weren't there times in previous seasons where she was completely naked.
ie: not even jewelry?
Seems like the power that amulet she has to keep her young will go to help in Jon's resurrection. Also that Davos associated Jon and the witch means he's having similar thoughts about a resurrection.
I dont understand this. Why have the Lannisters NOT unleashed the army on the religious nuts? seriously, the nuts have the queen in a cell and humiliated the queen mother.
Kevan Lannister isn't going to fight for either Cersei or Margaery's honor, not when they're just sitting in cells or forced into naked shame walks. Unless they're murdered or something happens to Tommen he's not doing anything. He's probably happy to see Cersei get taken down a peg after disapproving of her machinations.
Also his son is one of those religious nuts.
Yeah, but Thommen is not getting laid now and he seems to enjoy it. Cut off a kings nookie and it's likely he'd cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. Seems like the Tyrells would have their entire army marching on Kings Landing too. It's both Loras and Margaery locked up. The food supply provided by the Tyrells is the one thing Kings Landing could not do without. Even if Kevan himself has no fire up his ass about doing something about the Faith and even if somehow Thommen can live without boinking Margaery 5 times a day, they have to keep the Tyrells happy. Olenna should be breathing more fire than Drogon.
They made it clear that the people respect the authority of the gods more than their leaders. That would cause a revolt.I dont understand this. Why have the Lannisters NOT unleashed the army on the religious nuts? seriously, the nuts have the queen in a cell and humiliated the queen mother.
Sure there was. We now see that she has been kicked out into the streets and meet the person who will be training with her daily. We even get to see one of her training sessions.Holy crap was that disappointing. No resolution on Jon. Fine, saw that coming from a mile away. Not one iota of advancement on Arya.
You weren't paying attention. She is not a captive anymore and she successfully asserted herself to these Dothraki. They discussed where she should be going and where she wants to go, setting up a decision.Not one iota of advancement on Daenerys, still a captive, still no dragons.
Not "minor" at all. It's setting up the war The Red Witch was actually seeing. Rose and Ramsay will move against Jon and the Wildlings in pursuit of Sansa. They made that clear.Minor move with Sansa getting away and linking up with Brienne.
Not sure what you wanted but they did show the aftermath, did discuss what needed to be done, did discuss what was no longer possible after the ships burned, and even showed someone influencing the people there. How much more advancement could we have there without Danny? Keep your expectations reasonable.Nice revolt in Dorne, but that was like 4 minutes. Naked hag Mellisandre got more screen time than that. No advancement on at all on everyone versus the Sparrows, no advancement on Sons of the Harpys.
All those main plots plus Sam on the road to Maester, the probable return of Sandor, Bran in the north and only 10 hours of show to cram all that in. It felt like they completely pissed away a 10th of their season while accomplishing almost nothing. Doesn't it feel like that was an 8 minute episode padded out to an hour? That was the kind of thing Robert Jordan would have done when he ran out of ideas and tried to get 1 chapters worth of action spread over an entire book.
At first I was not too bothered by the show outpacing the books, but after seeing the Dorne arc, which went from bad to almost comically stupid, I am not so sure. Quality of stand-alone writing so far is a D+.
Holy crap was that disappointing. No resolution on Jon. Fine, saw that coming from a mile away. Not one iota of advancement on Arya. Not one iota of advancement on Daenerys, still a captive, still no dragons. Minor move with Sansa getting away and linking up with Brienne. Nice revolt in Dorne, but that was like 4 minutes. Naked hag Mellisandre got more screen time than that. No advancement on at all on everyone versus the Sparrows, no advancement on Sons of the Harpys.
All those main plots plus Sam on the road to Maester, the probable return of Sandor, Bran in the north and only 10 hours of show to cram all that in. It felt like they completely pissed away a 10th of their season while accomplishing almost nothing. Doesn't it feel like that was an 8 minute episode padded out to an hour? That was the kind of thing Robert Jordan would have done when he ran out of ideas and tried to get 1 chapters worth of action spread over an entire book.
Sure there was. We now see that she has been kicked out into the streets and meet the person who will be training with her daily. We even get to see one of her training sessions.
Bullshit. We knew shew was getting punished. So she's still getting punished.
You weren't paying attention. She is not a captive anymore and she successfully asserted herself to these Dothraki. They discussed where she should be going and where she wants to go, setting up a decision.
Perhaps you were not paying attention. She's a captaive, still has no dragons, still no closer to anything than she was at the end of last season. All that changed is that she's not getting raped. Wow, thank god they covered that.
Not "minor" at all. It's setting up the war The Red Witch was actually seeing. Rose and Ramsay will move against Jon and the Wildlings in pursuit of Sansa. They made that clear.
We knew that last year
If they spent even less time on each of the necessary parts they touched you would have complained even more about how little happened
If they spent less time showing the red witch standing in front of a mirror they might have had MORE time to spend on something important. They spend an hour of screen time and other than the Sansa meets Brienne and the Sand Snakes revolt were are exactly where we were at the end of last season
Sure there was. We now see that she has been kicked out into the streets and meet the person who will be training with her daily. We even get to see one of her training sessions.
The person kicking her around, "The Waif", is not someone we're just now meeting. She was giving Arya all sorts of crap last season too.
DirecTV had the information on the episode saying in it's first line "The fate of John Snow is revealed." I don't really feel like his fate was.. I mean I guess it means he's dead.. but they way they've left it a bit open, I feel like it's not quite over. I can see him coming back a few different ways, but the one thing I do feel like his story isn't over. I can't recall them ever doing so much story around a guy's corpse before this. Was there anyone else that I can't remember off hand?
The description for the episode on HBO Now was like: "Jon Snow is dead. Sansa Runs."
The girl was clearly coaching her and said she would be returning regularly. She is blind and begging on the streets. If she magically made it back to Westeros would they follow her and continue "punishing" her there?! The punishment was making her blind and kicking her out, unless this is all part of the training.Sure there was. We now see that she has been kicked out into the streets and meet the person who will be training with her daily. We even get to see one of her training sessions.
Bullshit. We knew shew was getting punished. So she's still getting punished.
He told her that Khal widows must live in Vaes Dothrak and he now intends to take her there. She's no longer simply a captive being taken wherever they go. It's pretty clearly a necessary setup for a choice. Will she remarry and gain a horde to retake Meereen? Will she slip away and head out on her own? Will Jorah Mormont catch up and redeem himself? Will she go to Vaes Dothrak and build an army there?You weren't paying attention. She is not a captive anymore and she successfully asserted herself to these Dothraki. They discussed where she should be going and where she wants to go, setting up a decision.
Perhaps you were not paying attention. She's a captaive, still has no dragons, still no closer to anything than she was at the end of last season. All that changed is that she's not getting raped. Wow, thank god they covered that.
No we didn't. It's a new development. Stannis vs. Ramsay was last year. Theon tells Sansa about Jon in this very episode and Roose explains to Ramsay that they need her and will be attacking if he doesn't get her back.Not "minor" at all. It's setting up the war The Red Witch was actually seeing. Rose and Ramsay will move against Jon and the Wildlings in pursuit of Sansa. They made that clear.
We knew that last year
The wikipedia page captions the image "Melisandre reveals her true form following her loss of faith," which makes more sense now that Jeeebus has done the leg work and shown that she has taken off the artifacts before. Her faith in the Lord of Light was keeping her young. Assuming that there is a point to showing her age and it wasn't something made up for the show, I thought it was well done.If they spent even less time on each of the necessary parts they touched you would have complained even more about how little happened
If they spent less time showing the red witch standing in front of a mirror they might have had MORE time to spend on something important. They spend an hour of screen time and other than the Sansa meets Brienne and the Sand Snakes revolt were are exactly where we were at the end of last season
Yep. You'd rather see Danny show up with a horde somewhere and just explain what happened in one dismissive line. We get it.All that changed from last season was taken care of in less than 10 minutes of screen time. The other 50 minutes accomplished nothing.
Assuming that there is a point to showing her age and it wasn't something made up for the show, I thought it was well done.
If there's one thing I've noticed about GoT after rewatching past seasons, it's that everything in this show happens for a reason.
The best part of the Melisandre speculation is it gave me an excuse to re-watch her prior nude scenes to see if she had the necklace on or off. On for sexies with Stannis and the other dude. Off when she was in the tub talking to Stannis' wife.
Her room is probably warded so if someone comes by, they forget why they're there and leave.also, doesn't she risk being discovered if someone walks in on her?
In the one scene where Melisandre is not wearing the choker, Stannis' wife Selyse is the only one who sees her, and reacts with revulsion. She says things like "did you use magic to seduce stannis" thinking that there is no way he would sleep with her as she is... which makes perfect sense if Selyse was seeing Melisandre's true form.
They just didn't want to spill the beans to the viewers at that point.
that makes no sense.
that implies that Selyse has ALWAYS seen Melisandre in her true form, even w/necklace on