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beginner99

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The thing is if not 80-90% of each episode were battles or useless fluff like the Araya and horse scene being like waaaay too long for no reason, there would actually be time for finishing up character arches properly. But that problem started way back in season 7 or 6.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
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I'm coming around to thinking that, no, GRRM may not be the maverick of darling killing. From the name of the novel series (A Song of Ice and Fire) to the telegraphed story arches for both Dany and Jon, I think those were his ultimate darlings. I don't know if it was in the novels (I would expect it to be) but Jon getting a reprieve from death certainly seems to, in hindsight, give weight to that idea.

It is absolutely clear that the God of Fire is George himself - is how he intervenes in his own story when characters need to live, or die, or hear something.

Jon died because Jon was doing what his character should - George brought him back.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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I blame Jon for all this since he's being such a naive little tart wrt Dany.

You can't go and make yourself an existential threat, then drag your distrustful, but powerful, family into the circle, then just hope the entitled, paranoid, lonely, jealous, self-aggrandizing dragon woman will just be cool with it all, even when you turn her down from jumping in the sack?

What's his plan? Watch her just marry someone else, be KotN with some other girl, be loyal and hope she doesn't hold a grudge or paranoid thought (unlike she's always done?)

Jon done fked it up and untold #s die bc of him... again. I'm putting him on deathwatch just for being such an idiot, and for a romantic tragedy theme being played here.
Then Arya comes and kills her in revenge. Then it's Queen Sansa or King Gendry or some fkd up permutation and no one's happy, at least the few left alive.

He may not be Eddard's son, but he sure acts like him. Blindly trusting people to conform to your idea of societal norms hasn't worked out for any Stark.
 
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Dr. Zaus

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http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/

"Saw the new Avengers movie last night. ENDGAME is amazing. Kudos to the writers and director. I cannot believe they got all those characters into one film, and still managed to do them all justice. The final battle was epic, exciting, thrilling, full of twists and turns… and strangely beautiful. But the character scenes earlier in the film really made it for me. "
 

Zeze

Lifer
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Game of Thrones Patch 8.5 Notes:

-Reduced damage and accuracy of scorpions.
-Drogon's fire breath damage, flight speed and stamina increased.

Dont forget...

- Plot armor of divinity (+99 armor & hp cannot go lower than 2%) expired for following characters:

Everyone.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
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Season 8-6 Plot twist 1: Dany fell off Drogon after the bells rang

Plot twist 2: Damage to Kings Landing spells “DROGON WUZ HERE”
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Overall I liked ep5, and (whistling past some inconsistencies from the impact of ep3) thought the battle strategy was the best of the entire season.

I'm fine with the dragon being super powered.
A. It's a dragon, and they should be f'ing awesome
B. Zombie Dragon did blow the crap out of The Wall with a few puffs, so it's not like we haven't seen this before.

Overall best display of dragon power I've ever seen on film.

My biggest annoyance is at Jon, but he's been a tart for a while, so it's not really out of character. It's who he is. Choosing not to play the game is deciding to lose. That's why Sansa's always frustrated with him.

I hate to forget about the Lord of Light. I wonder if he protects Jon just to watch everything burn. If so, mission accomplished.

Wrt Dany...

So many people want her to be some feminist heroine, or virtuous ruler.. something something.. Putting all these metoo era values on her.

Really, she's been entirely vengeful, murderous and cruel as any at different points. Yes, she's freed slaves and some oppressed peoples, but at huge cost. It's not entirely a given this wasn't just it's own power play rather than genuine altruism.
At the end, she gets her fierce foreign army, barbarian cavalry and unmatched air power to come and invade her old homeland.

After a series of distractions, lost opportunities, betrayals and harrowing losses, she ends up outside the gates of the Red Keep for the final battle.

Ok, so is her turn to apocalypse really that surprising?

The theme of season 8 is her as an increasingly embittered, isolated commander of a foreign military in a foreign land where the native people don't see her as one of them and regard her suspiciously.

All her closest advisors and friends are dead. Many have betrayed her, either through passive naivete (Jon, Tyrion) or intentional plotting (Varys plot string; maybe Sansa, Tyrion if she finds out.)

On top, word is quickly spreading that she isn't even the rightful heir, beloved hometown Messiah Jon is.

So what choices are left to her?
That's what I read her long pause atop the perched dragon as the bells rang was to ponder.

She won the battle, alone and faceless on her dragon, but beloved Jon is down on the street with the men, accepting the Lannister surrender.

What's next? He bends the knee and they all follow, even tho she is a foreigner and not the heir? Her foreign barbarians will be welcomed as liberators? Allow Varys' whispers to continue to spread, but hopefully ignored?

That's the love path, which was rejected. She said she chose fear to Jon, as it truly was the only way she gets the throne and keeps it.

So she burns out all the whispers, the questioners, the doubters and starts all over with her people as the new people of Westeros. She utterly defeated everyone in battle, why back down now and let politics defeat her?
 
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dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Overall I liked ep5, and (whistling past some inconsistencies from the impact of ep3) thought the battle strategy was the best of the entire season.

I'm fine with the dragon being super powered.
A. It's a dragon, and they should be f'ing awesome
B. Zombie Dragon did blow the crap out of The Wall with a few puffs, so it's not like we haven't seen this before.

Overall best display of dragon power I've ever seen on film.

My biggest annoyance is at Jon, but he's been a tart for a while, so it's not really out of character. It's who he is. Choosing not to play the game is deciding to lose. That's why Sansa's always frustrated with him.

I hate to forget about the Lord of Light. I wonder if he protects Jon just to watch everything burn. If so, mission accomplished.

Wrt Dany...

So many people want her to be some feminist heroine, or virtuous ruler.. something something.. Putting all these metoo era values on her.

Really, she's been entirely, vengeful, murderous and cruel as any at different points. Yes, she's freed slaves and some oppressed peoples, but at huge cost. It's not entirely a given this wasn't just it's own power play rather than genuine altruism.
At the end, she gets her fierce foreign army, barbarian cavalry and unmatched air power to come and invade her old homeland.

After a series of distractions, lost opportunities, betrayals and harrowing losses, she ends up outside the gates of the Red Keep for the final battle.

Ok, so is her turn to apocalypse really that surprising?

The theme of season 8 is her as an increasingly embittered, isolated commander of a foreign military in a foreign land where the native people don't see her as one of them and regard her suspiciously.

All her closest advisors and friends are dead. Many have betrayed her, either through passive naivete (Jon) or intentional plotting (Varys plot string; maybe Sansa.)

On top, word is quickly spreading that she isn't even the rightful heir, beloved hometown Messiah Jon is.

So what choices are left to her?
That's what I read her long pause atop the perched dragon as the bells rang was to ponder.

She won the battle, alone and faceless on her dragon, but beloved Jon is down on the street with the men, accepting the Lannister surrender.

What's next? He bends the knee and they all follow, even tho she is a foreigner and not the heir? Allow Varys' whispers to continue to spread? Her barbarians will be welcomed as liberators?

That's the love path, which was rejected. She said she chose fear to Jon, as it truly was the only way she gets the throne.

So she burns out all the whispers, the questioners, the doubters and starts all over with her people as the new people of Westeros. She utterly defeated everyone in battle, why back down now and let politics defeat her?

I liked her nuking the city. Go easy, and you're fighting smaller battles all over the place, with perhaps even more people getting killed. If some lord or another gets ideas of resisting, visions of his castle getting melted down around his head will put those to rest. War sucks, better to end it and make sure it stays ended.

The same effect could have been achieved if she'd just destroyed the red keep, but she HAS had a pretty bad few weeks. Hopefully it's out of her system.
 

FerrelGeek

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Yep. Storm troopers in the beginning of Star Wars 4 vs pretty much the rest of 4-7.

This just made Rhaegal's death even fucking stupider than it already was.

E4 = Dragon flying around? Its np, fucking bullseye right through the neck.

E5 = Dragon flying around? Dragon nukes entire fleet of ships, does not get hit even once.

logic = out window
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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I liked her nuking the city. Go easy, and you're fighting smaller battles all over the place, with perhaps even more people getting killed. If some lord or another gets ideas of resisting, visions of his castle getting melted down around his head will put those to rest. War sucks, better to end it and make sure it stays ended.

The same effect could have been achieved if she'd just destroyed the red keep, but she HAS had a pretty bad few weeks. Hopefully it's out of her system.

Ask the question in reverse, why keep any of them around?

IRL, the Mongols were, in part, so successful as they tricked cities into surrendering, then proceeded to behead the entire population once they opened their gates and dropped weapons.
Why? So no one was left to oppose them and avenge the loses.

At every turn, nearly to a man, the Westrosi betrayed her. Even Jaime crawled back to pass her lines and return to treacherous Cersei.

Which Lord or Noble will surrender his castle and lands to her generals, Grey Worm and the Khals so they could make a new home? Tarlys weren't interested.

Or she could destroy all the opposing Lords and their people right there, and start over with her loyal people.
 
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dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Ask the question in reverse, why keep any of them around?

IRL, the Mongols were, in part, so successful as they tricked cities into surrendering, then proceeded to behead the entire population once they opened their gates and dropped weapons.
Why? So no one was left to oppose them and avenge the loses.

At every turn, nearly to a man, the Westrosi betrayed her. Even Jaime crawled back to pass her loves and return to treacherous Cersei.

Which Lord or Noble will surrender his castle and lands to her generals, Grey Worm and the Khals so they could make a new home? Tarlys weren't interested.

Or she could destroy all the opposing Lords and their people right there, and start over with her loyal people.

She already has a decent start with Lords Gendry, Bronn and (maybe) Tyrion.

I was thrilled when she stopped listening to Tyrion. I don't know if he's past his prime or what, but all the advice he gave worked out pretty terribly for her (pretty much since he told her to go after Casterly Rock).
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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My prediction for Ep 6.

Drogon dies by Jon's hand, through some BS/ Targaryen power

Dany kills Jon and Tyrion, Arya avenges Jon and kills Dany, and the Starks (Sansa) takes the throne.

IDK about Gendry. Maybe he marries Sansa since he's the heir and Arya doesn't want him or it.

Brienne runs back to Tormund and they make giant babies.

Bran stays weird.
 

local

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Jun 28, 2011
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The dragon fire made very thick castle walls explode but only lit weak ass people on fire. Those people should have been straight up vaporized. This annoys me more than it should.

And we strongly dislike Dany in our house, she is only just now becoming interesting.
 

zinfamous

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The dragon fire made very thick castle walls explode but only lit weak ass people on fire. Those people should have been straight up vaporized. This annoys me more than it should.

And we strongly dislike Dany in our house, she is only just now becoming interesting.

the standard "Fire breath" used to vaporize humans is just the auto skill; aka your slot 1 skill.

"Wall Blast" is your epic skill that requires a full rage meter to activate and comes with a 60s cd.
 
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Paratus

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So why the hell didn’t this happen in episode 8-4

Tyrion: Bran you can see the past yes?

Bran: Yes (stares uncomfortably)

Tyrion: What did Euron and the Queen discuss about defending Kings Landing?

Bran: They have mounted large ballista on both the Iron Fleet and and the walls of Kings Landing. The Lannister Armies and Golden Company stand ready to defend Kings Landing. The Iron Fleet is to ambush our navy on the way to Kings Landing

Tyrion: Where are they now?

Bran: (Wargs into seagulls, Eyes roll back into his head, drools on chin) They are hiding behind an island east of Kings Landing.

Tyrion: Right. The Queen and Jon should mount the dragons and attack the iron fleet from the direction of the sun or we wait until a moonless night and attack then.

Greyworm and a select few will infiltrate Kings Landing through a passage I know about from my time defending the City. One group will open the gates as our armies and dragons hit the front while another group will infiltrate the Red Keep and capture my sister alive and bring her to the queen. Lastly a group will ring the bells to indicate the city has surrendered. The shock and awe of our attack coupled with the confusion of the bells and the loss of Cersei to command should allow us to take the city quickly with minimal casualties.

Bran: I’m going now.

Tyrion: (wrinkles nose) someone bring Lord Stark a chamber pot.

Finé
 
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local

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the standard "Fire breath" used to vaporize humans is just the auto skill; aka your slot 1 skill.

"Wall Blast" is your epic skill that requires a full rage meter to activate and comes with a 60s cd.

Yes, it all makes sense now.

The respawing.
The unbeatable boss mobs that die easily to one QTE scene.
The fast traveling, seems like all points on the map have been unlocked now.
Cutscenes that have no other purpose than to have two characters glare at each other.
The bad guy making stupid mistakes and not killing their enemies when they have the chance.
Characters stumbling through areas that no one should survive to show off cool effects.

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