HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

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Homerboy

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I like the points being made here: https://mashable.com/article/game-of-thrones-bad-plot-twists/
I think it does a good job of simply breaking down how the writing has been dumbed down.

In Season 8, most of the action has been confined to Winterfell and the many, many characters who are stationed there. Since the Battle of Winterfell definitely showed that the Night King’s army of the dead is not Thrones’ endgame, Cersei’s partnership with Euron Greyjoy and the Golden Company emerged as the show’s final bosses — a position that should merit more screen time, not less. The lack of attention paid to Cersei’s machinations and Euron’s character had reduced both of them to one-dimensional villains whose jabs at Jon and Daenerys feel unearned and out of left field.

Something as simple as a small council meeting or a scene where Euron does literally anything besides talk about banging Cersei could have generated dramatic irony for viewers, who would have a better idea of the dangers waiting for Dany and Jon down south. Instead, Euron’s shot at Rhaegal comes as a complete surprise. While it was one of Episode 4’s better moments, the lack of buildup made the dragon’s sudden death a one-off shock instead of a carefully crafted plot twist.

Missandei’s death was treated similarly. It would have been fascinating to see Missandei and Cersei allude to Daenerys’ chain-breaking and city-burning tendencies, but in the end Missandei just disappears from the screen for a few minutes and reemerges in chains at the top of the city gates to die.
 

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woolfe9998

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I like the points being made here: https://mashable.com/article/game-of-thrones-bad-plot-twists/
I think it does a good job of simply breaking down how the writing has been dumbed down.

Disagree with that analysis. Euron's attack was better not telegraphed. Also, Cersei has had plenty of development in earlier seasons. They aren't going to make her anything other than the evil witch she is at this point. Her only supposed nuance is loving her children. Yet she killed her son's wife, causing him to commit suicide, and showed little emotion when he did. Not many redeeming qualities are evident. Not sure what they can do with her at this late stage.

Too bad Missandei had to die. Her hotness will be missed.
 

clamum

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I thought last night's episode was great. More character development type episode than just an action/battle one. And Jamie and Brienne finally bumped uglies ftw. Poor Tormund! lol
 
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Homerboy

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At least the Varys and Tyrion talking about possible things involving what Jon told his family last night was interesting and almost a throwback to the political intrigue that made GoT so good in the earlier seasons.


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Yeap. The problem is they did the same scene with Varys and Tyrion twice in the same episode. That part i did not understand.
 

Dr. Zaus

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So?

Who got shot down harder?!

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Yeap. The problem is they did the same scene with Varys and Tyrion twice in the same episode. That part i did not understand.

Because the song of fire and ice, the final real battle, isn’t dragons vs ice walkers - it’s Danny Vs Jon, and they need to explain carefully - with diagrams and puppets - why we can’t just get them married happily ever after.
 

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Scoring repeated hits (including one through the neck) on targets a thousand feet up from a moving ship is nuts. AA gunners during WWII would have loved to have that kind of accuracy.

Maybe Euron sacrificing one of his silent crew members in a blood magic ritual helped.... too bad that aspect of Euron the book character wasn't kept for the show... even though they had a passing mention of his mute (by removal of tongues) in an earlier episode this season.


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blankslate

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Yeap. The problem is they did the same scene with Varys and Tyrion twice in the same episode. That part i did not understand.
Valid criticism.
I guess the first time was to show Varys's initial reaction and the 2nd time was to show their increasing concern after seeing how Dany reacts to Rhaegal's death by going a bit "mad" but it could easily have been done in one such scene as well.
 

zinfamous

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Yeap. The problem is they did the same scene with Varys and Tyrion twice in the same episode. That part i did not understand.

THIS. they really hammered that too much, and it was basically filler because I guess they wanted to compress more of the fighting into next episode? ...or just sloppy editing. Like, they wrote and filmed two different sequences, then forgot which was which in the editing room and somehow managed to leave both of them in there.

....does explain the Starbucks cup though, maybe. Sloppy.
 

zinfamous

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Because the song of fire and ice, the final real battle, isn’t dragons vs ice walkers - it’s Danny Vs Jon, and they need to explain carefully - with diagrams and puppets - why we can’t just get them married happily ever after.

You're right....which tells me that for the entirety of the series, that sort of ending is just way too compressed at this point. The slow, targeted, but ultimately satisfying slog towards main plot points and, especially, big confrontations through the first ~5 seasons of the series, and we will have the fricking title of the series, quite suddenly, play out from start to beginning, in probably the final episode?

I know we've had little bits and pieces here and there to draw that out, but from the individual character perspectives--this is something that makes very little sense for either of them--and is something they only just learned. Jon, obviously could give two shits about the Iron Throne, and would rather just spend his days porking his Aunt the Queen and no longer killing things. Dany, her reasoning does make sense (no matter what Jon thinks or commands, the mere knowledge among the people that he should be the true king is a real threat to her ambition) but she still has no real motive to get all fighty with the dude that she trusts and loves, just because his existence will mean she can't be the type of Queen she wants to be.

....it's something that could work, but I don't think they have the time to milk the animosity from whatever event to event and make it real, in such a compressed amount of time. Meaning, the normal plotting of this series. Obviously these sort of things can be done in any kind of ~2 hour movie from start to finish, but that is not the pacing in this series, especially with all the remaining plot lines and characters that deserve their fair sendoff. It will always feel rushed.
 
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Homerboy

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The problem with "the song of fire and ice" is that TV viewers are simply not aware of that title. They know it as "Game of Thrones" and nothing more.
And if we've learned anything over the past few seasons, they are not concerned at all with the book readers and are appealing to the masses. So I'm taking stake in the only thing that matters is "THE GAME OF THRONES"
 

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At least we got some decent fan service with the Hound and Arya on the road again and Bronn's scene with Tyrion and Jaime...

Two of the very few improvements that the show made on the books imho...

Yeah I'm just trying to look at the upsides of the show because atm that's really all we have past "A Dance with Dragons"


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blackangst1

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I think most of us when considering Melisandre's prophesy think the last one, green eyes, will be Cersei...but...Dani has green eyes too...After last nights episode Im thinking thats a possibility.
 

Homerboy

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At least we got some decent fan service with the Hound and Arya on the road again and Bronn's scene with Tyrion and Jaime...

Two of the very few improvements that the show made on the books imho...

Yeah I'm just trying to look at the upsides of the show because atm that's really all we have past "A Dance with Dragons"


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I LOVE that The Hound and Arya are on the road again. It was always a great dynamic together though I fear we won't have too many "side adventures. We're just going to see them pop up in KL for CleganeBowl and Arya assumingly going for Cersei.
 
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