HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

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Remobz

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It's possible that that wight had already been raised and was just being corpsey until the appropriate time. I mean, it was clearly imbued with some specific task after it got up so this doesn't seem like much of a stretch.

Good point. The corpses were meant to be assassins and needed to enter the Castle as ordinary corpses so as not to arouse suspicion. Once inside the castle they were turned into wights to accomplish their task.
 

GagHalfrunt

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It's possible that that wight had already been raised and was just being corpsey until the appropriate time. I mean, it was clearly imbued with some specific task after it got up so this doesn't seem like much of a stretch.

Just being corpsey? What the fuck does that mean? You mean it was intentionally playing possum and knew when to pop up to cause the most damage? Bullshit! Thus far the wights have given no indication that they're capable of reasoning to that degree. Or to any degree. They can't use tools other than clumsily swinging swinging swords, they don't work together, they don't ambush, they don't move or think tactically in any way even when in close proximity to a White Walker.

Given what we know about the wights, "Yo, you guys lay there until the nights watch takes you inside, then animate yourself and attack" is far less likely than giving the White Walkers the ability to time-delay re-animation.
 

blankslate

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Aren't "The Old Gods" demonstrating power with Bran through the Gosdwood? Is The Drowned God one of the old/new gods?

Bran's power to warg and see through Weirwood Trees would be considered gifts from the Old Gods by their followers.


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CZroe

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Just being corpsey? What the fuck does that mean? You mean it was intentionally playing possum and knew when to pop up to cause the most damage? Bullshit! Thus far the wights have given no indication that they're capable of reasoning to that degree. Or to any degree. They can't use tools other than clumsily swinging swinging swords, they don't work together, they don't ambush, they don't move or think tactically in any way even when in close proximity to a White Walker.

Given what we know about the wights, "Yo, you guys lay there until the nights watch takes you inside, then animate yourself and attack" is far less likely than giving the White Walkers the ability to time-delay re-animation.

Except that I already pointed it out TWICE. The wight remembered where Mormont slept. Others were left dormant outside of the Ice Cave where Brand spent all of last season. They were there under the ice for God-knows how long and emerged as soon as Brand arrived.

You are also forgetting that they were clearly receiving direction from the Night King and other White Walkers at Hardhome. They were directed off cliffs, they were directed toward the gates, they were directed to stand on the shore... heck: they out-right show a White Walker on a zombie horse directing them south at the end of an earlier season.

Every indication is that they do have at least some capacity to be directed and to perform tasks given to them. How you could come to the exact opposite conclusion and claim "no indication" baffles me. It's pretty firmly established.

Literally everything you said wasn't true. You admit that they use tools (swords and shields) but counter that they don't work together despite them forming an army and taking down a gate. You said that they don't ambush even though we already saw them do that at the ice cave. There was DEFINITELY a tactic when it came to assassinating Mormont.

Granted, all of these things were directed by the White Walkers and their magic, but that's exactly what we argued that the wights were capable of: executing directives under the influence of the White Walkers. They don't just turn and act autonomously.

If it was just a time-delay and the corpse was mindless it would not have known where to go to find Mormont and the wights outside of the ice cave would not have just happened to emerge from their resting places in the ground at the exact time there were visitors.
 
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Exophase

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Just being corpsey? What the fuck does that mean? You mean it was intentionally playing possum and knew when to pop up to cause the most damage? Bullshit! Thus far the wights have given no indication that they're capable of reasoning to that degree. Or to any degree. They can't use tools other than clumsily swinging swinging swords, they don't work together, they don't ambush, they don't move or think tactically in any way even when in close proximity to a White Walker.

Given what we know about the wights, "Yo, you guys lay there until the nights watch takes you inside, then animate yourself and attack" is far less likely than giving the White Walkers the ability to time-delay re-animation.

Like CZRoe said, that wight wasn't just flailing around attacking whoever crossed its path but had a specific target so.. yeah. That doesn't mean it was "thinking" per se, it could have just been programmed with some more complex heuristic ahead of time.

Or it could have been remote controlled by a White Walker who was acting through it. But if they have that capability they could have probably done more with it, like faking that the person never died in the first place.
 

Homerboy

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And where the hell are Rickon and Osha?

It's frustrating that they were both completely written off in the TV show and in the books. Ridiculous is more like it. If they are brought back now, it will be comical "Oh, we've just been laying low and out of the way for all this time" and if they don't come back, it's also comical as here you have an heir to Winterfell and he just basically leaves the storyline never to be heard from again.
 

Drako

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And where the hell are Rickon and Osha?

It's frustrating that they were both completely written off in the TV show and in the books. Ridiculous is more like it. If they are brought back now, it will be comical "Oh, we've just been laying low and out of the way for all this time" and if they don't come back, it's also comical as here you have an heir to Winterfell and he just basically leaves the storyline never to be heard from again.

Supposedly they went to House Umber with Shaggy Dog if I recall correctly. That was the end of season 3, so it's been awhile.
 

Homerboy

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HA! I just started googling about Rickon and apparently the trailer for EP3 suggests he is coming back this week!?! (Maybe Bran warging to check up on him?)

As I said, if/when he comes back, it will just be silly at this point.
 
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Phoenix86

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HA! I just started googling about Rickon and apparently the trailer for EP3 suggests he is coming back this week!?!

As I said, if/when he comes back, it will just be silly at this point.

They destroyed the Stark house, killed off the oldest 3 and scattered them to the wind. With Jon being resurrected and Sansa being free in the north it's clearly setting up a reunion. Jon, Sansa, Bran and Rickon will likely gather together and march on Winterfell with the wildlings + north men loyal to the Starks. I assume that's most everyone - Karstarks.

Do you really want them to show Rickon's story of basically just growing up with the Umbers? He's pretty young...
 

zinfamous

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And where the hell are Rickon and Osha?

It's frustrating that they were both completely written off in the TV show and in the books. Ridiculous is more like it. If they are brought back now, it will be comical "Oh, we've just been laying low and out of the way for all this time" and if they don't come back, it's also comical as here you have an heir to Winterfell and he just basically leaves the storyline never to be heard from again.

It will be revealed that they have been hanging out in the boat with Gendry, all this time, for obvious reasons. Balon Greyjoy's obvious long-lost brother has been captaining that boat...so we are about to see them all soon.
 

Homerboy

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No sillier than bringing back the Ironborn story line. :\

At least in the books the Ironborn are consistently involved. Rickon is as MIA in the books as the TV show.

It will be revealed that they have been hanging out in the boat with Gendry, all this time, for obvious reasons.

LOL no doubt. Just totally and summarily ignored. Poor Gendry -- 1st born of Robert Baratheon. What makes him so odd is that his story is fairly "important" early on. Ned Stark was hot on the trail...
 

zinfamous

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At least in the books the Ironborn are consistently involved. Rickon is as MIA in the books as the TV show.



LOL no doubt. Just totally and summarily ignored. Poor Gendry -- 1st born of Robert Baratheon. What makes him so odd is that his story is fairly "important" early on. Ned Stark was hot on the trail...

Don't forget that the previous Hand o' King was murdered on Cersei/Tywin's orders because he had first learned about Gendrey (Ned was following up). ...it's basically the central KL/Stark vs Lannister plot of the first season.
 

Drako

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At least in the books the Ironborn are consistently involved. Rickon is as MIA in the books as the TV show.

So, what's your point. The whole Ironborn story line has been dropped for almost two seasons as well.

Other than the one scene of Yara trying to retrieve Theon at that start of season 4, there has been nothing about the Ironborn storyline in the show.
 

zinfamous

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So, what's your point. The whole Ironborn story line has been dropped for almost two seasons as well.

Other than the one scene of Yara trying to retrieve Theon at that start of season 4, there has been nothing about the Ironborn storyline in the show.

I suppose it stands that the show is suddenly going to pivot to a shit-ton of Ironborn to fill in what the books had addressed as a stall tactic? Or maybe they are nearly caught-up after last episode?
 

Homerboy

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Don't forget that the previous Hand o' King was murdered on Cersei/Tywin's orders because he had first learned about Gendrey (Ned was following up). ...it's basically the central KL/Stark vs Lannister plot of the first season.

OMG that's right. Gendry is basically the impetus of the whole frickin' series and last we saw of him he was in a row-boat.



Shame too as I loved the actor (he played Chris in the BBC TV show "Skins")
 

Homerboy

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So, what's your point. The whole Ironborn story line has been dropped for almost two seasons as well.

Other than the one scene of Yara trying to retrieve Theon at that start of season 4, there has been nothing about the Ironborn storyline in the show.

I suppose it stands that the show is suddenly going to pivot to a shit-ton of Ironborn to fill in what the books had addressed as a stall tactic? Or maybe they are nearly caught-up after last episode?
^^
What he said.
 
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Drako

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I suppose it stands that the show is suddenly going to pivot to a shit-ton of Ironborn to fill in what the books had addressed as a stall tactic? Or maybe they are nearly caught-up after last episode?

Meh
I don't foresee a shit-ton more Ironborn appearing. They set up the inevitable power struggle last week for the Kingsmoot between Yara and Euron - they don't need to add all the other characters from the book IMO
 

wetech

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I suppose it stands that the show is suddenly going to pivot to a shit-ton of Ironborn to fill in what the books had addressed as a stall tactic? Or maybe they are nearly caught-up after last episode?

not really caught up; there's a few chapters of material to cover. Some of it seems relevant to the main plot lines.
 

Pens1566

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I'm guessing the "gift" presented to Ramsay (shown in the "coming next week" after ep. 2) is Rickon. That will provide the reason for the assault on Winterfell.
 

Homerboy

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I'm guessing the "gift" presented to Ramsay (shown in the "coming next week" after ep. 2) is Rickon. That will provide the reason for the assault on Winterfell.

If so, that will be a great/cool development. Still a ridiculous re-insertion of Rickon, but it's a good storyline device for sure.
 

Drako

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I'm guessing the "gift" presented to Ramsay (shown in the "coming next week" after ep. 2) is Rickon. That will provide the reason for the assault on Winterfell.

There aren't already enough reasons?
 
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