Hawken, holy gpu physx!

[notty22]

Didn't someone mention here that their GTX650Ti dedicated PhysX card is tanking in this game?
650Ti by itself should be enough to run most games in high details <fullHD, yet it has problems with running just a physx?

Software (physx) that works only on specific hardware is bad software.

I'm waiting for nv to emulate air molecules in their games. Hey, look! If you have NV card there is real time air participles simulation! You can't see it, but physX man!

GTX650Ti dedicated PhysX card is tanking in this game?

I'm not sure, I didn't make that comment? Why don't you re-examine what you read, comment accordingly? Why are you quoting me?
By the way.
That was a lower tier card forced to take on all the physX calculations from the Titan. A top tier card.

 

[Erenhardt]

I don't think many of you understand why we have GPU only physics, or why cpu physics is complete crap compared to the GPU version.

I understand that GPU multitasking is superior to CPU. And lots of particles can't be computed on already highly utilized 4 CPU cores.
What I don't understand is why they disable features if you don't have nv hardware (and only nv hardware - locking AMD rendering gpu + nv physx gpu combo). It is almost at the racist levels.

New battlefield 8 - throwing grenades is physX accelerated feature. Buy our PhysX ready hardware to be able to throw grenades and kill whole RED team currently on map!
Is that what we want? How far will they push this?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

There is CPU physics in all of these titles that can be run with AMD hardware on your cpu.

The only lock out is the CUDA requirement for GPU accelerated physics.

Unless you redirect your question to why Nvidia chose to code PhysX in CUDA rather than OpenCL - which has a clear and obvious answer.. It seems you're more upset that Nvidia bought and paid for something, then developed it themselves and paid for all of it. If that isn't justification enough for a lock out I don't know what is.

OpenCL is right there, for free, if you want a competitive API vs PhysX, get to work because AMD isn't.


Edit: I see you asked why can't you run a AMD render GPU with a Nvidia PPU. I don't know, why don't you send Nvidia a inquiry as to why they don't support AMD hardware working in tandem with theirs.


As for your example, you still have guns and ammo in Hawken, even though you don't get their GPU accelerated physics effects. You can have your grenades, it will just be the same grenades you've been using since 1995.

 

[chimaxi83]

I played the game for the first time yesterday, and have very few of those cool effects :'( there is a crap load of debris though, which I noticed in the tutorial mission that has endless drones.

 

[Dravonic]

Now we have the armchair programmers tell us what can be done and what can't. I thought there was NOTHING.
Can the direct compute unique type hair be done in Tombraider without a 20fps hit?

By the way, clearly there is a effect there.

I'm a computer engineer, but even though you're resorting to ad hominem, I don't think I need to resort to the also fallacious appeal to authority argument.

I don't know if you're pretending to be dense, but I've already spelled it out for you: the effect I'm talking about is the blue/green swirling effect. There is no blue/green swirling effect without PhysX. Just like you can make hair without TressFX, you can achieve a similarly looking blue/green swirling effect using standard methods like animated textures with a few CPU particles. It definitely won't look as good as the PhysX particle effects, but it will at least be there.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Prove it.
You like to talk smack...now I am calling you on it.

(hint: The intelligent reader would notice the fallacy; Dynamic physics vs scripted events)

Free 5MB fanmade program that can do realtime dynamic dynamic physics: (you can change the physics on-the-fly)
http://www.geocities.jp/higuchuu4/index_e.htm

(Turn the physical operation to "anytime".)

Ooh, 3% CPU utilization!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Ewww windows xp, do not want.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Ewww windows xp, do not want.

You'd rather have your Vista, derivative of Vista, or derivative of:

than a real OS?

 

[DominionSeraph]

Damn, I wish we could have effects without PhysX.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Damn, I wish we could have effects without PhysX.

Nice clipping in those scripts...thankfully we have progressed from that

 

[Plimogz]

This is crazy, what are people so passionate about in this thread? lol.

It seems simple enough: The Hawken folks get some compensation from nVidia in the form of programmer assistance to implement cool physx effects, publicity for their Free-to-Play game and probably some percentage of the value of the bundled game credit. nVidia get to showcase their physx effects in a cool mech game and something to bundle with their cards. And the players with eligible hardware get an enhanced game experience and some in-game cash to throw around on fun stuff.

As for sorry purchasers of AMD hardware, they can try to get over it playing a combination of Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinity or Tomb Raider -- and I just guess that those SOL games will have to try and look passably good enough despite their lack of Physx...

 

[Lonbjerg]

This is crazy, what are people so passionate about in this thread? lol.

It seems simple enough: The Hawken folks get some compensation from nVidia in the form of programmer assistance to implement cool physx effects, publicity for their Free-to-Play game and probably some percentage of the value of the bundled game credit. nVidia get to showcase their physx effects in a cool mech game and something to bundle with their cards. And the players with eligible hardware get an enhanced game experience and some in-game cash to throw around on fun stuff.

As for sorry purchasers of AMD hardware, they can try to get over it playing a combination of Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinity or Tomb Raider -- and I just guess that those SOL games will have to try and look passably good enough despite their lack of Physx...

Nah, they (AMD fans) rather come here and whine instead of gaming

 

[DominionSeraph]

It seems simple enough: The Hawken folks get some compensation from nVidia in exchange for leaving out effects we've had since 1998.

ftfy

 

[BallaTheFeared]

PhysX adds effects, it doesn't remove them.

Hawken never had some crummy 1998 tacky animation above their energy dispensers, Nvidia added the effects to it.

What was never there to start with can not be lost by an implementation of PhysX.

 

[Lonbjerg]

PhysX adds effects, it doesn't remove them.

Hawken never had some crummy 1998 tacky animation above their energy dispensers, Nvidia added the effects to it.

What was never there to start with can not be lost by an implementation of PhysX.

Damn you logic!

 

[Dravonic]

PhysX adds effects, it doesn't remove them.

Hawken never had some crummy 1998 tacky animation above their energy dispensers, Nvidia added the effects to it.

What was never there to start with can not be lost by an implementation of PhysX.

Except Hawken developers clearly skipped implementing the "generic version" of the effects and went directly to PhysX. I don't exactly blame them (too much) for it, because developing both versions would require more time and money than a single version, but the result is PhysX did indirectly "remove" the effects.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Except Hawken developers clearly skipped implementing the "generic version" of the effects and went directly to PhysX. I don't exactly blame them (too much) for it, because developing both versions would require more time and money than a single version, but the result is PhysX did indirectly "remove" the effects.

They did that with Batman too. Some debris and smoke is totally missing without physx.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Hawken never had some crummy 1998 tacky animation above their energy dispensers, Nvidia added the effects to it.

Those squares are tacky compared to properly animated particles. Looks like a bad tech demo. Oh gee, could it be because it is?
It doesn't even have lighting.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Except Hawken developers clearly skipped implementing the "generic version" of the effects and went directly to PhysX. I don't exactly blame them (too much) for it, because developing both versions would require more time and money than a single version, but the result is PhysX did indirectly "remove" the effects.

Really?

You know that for a fact?

Heck there doesn't even need to be a discussion on this, just link your proof it's the big red button that says "Easy".

 

[Annisman*]

i'll download and try it.



You mean third lol.


edit: The game runs better in SLI by a bit. Averaging somewhere around 70fps. When I turn that off and dedicate card 2 to physx the game is still playable but slower. GPU usage on card one goes up higher while card 2 is low (less than 50%) and doesn't boost as high either. I'm not really a fan of the game, nothing for me here so I will be uninstalling it. Didn't mind trying it though.

:thumbsup: Thanks for doing that for me. So to clarify, what kind of percentage was your dedicated 670 getting as a Physx card ?

 

[Dravonic]

Really?

You know that for a fact?

Heck there doesn't even need to be a discussion on this, just link your proof it's the big red button that says "Easy".

It's just common sense, really. Games have been using scripted effects for years, why can't Hawken? Uhm, let's see... wouldn't it be because the developers preferred to use PhysX instead?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Hawken has scripted effects even with all PhysX disabled.

I'm still waiting for your proof, such a bold statement should come with actual proof shouldn't it?

If you don't have any it's ok, it just means what you say has no merit.

 

[Dravonic]

Hawken has scripted effects even with all PhysX disabled.

I'm still waiting for your proof, such a bold statement should come with actual proof shouldn't it?

If you don't have any it's ok, it just means what you say has no merit.

Come again? The game has scripted effects even with PhysX disabled? Do you see some swirling greenish effect on the off side of that screenshot?

And what do you expect me to do here? Post a link to a developer spelling it out for you? If you can't use a bit of common sense, feel free to ignore what I'm saying.

 

[notty22]

Come again? The game has scripted effects even with PhysX disabled? Do you see some swirling greenish effect on the off side of that screenshot?

And what do you expect me to do here? Post a link to a developer spelling it out for you? If you can't use a bit of common sense, feel free to ignore what I'm saying.

When you posted that video with obvious laser on force field effects, but cited a CC caption as your evidence, I knew you had NO common sense, so I for one am ignoring you.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I'm just asking you to back up what you're saying with some sort of proof, nothing out of the ordinary.

I see effects taking place without PhysX enabled on all sorts of things that have ADDITIONAL effects with PhysX, I also see new effects added by PhsyX... I don't see anything, nor have I ever seen anything where game developers pass off the engine to Nvidia and said "add some crap for us, /yolo".