HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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I blame Jon for all this since he's being such a naive little tart wrt Dany.

You can't go and make yourself an existential threat, then drag your distrustful, but powerful, family into the circle, then just hope the entitled, paranoid, lonely, jealous, self-aggrandizing dragon woman will just be cool with it all, even when you turn her down from jumping in the sack?

What's his plan? Watch her just marry someone else, be KotN with some other girl, be loyal and hope she doesn't hold a grudge or paranoid thought (unlike she's always done?)

Jon done fked it up and untold #s die bc of him... again. I'm putting him on deathwatch just for being such an idiot, and for a romantic tragedy theme being played here.
Then Arya comes and kills her in revenge. Then it's Queen Sansa or King Gendry or some fkd up permutation and no one's happy, at least the few left alive.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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The problem is that she supposedly had violet eyes in the books.... So wtf?

I don't know if the show just changed it, but a bunch of articles say she has green eyes on the show.

EDIT:

I blame Jon for all this since he's being such a naive little tart wrt Dany.

You can't do anything properly in regard to Dany. She's just crazy... or at least that's how the show paints her. Her complaint to Jon in her room was "They don't love me. They love you. FEAR IT IS!! " I'm just scratching my head and wanting to yell at her, "You idiot! They don't even know you." It's like her character expects people to just hear her name and roll open the red carpet. She doesn't realize it that while Cersei isn't a good person, and has done plenty of terrible things, Cersei hasn't really done anything to affect the average person in King's Landing -- good or bad!
 
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Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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Is it just me or have they really changed some characters in the last little bit. Except for Jon. He's always been an idiot.
Arya: Running through an army of the undead to kill the big baddie of the season. NBD. A few bricks crumbling around here? She flees. It would have been so easy in the map room too. Two quick pokes and done.
Tyrion: Used to be a lot of cunning and intelligence behind his ideas and actions. Now makes mistake after mistake and keeps getting people killed.
Daenerys: Used to try and win the hearts of the oppressed. She didn't even try this time
 
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FerrelGeek

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The problem from last week to this week is that is made Euron and the Iron fleet go from storm troopers in the beginning of Star Wars IV to storm troopers for most of the rest of the movies.

Eh, I think this time she had surprise, angle, and speed. If anything I think reload times and adjustments were made more realistic this episode lol so yes that'd be a Nerf to correct the OP buffs they were first given.

Coming in from nearly straight up in surprise, caused a delay to adjust aims and also might make calibrating shots for the high speed dive downward difficult, plus perhaps easier to dodge? Once she got down low, tore some up then got behind them it was game over at that point. Not to mention when you see so many of your fellow ships getting destroyed so easily, I imagine the pressure gets to cause some coordination issues during reload and aiming.

While Scorpions are highly effective defense weaponry --at least in their day -- they could never keep up high speed flying in a large 3D space surrounding them. Remember that such weapons were never developed as anti-air weaponry, there was nothing that flew. The mechanisms and realities of weaponry before guns of any kind would seem to make them far too cumbersome to truly defend against something equivalent to modern close air support attack aircraft (think: A-10).
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Okay I can no longer defend this season.

Last nights episode was the worst episode of this show by far. It was absolutely terrible and I almost don't give a shit how the show ends at this point.

It's officially jumped the shark to me.
 
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Okay I can no longer defend this season.

Last nights episode was the worst episode of this show by far. It was absolutely terrible and I almost don't give a shit how the show ends at this point.

It's officially jumped the shark to me.

That bad eh?

I thought the worst part with just how Arya was seen so prestigious, smart, and well rounded ruler... Then they go and make her look like an old-hag overnight, taking off the make-up etc..
 

kn51

Senior member
Aug 16, 2012
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Dumb question, who does Arya have left to kill?

This season has been pretty bad all around.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Okay I can no longer defend this season.

Last nights episode was the worst episode of this show by far. It was absolutely terrible and I almost don't give a shit how the show ends at this point.

It's officially jumped the shark to me.

I don't mind that Dany has become the Mad Queen. That has been telegraphed for quite some time and it was pretty obvious it was coming. Remember, though the details will be different, George RR Martin himself gave them the major plot points so this wasn't D&D making stuff up.

The problem I have is that there was no reason - AT ALL - for them to do only 7 episodes last year and 6 episodes this year. HBO wanted 10 episodes both years and was even interested in more seasons. D&D insisting on only 13 episodes spread out over two seasons has resulted in a rushed mess where logic is out the window and they're clearly more interested in cinematography than good story. With an additional 7 episodes, they could've expanded on a lot of these themes and perhaps actually written episodes which were logical and met expectations.

As one article I read this morning said, Dany's sudden and swift turn which resulted in kids and women getting fried was as ridiculous as Anakin Skywalker's fast turn in RotS. They really needed more episodes to explain what happened to her and flesh it out.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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Okay I can no longer defend this season.

Last nights episode was the worst episode of this show by far. It was absolutely terrible and I almost don't give a shit how the show ends at this point.

It's officially jumped the shark to me.

Glad to have you aboard.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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Last night was horrible. So horrible that I've now broken down and read the E6 spoilers (all previous spoilers/leaks were about 99% correct.
I'm not going to ruin anything for anyone, but I'm glad I read the leaks.

It does not get any better
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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Last night was horrible. So horrible that I've now broken down and read the E6 spoilers (all previous spoilers/leaks were about 99% correct.
I'm not going to ruin anything for anyone, but I'm glad I read the leaks.

It does not get any better

My wife was infuriated with the episode last night. I've read some alleged spoilers for Episode 6 as well and I told my wife that if they come to pass (I didn't tell her what they were), she will stroke out in anger. lol
 
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Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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My wife was infuritated with the episode last night. I've read some alleged spoilers for Episode 6 as well and I told my wife that if they come to pass (I didn't tell her what they were), she will stroke out in anger. lol

Are they the "translated" spoilers? If so, those have proven nearly 100% correct thus far for the whole season.
I literally just texted my wife the link to them and she's now furious after reading them.
 
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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Why didn't Dany just destroy the iron fleet in the middle of the night instead of the agreed upon time when the whole city was prepared?

Why wasn't the fleet able to shoot her when they saw her coming directly at them?

Why did she decide to flank them this time instead of doing that 2 episodes ago?

Oh I know why - because there was 2 episodes left last night.

Just so much dumb shit happened in the episode last night.

EDIT:

She probably read Twitter while at Starbucks since the whole internet suggested it after 2 episodes ago.
 

pauldun170

Diamond Member
Sep 26, 2011
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As a veteran of Battle Star Galactica, I'm all "plot armored up" with how this show has turned into a poorly written power point presentation.
Last night's episode probably would have worked better than D&D writing if the following plat points occurred.


Clegane Bowl

Arya list turns into a 15 minute scene of her shopping at the supermarket for gluten free snacks and then breaking into a dance number

Cercei dying of heart attack when attacked by special guest star Bill Murray reprising his role from Ground Hog day.

Jamie Lanister and Euron scene turns into a gay porno complete with J.J. Abrams lens flare.

Tyrion would just continue making sad face while reading his lines from the first 3 seasons off a piece of paper

The rest of the episode could have been this on loop
 

pauldun170

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Sep 26, 2011
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Why didn't Dany just destroy the iron fleet in the middle of the night instead of the agreed upon time when the whole city was prepared?

Why wasn't the fleet able to shoot her when they saw her coming directly at them?

Why did she decide to flank them this time instead of doing that 2 episodes ago?

Oh I know why - because there was 2 episodes left last night.

Just so much dumb shit happened in the episode last night.

EDIT:

She probably read Twitter while at Starbucks since the whole internet suggested it after 2 episodes ago.

From the future blurays extras
Q. Why wasn't the fleet able to shoot her when they saw her coming directly at them?
A. The mechanisms for the ballistas were not properly treated for operation at sea and rusted overnight causing difficulties aiming.

Q. Why did she decide to flank them this time instead of doing that 2 episodes ago?
A. The writers spend about 30 minutes rambling on this one and there is a deleted scene that show her spending all night watching youtube videos on how to complete this level. Thats why she looks so tired when Tyrion talks too her. She was up all night.
 

Jeeebus

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Aug 29, 2006
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Ya... for everyone bitching about the sudden turn to Mad Queen... the Director's Cut of the episode features a 30 second vignette where Emperor Palpatine summons her via hologram and commands her to "execute Order 66."

Boom. Crossover.
 

pauldun170

Diamond Member
Sep 26, 2011
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Ya... for everyone bitching about the sudden turn to Mad Queen... the Director's Cut of the episode features a 30 second vignette where Emperor Palpatine summons her via hologram and commands her to "execute Order 66."

Boom. Crossover.

Confirmed
From a few seasons ago. This was from the VHS release
 

chitwood

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Aug 21, 2008
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This just made Rhaegal's death even fucking stupider than it already was.

E4 = Dragon flying around? Its np, fucking bullseye right through the neck.

E5 = Dragon flying around? Dragon nukes entire fleet of ships, does not get hit even once.

logic = out window
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The problem I have is that there was no reason - AT ALL - for them to do only 7 episodes last year and 6 episodes this year. HBO wanted 10 episodes both years and was even interested in more seasons. D&D insisting on only 13 episodes spread out over two seasons has resulted in a rushed mess where logic is out the window and they're clearly more interested in cinematography than good story. With an additional 7 episodes, they could've expanded on a lot of these themes and perhaps actually written episodes which were logical and met expectations.

Exactly. I was pointing out last night, ahead of the new episode, that the real problem so far, through those first 4 episodes especially, is that none of the characters and their relationships make any kind of sense anymore. It's like--OK, they've all been apart for so many years, and have all become very different people, so when you cram them back together, you do expect some emotion and whatnot...but really none of it makes sense. They are suddenly, thoroughly, emotionally invested in these people that are now very different. After spending multiple seasons developing these character arcs to where they are now, then suddenly mashing them together and expecting them to act in reasonable ways within only a few minutes of screen time, just doesn't make any sense. I honestly don't know why we are supposed to think that people like Jamie and Giant robot walking Knight lady are supposed to feel this sudden attachment to each other. Then of course Jamie goes back to his sister, again, after abandoning her, again, but she needs him, again, and on and on.

It sucks to see them really take their time previously with creating and developing these characters for so many years, to then forcefully limit themselves with a time constraint that more or less makes everything a bit nonsensical in the end.

While it sounds nit-picky, I don't think it really is--but the technical disaster of having those OP instagib scorpions from one episode, that they then didn't use to eliminate the entirety of Dany's army by the end of that episode, as they should have...then watch them get all get instagibed themselves from one dragon the next week is just...tragically weak. At least have a bit more subterfuge in the plan and sneak in a small special forces team to sabotage those things from the inside--neuter them from the beginning. I mean, if fricking Sandor, Arya, and Jamie can all just easily sneak in without anyone GAF ahead of the actual army approaching, then couldn't Tyrion have made that sort of plan all along, you know--knowing exactly how to do this in King's Landing? Hell--he magically had a boat arranged for Jamie to sneak Cersei out, because that makes sense.

Your own fleet is already toast, so why even bother engaging the Iron fleet on the other side of the castle? what can they even do from there? sabotage the Scorpions from the front, deploy the dragon to destroy those walls and the scorpions, out of range of the fleet, force the Iron Fleet to come in and engage on foot from the rear, off their ships, and just decimate them as they do this.
 
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Homerboy

Lifer
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Can we all just take a minute and laugh at Jaime waving his golden hand trying to get past the gates? WTF was that?
 

vi edit

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I hate being on the bandwagon...but I'm there. This season is a speed run of chaos and just a forced mess of lazy tactics, on/off plot devices and just stupid character "growth". I want to be objective about how this is wrapping up. But after 8 years of growth with all of the intrigue and subterfuge, we just have battle porn and empty shells of characters.
 
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