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yeah, it's not that, though. It's the shit quality of the source. No one watched this on physical, uncompressed media.
See my follow up rant above
yeah, it's not that, though. It's the shit quality of the source. No one watched this on physical, uncompressed media.
The show definitely declined once the show writers no longer had the books to guide them. It seems thar they’re defaulting to spectacle and fan service over character development.
The Battle of Winterfell, what a tactical train wreck.
Well, it does matter...if the Night King is a Targaryen, then he is the one true King of the Seven Kingdoms, considering how old he must be. Awkward!
The Arya scene is the only thing that worked in the whole episode and is a fitting conclusion to her character.Well here’s an interesting take on the battle by a military strategist.
https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/battle-winterfell-military-analysis-tactics.html
Cavalry
Team Alive’s use of cavalry has received harsh criticism from analysts, in part because of the near-complete annihilation of the force within minutes of the beginning of the battle. Team Alive deserves some of this criticism, but the cavalry attack is best thought of as a low-odds gamble in a difficult situation than as an error in judgment.
The success of a cavalry attack against infantry requires either flanking (hitting a formation on its side while some other group “fixes” its front) or a shocking frontal assault that disrupts the formation. Both of these depend more on psychological than on physical factors. Fear of being attacked from two sides induces infantry to break and flee, just as fear of being overrun causes infantry to throw down their weapons and run. In either case, cavalry runs free and kills until the infantry can pull itself back together. But crucially, success depends on the ability of the cavalry to induce panic.
We also know from ancient and medieval sources that commanders struggled to keep even experienced cavalry under control. Once cavalry left sight range and hearing distance of a commander, it was effectively on its own and not manageable. Cavalry formations commonly abandoned the battlefield to pursue objectives distinct from those of their commanding officers. Even as recently at the Battle of Gettysburg, Gen. Robert E. Lee lost contact with his cavalry, leaving him blind in the fight against the Army of the Potomac.
Team Alive knew enough about Team Dead to guess that the Dothraki faced a kind of infantry that they had never encountered before; one without fear and thus invulnerable to shock and flanking. Moreover, in the dark, the Dothraki probably could not even identify the enemy flank. Although it’s not clear that Team Alive had a well-thought out plan for the cavalry charge, it may have believed that it could take advantage of the lack of discipline of Team Dead (which did not fight in tight phalanxes or with standardized weapons) in order to reach and attack the “middle management” of White Walkers. Alexander the Great employed a variant of this strategy at the Battle of Gaugamela.
While all of this makes theoretical sense, it also runs counter to decades of Dothraki fighting experience. When Dothraki fought undisciplined infantry, that infantry broke and ran. When Dothraki fought disciplined infantry (the Unsullied, for example), the infantry took casualties but could retreat and maintain integrity and mobility. At the Battle of Winterfell, Team Dead’s infantry simply absorbed the greater part of the Dothraki cavalry without breaking and running. This left the cavalry immobile and largely defenseless against attacks from every side. The Dothraki likely did not envision their attack as a suicide charge, but they had limited tools with which to judge the effectiveness of Team Dead.
None of this makes the cavalry charge a good idea. But the mistake was made in the days before the Battle of Winterfell, not in the minutes before the charge. The best employment of the Dothraki would have come as long range scouts and skirmishers in the days before the battle. Even then, however, their utility was limited; cavalry often succeeds by disrupting supply lines and ambushing foraging parties, and Team Dead needed neither of these. And in any case, unless Team Alive spared a dragon for air support, any accumulation of Dothraki would have been vulnerable to Viserion. If the Dothraki had not charged, they would have found themselves pinned against the infantry, their mobility lost. If they had moved right or left in search of Team Dead’s flanks, they would have run the risk of being flanked themselves (Team Dead also had cavalry, and its infantry was fast and fearless) or destroyed by Viserion and the Night King.
At any rate it’s an interesting read on battle.
(Also Arya falls under Team Alive - Special Forces )
If you want to understand why it was so dark and pixelated, per the cinematographer, your TVs suck and you don't know what you're doing:
https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/gam...rapher-dark-battle-of-winterfell-episode.html
Maybe these people need to realize that the VAST majority of viewers are watching on sub $500 TVs (several years old) in normally lit rooms, have no idea what "calibration" even means or that it's even a "thing". Pretty pompous arrogant stance. His (and many other's) job is to create a product that is usable/watchable by the audience. They failed.
The problem wasn't due to cinematography though, it was due to streaming and artifacting that our streaming technology simply can't do anything about yet. It's not feasible to stream at bitrates appropriate for the quality of bluray, both audio and visual, yet.
But hey, at least they "cut the cord" to save money!damn, I didn't realize how many thieves we had that still hung out around here.
Who wants to make a new HBOgo trial account each week?damn, I didn't realize how many thieves we had that still hung out around here.
Who wants to make a new HBOgo trial account each week?
got a job but old habits die hard.it's ~$30 total for 2 months through Amazon or NOW. Get a job, deadbeat.
Plus I guess its pointless to kill the dead army if the night king doesnt turn up. If the battle went badly he could just slink off and raise another one.
On that point everyones opinions on tactics really dont matter. Theres no way to win a battle against a limitless dead army that has your fallen comrades join it.
If you want to understand why it was so dark and pixelated, per the cinematographer, your TVs suck and you don't know what you're doing:
https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/gam...rapher-dark-battle-of-winterfell-episode.html
Maybe these people need to realize that the VAST majority of viewers are watching on sub $500 TVs (several years old) in normally lit rooms, have no idea what "calibration" even means or that it's even a "thing". Pretty pompous arrogant stance. His (and many other's) job is to create a product that is usable/watchable by the audience. They failed.
Battle of Helms Deep from Two Towers was at night AND in the rain and you could follow everything that was going on quite clearly. Should have gotten PJ to direct this episode.
I’ve decided Winterfell needed to put this guy in charge of defending the castle.
Because we know what happens to the dead when he is:
(Edit. Jamie needs a chainsaw hand)
But hey, at least they "cut the cord" to save money!
He might be immune to fire like Dany is.The dragons probably won't follow through with her order because they recognize Jon as a Targaryen.
Now they can release the raw footage that was actually shot in the daytime so everyone can see every flaw and detail. [/sarcasm]
I know tht this wasnt the case with GOT but I have read a lot of night scenes in movies are shot in the daylight and then simulate night with filters.