same thing i am saying. Maybe you just have lower standards

Not to mention the OP wants modular cabling, which tends to wipe out the s12 for some strange reason...

When was it manufactured? Oh, and no, apparently, I have higher standards and simply want the guy to get the best, most efficient P/S for his money!

4-8-2005 Sea Sonic Electronics Co., Ltd. will demonstrate new power supplies at Hall 1, booth # D504, D506 & D508. The new PC & IPC power solutions include products that comply with ATX12V V2.01, EPS V2.0 and SFX V3.01 specifications and RoHS requirements. Sea Sonic Electronics markets products under its own brand and also provides professional OEM and ODM services to customers.

With 30 years of experience in the power supply industry, Sea Sonic has developed strong RD and manufacturing capability. Sea Sonic product lines cover PC, IPC, communication, data storage and other related fields. In the PC market, Sea Sonic will present new Intel ATX12V v2.01 compliant SS-400/500/600HT models. This new series is designed to support PCI-E platform; the dual PCI-E connectors on 500 and 600w models further support SLI technology. The 80 Plus program (www.80plus.org) has recently certified all three of these models to be 80 Plus-compliant ¡V meaning that it is at least 80 percent efficient across a wide range of loads (20 to 100 percent), and that it has a true power factor over 0.9.

Sea Sonic will release the new H1U & H2U series, ATX12V V2.01 & EPS12V V2.0 compatible, to satisfy the demand of the IPC industry. Models in these series feature super high 80% efficiency, double forward converter circuit design, and triple +12V output lines. A unique modular cable design is the key breakthrough of the H1U & H2U series. Customers and users can easily switch the cables, effectively allocate their cables, and significantly improve system airflow and cooling.
The divergent needs in server markets can be satisfied, and a balance between convenient assembly and orderly appearance is easily achieved. The maximum total continuous outputs of the H1U and H2U series are 520W and 600W respectively.

For the communications market, Sea Sonic will introduce the SSF-025N series and PoE models. These open frame power supplies meet RoHS requirements. The SSF-025N series also features modular output cables; the PoE products support +48V outputs and offer high compatibility and reliability. Please visit Seasonic booth for a demonstration of these exciting new product.

 

[DasFox]

DARQ MX besides PCP&C go with a Antec NEO:

NewEgg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103941

Antec:
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=28550

Forget Enermax or Seasonic, Antec has proven itself already and is a world leader in some of the best PSUs out there! I have this NEO on a SLI box and it runs SWEET, oh and did I forget to mention it's SLEEVED!

WoOt

 

[ShadoWing]

i still like antec smartpowers...

 

[JEDIYoda]

You state-- When was it manufactured? Oh, and no, apparently, I have higher standards and simply want the guy to get the best, most efficient P/S for his money

You obviously did not read the guys original post!
What you want is not what the guy was asking for....

he made a statement that went like this - Looking into the PC P&C Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe (now I know this site is really bias on pc P&C) but it is a lot more than I want to pay($215). But it is almost perfect.

Your going to tell me that those of us who own PC Power & Cooling PSU`s didn`t get our moneys worth?

You can`t place a value on reliability....quality.....craftsmanship....let alone knowing you have a PSU that can handle most anything....

Before i would go Seasonic....which i would stay away from for the time being...due to CAP issues in some models...

I would look at Zippy or Fortron brands.

Have a good day!!

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: ShadoWing
i still like antec smartpowers...

Good PSU, but the budget line, I used them before and I'm using a True Power 550W on another box I have. With DARQ MX mentioning he's looking at a PC Power & Cooling as one of his choices for a TOP PSU, the Smart Power are not close to this league, but the NEO is.

If money is the consideration here, then get the NEO if it is not then buy the PCP&C!

 

[ChiPCGuy]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy
You guys! The PC Power and Cooling is a nice PSU. It is also the most EXPENSIVE PSU. Give this poor guy a break, because you will make him go broke. There are less expensive and just as suitable PSUs for his requirements.

Jedi--why are we waiting up to two years to find out how a PSU works when there are literally a half dozen excellent reviews of the Liberty that have put that PSU under microscope and oscilloscope to prove that it is up to the task?

You say its been out for 2 years....
If you go by these forums here at anandtech...thats not exactly true...
The first mention of the Liberty was-- 10/25/2005 12:01 AM...
2005 is hardly 2 years....
Unless Im missing something...

If it has been out for 2 years why is it listed under new products on the enermax website?

I also checked all the reviews at the enermax website foir the Liberty PSU....none of them are older than 8-2005....thus....

Anyways I never said Enermax was bad...
But the OP did say its alot more than he wants to pay...but...
Its almost perfect...
There is no harm in being truthful and telling the Op that he would be very happy with his choice of PSU brand!!
So as always...PC Power & Cooling has stood the test of time....
As always I personally would have nothing to do with a modular PSU...just my opinion!!

YES--I know there are alot of happy modular peeps...
Have a nice day!!

You are definitely missing something. I never said it was out two years. I asked why YOU think we all have to wait two years to determine whether a product is good or not before someone should buy it. In two years the Liberty series might be discontinued or who knows what. I also did not say you said Enermax is bad.

Quit taking things out of context, get off your high horse, and stop being so damn defensive when it is not called for.

 

[SMOKE20]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
You state-- When was it manufactured? Oh, and no, apparently, I have higher standards and simply want the guy to get the best, most efficient P/S for his money

You obviously did not read the guys original post!
What you want is not what the guy was asking for....

he made a statement that went like this - Looking into the PC P&C Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe (now I know this site is really bias on pc P&C) but it is a lot more than I want to pay($215). But it is almost perfect.

Your going to tell me that those of us who own PC Power & Cooling PSU`s didn`t get our moneys worth?

You can`t place a value on reliability....quality.....craftsmanship....let alone knowing you have a PSU that can handle most anything....

Before i would go Seasonic....which i would stay away from for the time being...due to CAP issues in some models...

I would look at Zippy or Fortron brands.

Have a good day!!

No, I'm saying clearly that for the money, Seasonics are a very good buy, very efficeint and quiet with a good warranty......not a PCPC, but a great buy and solid P/S...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: SMOKE20

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
You state-- When was it manufactured? Oh, and no, apparently, I have higher standards and simply want the guy to get the best, most efficient P/S for his money

You obviously did not read the guys original post!
What you want is not what the guy was asking for....

he made a statement that went like this - Looking into the PC P&C Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe (now I know this site is really bias on pc P&C) but it is a lot more than I want to pay($215). But it is almost perfect.

Your going to tell me that those of us who own PC Power & Cooling PSU`s didn`t get our moneys worth?

You can`t place a value on reliability....quality.....craftsmanship....let alone knowing you have a PSU that can handle most anything....

Before i would go Seasonic....which i would stay away from for the time being...due to CAP issues in some models...

I would look at Zippy or Fortron brands.

Have a good day!!

No, I'm saying clearly that for the money, Seasonics are a very good buy, very efficeint and quiet with a good warranty......not a PCPC, but a great buy and solid P/S...

yep I could have very easily misread what you stated....thx for the clarification!! It was duly noted!!
You have a good night!!
Thx

 

[DARQ MX]

I really wish PCP&C made a lot of a cheaper priced psu just like that one cause it is a "purty" psu but yea, The cheapest I found it was like $193.

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

Bleh, don't get Antec. Their quality is really starting to slip nowadays. The Neopower 480W had compatability issues with some nForce4 boards (ASUS I believe). Seasonic would be nice, but since the OP requested longer and organized cables, I have to recommend the 500W Liberty.