It's questionable that either of these characters actually died, as opposed to just saved from near death. Not so questionable with Jon or Beric.
Kal Drogo was resurrected, but into a catatonic state. It was shown in the first season that it was possible, but the process could be poisoned if either the sorcerer/ess wanted it so, or perhaps depending on the method/type of magic/type, or of person being brought back.
Also, with the Mountain: another person brought back from the dead in an essentially crude but functional manner. The knowledge to do it seems to have long existed in that world and is accessible by those who seek it out, but caution: results may vary.
Hey, did you guys notice that Roose Bolton was murdered? anyone? hmm.
By the way, since when did Old man Greyjoy have a long lost brother that could both be long lost and suddenly return to commit some murder (that for some reason needed to happen immediately because the writers say so) as if we were all familiar with and anticipating long lost brother to return?
Please tell me he at least appeared in some scene in season 2 or 3, even if only through discussion. This seems to be a worse story moment than the sand ladies showing up in King's Landing for reasons (OK, it's even worse than all of the Sand women--except that one's boobs).....
Pycelle isn't using magic (or very little) and doesn't have a full grasp of how to do it, however he does know how to make them stronger.
It's questionable that either of these characters actually died, as opposed to just saved from near death. Not so questionable with Jon or Beric.
That wasn't Pycelle. That was Qyburn, aka the Half-Maester. He was tossed out of the Citadel before he completed his chain for his early study of Necromancy.
Ramsay has screwed up, big time. He cited the Karstarks, Umbers and Manderlys in his corner.
Umm - young Lord Karstark is still pissed that Robb beheaded his dad, but the Karstarks and the Starks are cousins and go back thousands of years. They are a splinter off the original Stark lineage.
The Umbers are Stark supporters. The Manderlys hate the Boltons. The Tullys already hated him.
And now Ramsay has probably pissed off Walder Frey, and Peter Baelish would push the Vale behind Sansa too. Finally, if word gets out that he killed Roose, the Boltons will turn on Ramsay too. He is literally the most despised man in the North. Dumb, dumb play.
He is gonna get his.
Similar situation for Cersei. I think that she is gonna get revenge in KL, but Dorne (not just Ellaria and the awful Sand Snakes, the whole damn army) is gonna show up and deliver a knockout blow to the Lannisters. The only question there is which side the Tyrells take. They historically hate the Martells/Dorne, but they are currently pissed at Cersei.
Short version: there's gonna be a reckonin'.
Also, I think Melisandre is gonna rediscover her faith in her new Azor Ahai - Jon Snow.
Finally, if word gets out that he killed Roose, the Boltons will turn on Ramsay too.
Ramsay has screwed up, big time. He cited the Karstarks, Umbers and Manderlys in his corner.
Umm - young Lord Karstark is still pissed that Robb beheaded his dad, but the Karstarks and the Starks are cousins and go back thousands of years. They are a splinter off the original Stark lineage.
The Umbers are Stark supporters. The Manderlys hate the Boltons. The Tullys already hated him.
And now Ramsay has probably pissed off Walder Frey, and Peter Baelish would push the Vale behind Sansa too. Finally, if word gets out that he killed Roose, the Boltons will turn on Ramsay too. He is literally the most despised man in the North. Dumb, dumb play.
He is gonna get his.
There's a big difference between resurrection and re-animation.
Big difference in the outcome, but kissing cousins in that you're making something that was dead now alive. I think you're right though, Gregor was more likely re-animated.
I really hope the whole Balon Greyjoy succession storyline gets expedited in the tv series. George RR Martin spent what felt like half a book on it and it was painful and boring as fuck. He really spent too much time with a couple of these shit-tier periphery kingdoms.
Would you consider the wights alive? They're re-animated. But just someone else's puppets with limited autonomy.
I really hope the whole Balon Greyjoy succession storyline gets expedited in the tv series. George RR Martin spent what felt like half a book on it and it was painful and boring as fuck. He really spent too much time with a couple of these shit-tier periphery kingdoms.
Eh, dead->alive is probably the wrong term. Dead->no longer dead would be better? But no I'd consider the wights re-animated similar to Gregor.
Eh, dead->alive is probably the wrong term. Dead->no longer dead would be better? But no I'd consider the wights re-animated similar to Gregor.
You truly don't understand the difference between alive and zombie/mummy/wight?
Ramsay is the Boltons now. There's no one to challenge him in that family. But yeah, I'd wager he's fucked. Karstarks are meager allies at best, when facing the entire rest of the North + Vale + Freys (possibly).
Yeah, Ramsey is pretty thoroughly screwed, although they were in a bad position already before he killed his family.
First Roose betrayed the Lannisters (especially Cersei) by supporting Sansa, in a bid to win the north. And he was acutely aware of this, hence plotting something against them with Littlefinger. Then they lost Sansa anyway, losing what tenuous support of the north they had.
Now Ramsey has turned his house's one remaining ally, the Freys, into mortal enemies. This is going to work out very badly when Walder Frey decides to let the Lannisters march into the north along with his army.
This is assuming that they find out the truth. But I don't think anyone is going to believe Ramsey's story, or at the very least there will be investigations. And I doubt that maester who witnessed everything is going to stay quiet, nor do I believe that he led Walda and her son into that kennel without any witnesses seeing what happened. People are going to wonder why she was targeted over Ramsey himself.
I do disagree with you on one thing, and that's the Karstarks. Yes they're "kin" with the Starks in some distant sense but that doesn't seem like much of a consideration. Their current lord is supporting Ramsey, if it wasn't clear in the episode the afterward spelled out that the assassination plot came as no surprise to him. But this could all be part of their own bid for the north and eventual betrayal of Ramsey. I don't see them supporting the Starks, what Robb did was too grave to forgive.
Read that last sentence where I show that I so when say re-animated not living. You really think it's worth being this pedantic over?
He would still be a bastard, no, just like Ramsay and the assumed Ned + random barwhore mistress story that created Jon? Even though Lyanna was of noble/firstmen stock, doesn't it have to be the Lord/King's wife to be a legitimate heir?
But that does make a ton of sense and puts a far greater stake on hiding/protecting/carrying the secret of Jon Snow's lineage. Even as a bastard he would have claim (like Gendry paddling away in his boat), but it would be less than Daenery's claim, wouldn't it (because Jon Snow would not have been granted lineage as Roose did with Ramsay)?
I recall Jon refusing Stannis' offer at least twice, because it would have meant reneging on his vow, and Jon is all about that vow.
As for resurrections, it's not just the one unimportant dude:
Kal Drogo was resurrected, but into a catatonic state. It was shown in the first season that it was possible, but the process could be poisoned if either the sorcerer/ess wanted it so, or perhaps depending on the method/type of magic/type, or of person being brought back.
Also, with the Mountain: another person brought back from the dead in an essentially crude but functional manner. The knowledge to do it seems to have long existed in that world and is accessible by those who seek it out, but caution: results may vary.
An interesting issue that bringing Jon back brings--though we don't yet know what kind of state he will be in--which god is the true god? Is the LoL for real? It does seem that in the one case we now know for sure, those resurrections are fully legit and seem to require very minimal knowledge (that one dude was not a priest and never understood the words, but always able to bring his pal back in mostly the same state--and now Firecrotch seemed to be putting her best guess forward and it happened pretty quickly).
If Jon comes back as Jon 2.0: just like Jon Snow but with Kung-Fu grip, then I guess we know that the LoL is the real shit compared to the other gods; accepting maybe that many-faced fellow.
worst thing this season by far is seeing bran last episode. the best part about last season was that he wasn't in it at all. his story is so terrible. i'd rather see the crap going on at dorne.
I disagree. I thought it was cool to see into Winterfel's past, and it was probably the best part of the episode.