HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

[Sonikku]

I think he's referring to the war elephants that the Golden Company couldn't bring over on the ships to fight for Cersei. So, they're just chilling and having a grand time.

 

[Maxima1]

I really don't like the writing after E3.

Just think about it.. Daenerys has helped the north and lost a large part of her army and Sansa and Arya don't trust her? What a joke!

I found it beyond stupid that we didn't get to see the sisters' reactions to the revelation about Jon.

 

[destrekor]

I'm picturing a scene where Dany tries to use her dragon to burn Jon for not giving her the D but it turns out he's fireproof like she is, at which point the tables turn.

I'm very much expecting such a scene. He offends her madness in some way, she commands Drogon to burn him but nothing comes from that. Drogon might be loyal to her, but there was that curious scene where Drogon might have even sniffed him out. Perhaps Drogon can turn in the end - but I also kind of suspect that Jon will not want that at all, won't want to have dragons around after seeing what they can be truly capable of doing. But he might end up being the last Targaryen?

 

[zinfamous]

I think the finale will be Dany and Jon basically killing each other over the body of a slain Drogon, some lame-ass Hollywood crap, then cut to a live shot of RR Martin dude diabeetus'ng himself to death somehow, IRL, followed by a message confirming that no further books will ever be released, nor will any authors be allowed to touch this IP in perpetuity.

Take that, bitches.

 

[Newbian]

I think the finale will be Dany and Jon basically killing each other over the body of a slain Drogon, some lame-ass Hollywood crap, then cut to a live shot of RR Martin dude diabeetus'ng himself to death somehow, IRL, followed by a message confirming that no further books will ever be released, nor will any authors be allowed to touch this IP in perpetuity.

Take that, bitches.

Hot pie will be declared king because of his great bread recipes and rule over the kingdom.

 

[Bitek]

Yes. It's definitely implied that Varys is trying to poison her there. Its the weapon of eunuchs after all.

Nah. Sansa is still little bird and little dove. XD She stays in Winterfell. I think it's going to be Bran. Jon will still adamantly not want it. Jon will live if only to pass on Longclaw for future generations.



I think Jon will kill her by pretending that he understands her. Not gruesome. Just a stab.



Little bird? No way. Jon has a lot of responsibility in this himself.



lmao. I have a feeling the dragon will not be happy when Jon kills Dany.



Tyrion is like Sam. I don't believe they'll kill him off. He'll be imprisoned but find the narrlative helps him cheat death once again.

I was taking to someone about GOT, and they brought up Tyrion is part Targaryen, and recalled some scenes from earlier seasons where the dragons were accepting of him. I think it was in the dungeons in Mereen, but I don't recall exactly.

He's betting that Tyrion takes the throne.
Interesting. Part of his rationale also was that brains typically won over brawn, ...but less so in the last couple seasons.

I'll buy it, and pair it with him taking Sansa as queen. Why not.

Jon and Dany are dead mofos still. Big civil war, lots dead, but somehow the dwarf escapes once again.

Interesting.

 

[Skel]

Yes. It's definitely implied that Varys is trying to poison her there. Its the weapon of eunuchs after all.

Nah. Sansa is still little bird and little dove. XD She stays in Winterfell. I think it's going to be Bran. Jon will still adamantly not want it. Jon will live if only to pass on Longclaw for future generations.



I think Jon will kill her by pretending that he understands her. Not gruesome. Just a stab.



Little bird? No way. Jon has a lot of responsibility in this himself.



lmao. I have a feeling the dragon will not be happy when Jon kills Dany.



Tyrion is like Sam. I don't believe they'll kill him off. He'll be imprisoned but find the narrlative helps him cheat death once again.

How was it implied?? I kept thinking I missed something until I watched it again. Nothing in that first scene said anything that would make someone jump out and say poison other than people trying to explain away the show for it. We knew Dany was depressed over her dragon dying. At most this would mean to most people that she was a wreak over it.

 

[Ichinisan]

NSFW:

 

[zinfamous]

How was it implied?? I kept thinking I missed something until I watched it again. Nothing in that first scene said anything that would make someone jump out and say poison other than people trying to explain away the show for it. We knew Dany was depressed over her dragon dying. At most this would mean to most people that she was a wreak over it.

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Yeah so that exchange pretty clearly and non-cryptically means he was trying to poison her. There is no point to it otherwise.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I was taking to someone about GOT, and they brought up Tyrion is part Targaryen, and recalled some scenes from earlier seasons where the dragons were accepting of him. I think it was in the dungeons in Mereen, but I don't recall exactly.

He's betting that Tyrion takes the throne.
Interesting. Part of his rationale also was that brains typically won over brawn, ...but less so in the last couple seasons.

I'll buy it, and pair it with him taking Sansa as queen. Why not.

Jon and Dany are dead mofos still. Big civil war, lots dead, but somehow the dwarf escapes once again.

Interesting.

The books definitely hint that Tyrion is the son of Aerys and that Joanna Lannister was his mistress.

Also, Jon, Daenerys and Tyrion...all of their mothers died during childbirth.

 

[destrekor]

Yeah so that exchange pretty clearly and non-cryptically means he was trying to poison her. There is no point to it otherwise.

Honestly, while watching it, I didn't get that at all. He was obviously writing to spread the word of Jon, and he covered it up and kept it covered while the girl was in the room -- I took that to just mean she was the kitchen help reporting to him about his otherwise normal work duties - being an adviser to the Queen and looking after her health. He'd have to keep up those appearances even if he had little intent to honor them at this point.

Now after re-reading the exchange, it would make little sense to remark about risk, reward, and Soldiers watching the kitchen help. If that was *not* intended to be a reference to a poison plot, then that's inexcusably bad writing on the part of the show. So bad even the worst writing moments of GOT would pale in comparison, not even remotely close. I just can't see it, that was definitely an effort to poison being discussed.

Now I would say the show really botched that plot line. It should have been carried further. Maybe it'll resurface in the finale but I'm not holding my breath. Varys would be the mastermind and I can't see it being carried out further, but perhaps the plot is already quite deep and many are already involved.
Killing Varys so early in that plot just doesn't do it any justice, if he was destined to die at least let his plot be discovered with him at the helm. Maybe it still gets carried out but that's a more worthwhile story arch at least, where they think they defended against an assassination attempt and cut the head off the snake.

At this point I'm more about enjoying the beautiful and visceral ride, but I can't say this final season is leaving me satisfied for this story. I may very well have to at least read the final books. Maybe after having seen the series I'll be able to breeze through the first book and hopefully get addicted enough to read the whole series but at this point, after being let down by the show, I think I gotta wait to start until GRRM actually finishes the damn thing. At this point that's not even guaranteed - and while an author perishing before finishing their final achievement is nothing new, I can't get emotionally invested in this series to have a total lack of conclusion TWICE.

 

[purbeast0]

lol.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

How was it implied?? I kept thinking I missed something until I watched it again. Nothing in that first scene said anything that would make someone jump out and say poison other than people trying to explain away the show for it. We knew Dany was depressed over her dragon dying. At most this would mean to most people that she was a wreak over it.

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That is very obviously a reference to Varys trying to poison her:

1. It was established long ago that poison is the preferred tool of Varys and eunuchs.
2. The risk/reward line gives it away. If he is just asking the servant to report on Dany’s eating habits or state of mind, there is no reason for that line at all.

Where the show failed IMO was explaining Varys’ execution. At the surface, he didn’t do anything that Tyrion didn’t already do, so why wasn’t Tyrion executed too? Off-screen, I think we have to conclude that some of his messages were intercepted or more likely, his poison plot was uncovered.

 

[zinfamous]

Honestly, while watching it, I didn't get that at all. He was obviously writing to spread the word of Jon, and he covered it up and kept it covered while the girl was in the room -- I took that to just mean she was the kitchen help reporting to him about his otherwise normal work duties - being an adviser to the Queen and looking after her health. He'd have to keep up those appearances even if he had little intent to honor them at this point.

Now after re-reading the exchange, it would make little sense to remark about risk, reward, and Soldiers watching the kitchen help. If that was *not* intended to be a reference to a poison plot, then that's inexcusably bad writing on the part of the show. So bad even the worst writing moments of GOT would pale in comparison, not even remotely close. I just can't see it, that was definitely an effort to poison being discussed.

Now I would say the show really botched that plot line. It should have been carried further. Maybe it'll resurface in the finale but I'm not holding my breath. Varys would be the mastermind and I can't see it being carried out further, but perhaps the plot is already quite deep and many are already involved.
Killing Varys so early in that plot just doesn't do it any justice, if he was destined to die at least let his plot be discovered with him at the helm. Maybe it still gets carried out but that's a more worthwhile story arch at least, where they think they defended against an assassination attempt and cut the head off the snake.

At this point I'm more about enjoying the beautiful and visceral ride, but I can't say this final season is leaving me satisfied for this story. I may very well have to at least read the final books. Maybe after having seen the series I'll be able to breeze through the first book and hopefully get addicted enough to read the whole series but at this point, after being let down by the show, I think I gotta wait to start until GRRM actually finishes the damn thing. At this point that's not even guaranteed - and while an author perishing before finishing their final achievement is nothing new, I can't get emotionally invested in this series to have a total lack of conclusion TWICE.

A servant girl in proximity to Dany and her kitchen/food staff wouldn't be involved in spreading the word about John. She is there, with maybe 4 or 5 other people, close to Dany. What else could she be worried about?

Also important to remember Robert's wine boy/Cersei's incest cousin, his wine carafe, and her method of poisoning her drunkard husband. I know writing has been mediocre in this show recently, but having one of Varys' helpers holding a wine/beverage carafe and concerned about risk and danger while being tasked with serving Dany is...kinda on the nose.

 

[PlanetJosh]

I too think Kit will kill the dragon which results in Emilia dying of a broken heart. Kit wins the Game. Those aren't their real character names but it's all just a script. And it uses the same tricks that action films have been using since the 1920s: bad guys springing up from near death to continue their deeds and good guys springing up from near death to continue fighting the bad guys.

It's like no one in show business believes in using the double tap to make sure characters are actually killed as in really dead. But that's too hard to incorporate into a good script I guess. Need to take a lesson from the list of rules in Zombieland. Not that that movie doesn't lapse into using some of the same dumb tricks too.

 

[purbeast0]

I kind of hope in an "internet meltdown" kind of way that Dany tries to kill Jon with a dragon and he's immune to the fire, and then he kills her. Man oh man that would make me LOL so damn hard and facepalm at the same time, then run to the internet for the lulz.

 

[Exterous]

Now that's a sentence I have never seen constructed before.

And you're worried about watching TV?! On a fucking cruise?!
What, you go on 10 of them a year, dragged kicking and screaming? lol

Hey - one of the best memories of MNF I have is on a cruise ship. All kinds of bar food I could keep ordering and reasonably priced beer (relative to a popular bar). Assuming they have HBO that is

 

[purbeast0]

Hey - one of the best memories of MNF I have is on a cruise ship. All kinds of bar food I could keep ordering and reasonably priced beer (relative to a popular bar). Assuming they have HBO that is

My wife and I watched GoT last weekend on vacation down in the Keys after we had a great mother's day dinner at a fine dining restaurant. We also met this couple that was sitting right next to us that is from around where we are, and they too were going to watch it lol.

 

[blankslate]

The action centerpiece of the final episode is on the same platform where Ned was beheaded only now we have Dany and Greyworm standing over a kneeling Jon.

Dany asks "Dear Nephew do you have any last words?"

Jon stares stoicly ahead...

Dany forcibly kiss Jon then hisses "All you had to do was keep your talented mouth shut."

Dany Nods at Greyworm because Drogon has a sore throat after burning the whole city.

As Greyworm raises his spear behind Jon's back a giant bolt decapitates Greyworm and the camera pans to Arya mid leap in the air with a giant repeating Scorpion on her shoulder.

While Arya is mowing down redshirts around the stage Jon leaps up and tucks his knees to his chest and brings his hands underneath his feet so that when he lands he can fight even though his hands are tied.

It is a massacre... after Hotpie is made king Jon goes north



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[microAmp]

Well, my wife guessed right who would end up with the iron throne.

 

[blankslate]

Dany FTW


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[zinfamous]

Dany FTW


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Oh you.

 

[Exterous]

So I guess that's an ending

Spoiler

But Bran? Really?

Also why do they need a Night's Watch any more anyway? Just to get rid of unplanned kids?

 

[evident]

Well the ending was better than the Lost finale, and Dexters

 

[Starbuck1975]

WTF