yup~!
in ep4, euron was an Olympic level archer who couldn't miss.
in ep5, he was a star wars storm trooper who couldn't hit the side of a barn from the inside!
why only 1 or 2 scorpions firing at Dany from the fleet of 50+ ships?
Cersai's death has also been disappointing.
what was the witch's prediction about her death?
and season 8, ep3-5 has been disappointing.
in the series finale, I predict jon snow killing Dany.
then he'll execute Sansa for betraying him.
then take the iron throne.
but is there still an iron throne or has it been melted by Drogan?
I don't see why people are shitting on the show so much. The fault lies (IMO) with GRRM. Yes, the writing has been worse in the last two seasons. However, GRRM clearly did not meet his end of the deal. D&D did not sign up to write a fantasy novel, but to re-imagine ASOIAF for a TV series. GRRM has released only one book since 2005, and zero since 2011 (and counting). It's clear that he wrote himself into a corner, and D&D had to take whatever they had and finish whatever GRRM left them, while only having a very rough outline and the ending.
They had to face the same issues that he had, and they actually delivered an ending. Instead of adding more irrelevant plot lines
lady Stoneheart, Brienne's travels, the Aegon plot line etc
or worrying about timelines and making sure everything 100% makes sense, they've decided to just get to the ending. They certainly could have done it better, and they've definitely thrown common sense out of the window a few times for shock effect (Rhaegal, Euron and the whole Scorpions plot line, the crypt, the stupidity of Varys and Tyrion, although Tyrion has been badly written in the last books as well IMO) but they had to do whatever they could to finish things promptly, as they had to meet their deadlines, and I think they've done a decent job.
As an unpopular opinion, I kind of liked the fact that Cersei dies unceremoniously, frightened and scared, without some super assassin or whatever killing her, after seeing everything she worked for getting destroyed (clearly she overplayed her hand...).
I just heard last night while watching some YT vid that HBO actually offered D&D more money for extra episodes but they turned HBO down.
So at this point I think we can blame these 2 for what I believe we can all say is at least a disappointing final go for this show. Some may say it's still a "good" season (many of us don't) but I think it's almost universally agreed that this season is not living up to all the hype.
Regardless of what GRRM did or didn't do, this season needed to be expanded into at least 2, if not 3 more years. D&D rushed about 30 episodes worth of character development and plot pay off into just 6. I think the most upsetting thing to me was just how fast Dany turned from the liberator/savior into full on murder queen mode. Yes the signs were sort of there based on comments she had made in prior seasons, but I don't think it's good story telling to turn her into a what is now essentially the main villain in just 1 episode. The whole build up of the Golden Company?? LOL what a joke.
We spent like 6 seasons convinced the NK was the true antagonist, only to be GRRM'ed last second when he's killed. Then we all go OH WAIT DUHHH IT WAS CERSEI ALL ALONG!! only to have her fizzle away, whimpering like a baby in the Red Keep.
Not only has the story telling gone haywire but the writing is lazy and weird. Ep 4, I forget what they are officially called, but the dragon killing crossbows were feaking OP as hell. 3/3 snipes off a boat on Rhaegal like it's a .50 cal rifle. Ep5, they are literally useless and Dany destorys the ENTIRE Iron Fleet and the King's Landing crossbows like they are mere toys.
It's truly sad to me because it's going to tarnish the legacy of this show but possibly the books, too.
I wonder if they submitted their treatment of Seasons 7 and 8 to Disney when they were approached for the gig, back whenever, and Disney was all gaga over their observable destruction of previously-rich characters and wide story arcs into relatively mindless, plot-forced actors and beat-driven story telling that forces as much action and ra ra ra ra as possible onto the screen in an orgy of brainless, ticket-selling mayhem?
I can see why Disney was eager to work with them.
It's not that the events going on season 7 and 8 are "bad" or "sucks because it's not what should happen": it's that the characters are no longer acting like themselves in such a way to make it reasonable. Yes, this thing needed maybe ~5 or 6 more episodes over the last two seasons to properly do it justice....and that is something that I never say.
I wouldn't go that far. I'd just let them know that, like most shows, the final season, and the end resolution is in no way going to live up to expectations.
The first 6 seasons are well worth the time invested. Some of the best TV that TV has to offer.
It definitely feels rushed, but I am ok with that given that I feel the creators were never up to the task of actually creating vs adapting. HBO should have recognized that and given them the support they needed or replace them when it came time. Having these two guys be responsible for trying to maintain what they started with would have been a slow terrible descent into not caring anymore.
I am disappointed but fine with the NK death, wanted something with a bit more substance. I was hoping for a rout from Winterfell
Cersi's death is perfectly acceptable to me. She died scared, powerless and in the dark. She knew death was coming and there was nothing she could do about it, that sucks way more than sudden insta death. Besides, I liked her way more than dragon girl and felt no need for revenge satisfaction.
Cersi's death is perfectly acceptable to me. She died scared, powerless and in the dark. She knew death was coming and there was nothing she could do about it, that sucks way more than sudden insta death. Besides, I liked her way more than dragon girl and felt no need for revenge satisfaction.
but but but Maggie the Witch's prophecy:
"And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
Maggie got it right about cersai's 3 children.
then the showrunners just threw everything remaining out the window for ep3-5
but but but Maggie the Witch's prophecy:
"And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
Maggie got it right about cersai's 3 children.
then the showrunners just threw everything remaining out the window for ep3-5
Never read the books and don't remember that particular line in the show. Looked it up and no, that line was left off the prophecy in the show so they can do whatever they want in this regard.
However, looking it up it apparently it means "younger sibling", one could make the argument that Tyrion's actions led to the sequence of events where her power was cutoff and she died crying in that basement. It wouldn't be a very good argument but it would be difficult to prove false. Another version is that since Jamie is the younger sibling him bringing her to that spot resulted in her death by crushing while crying or him leaving led her into the current situation as he would have had a different plan of defense, etc. Prophecies are easy to manipulate.
also, Jaime getting stabbed twice in the torso by a foot long dagger at the caves yet is able to walk all the way to the Red Keep, get cersai, then walk down the stairs under the red keep.
all the while bleeding.
Cerci needed to say she aborted the baby and Jamie needed to strangle her just as they are about to make it out - killing them both.
Danny needed to feel like she wasn't going to win without the dragon; or like the people of kings landing were fighting her; some justification - from HER perspective - for the action; even if it involved some annoying dramatic irony.
We needed exactly one volley of dozens of Scorpions not being able to aim up properly.
Grey Worm needed to see the guy leading the charge/surrender was the same as the executioner.
Honestly, another 2 min justifying a bunch of behaviors would have kept the audience onboard.
Never read the books and don't remember that particular line in the show. Looked it up and no, that line was left off the prophecy in the show so they can do whatever they want in this regard.
However, looking it up it apparently it means "younger sibling", one could make the argument that Tyrion's actions led to the sequence of events where her power was cutoff and she died crying in that basement. It wouldn't be a very good argument but it would be difficult to prove false. Another version is that since Jamie is the younger sibling him bringing her to that spot resulted in her death by crushing while crying or him leaving led her into the current situation as he would have had a different plan of defense, etc. Prophecies are easy to manipulate.
Danny needed to feel like she wasn't going to win without the dragon; or like the people of kings landing were fighting her; some justification - from HER perspective - for the action; even if it involved some annoying dramatic irony.
Dany wanted them to fight, she wanted an excuse for a blood bath. When that didn't happen she finally made the decision she should have made years ago, be a dragon. This is pretty much what Aegon did when he nuked Harrenhal. She had been fed a line of crap all her life about how the people wanted her family back. When she saw the truth and saw those people hiding behind the people that killed her dragon and friend she snapped. This is what she should have done 5 minutes after arriving, burn King's Landing to the ground then ask if anyone had any questions.
But why? Seems like the dragon still stayed close to the ground so elevation was irrelevant. I was however expecting more emplacements on the red keep itself.
Grey Worm wanted to kill every last one of them. Nothing that I can remember ever said he was a good person. He obeyed commands and loved a girl. When he saw his Queen go a murdering he joined in, perfectly acceptable to me.
The books are still the source and its become apparently clear that the showrunners had no idea how to get to the ending without the books to guide them.
The books are still the source and its become apparently clear that the showrunners had no idea how to get to the ending without the books to guide them.
Agreed but if that is the standard for complaints then no one will ever be happy. But as for the point at hand I have seen several not all that reaching arguments online saying that the prophecy has indeed been fulfilled just not in the throttling kind of way most people were expecting.
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