I think my favorite was the one where Tywin dies and Arya sails away on a ship. It felt like closure at the same time peaking my interest for what was to come. The season endings that finished with Dany weren't as meaningful in my opinion.
I am enjoying the show still; the intrigue and power struggles going on. But you are right of course. The bigger story arc is going to overshadow all that at some point. Then who is king or queen of the 7 kingdoms at the moment will be small potatoes.
On a personal note, I think season 4 is my favorite season, how about everyone else?
Yes, however, we know (well, we can logically assume) that forging a maester's chain takes years. Events in the show are accelerating, and Sam doesn't have that kind of time. I'm sure there's some reason for him to be in Oldtown, and I have a feeling that it's going to be a pretty quick in and out kind of deal.
My bet - Sam will be heading north again by the end of this season. He'll be back by Ep 1 or 2 or next season, as the plot starts to shift more towards dealing with the white walker threat.
Yes, however, we know (well, we can logically assume) that forging a maester's chain takes years. Events in the show are accelerating, and Sam doesn't have that kind of time. I'm sure there's some reason for him to be in Oldtown, and I have a feeling that it's going to be a pretty quick in and out kind of deal.
My bet - Sam will be heading north again by the end of this season. He'll be back by Ep 1 or 2 or next season, as the plot starts to shift more towards dealing with the white walker threat.
The season endings that finished with Dany weren't as meaningful in my opinion.
Yeah that is season 4. It had a lot of great moments.I think my favorite was the one where Tywin dies and Arya sails away on a ship. It felt like closure at the same time peaking my interest for what was to come. The season endings that finished with Dany weren't as meaningful in my opinion.
That's all well and good. But Sam doesn't know how quickly things are accelerating and it's still his plan to go south to forge his master's chain. He did NOT steal the sword to lead Randyll to the wall.
That's a good point, did Sam ever know valyrian steel affected white walkers? It might be a plot hole, but I kind of think he's going to turn around. Maybe he gets word of what's going on and turns around.
Jon did talk to Sam about what happened at Hardhome right before Sam requested permission to study at the Citadel. All things considered it'd be super weird if Jon left out the part about Longclaw shattering the White Walker.
Yeah that is season 4. It had a lot of great moments.
I don't think I recall that conversation. Didn't Sam already leave before Jon decided to get the wildlings from Hardhome?
When one hundred thousand Dothraki and 3 dragons appear succession gets thrown out the window.
I remember some quote by Robert I think in the earlier seasons about how succession was bullshit and it was all about who grabs the throne by force.
Basically succession doesn't mean shit when it comes to the Iron Throne.
Even if he did, Sam was certainly gone before Jon and the Wildlings returned. No way Sam could know about Jon's fight with the Walker.
I remember some quote by Robert I think in the earlier seasons about how succession was bullshit and it was all about who grabs the throne by force.
Basically succession doesn't mean shit when it comes to the Iron Throne.
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Who knows maybe the White Walker's will turn out to the good guys when they erase the horde.
That was the turning point in their relationship too. The look on her face when she is riding her murder pony; it was the happiest she'd been since all the trouble started. Which led to her getting smacked around by Jaqen for lying about hating the hound. Which she had even been lying to herself about.Wherein is featured Arya, the Hound, and their 2 chickens.
You called it on Arya.I hate watching it so late (last night) and not getting to partake in all these discussions/theories.
I certainly think Margery is playing the High Sparrow and Tommen is just a pawn in that. I was VERY disappointed she was not required to do the walk of atonement. :ninja:() Grandma isn't in on it yet, but she trained her granddaughter right and is going to be please with her game.
I LOVED the Tarly scenes -- thought they were very well done and acted. I think this certainly will help bring the Tarly forces into the mix now too and there will be some sort of "recompense" between Sam and his dad once his dad realizes everything that Sam has been involved in.
Arya -- Sort of saw it coming. I never once thought she'd officially finish her training and become a true faceless man. This was especially apparent based on her reactions when she first watched the play portraying her father's beheading etc.
Coldhands/Benjen... ugh. So contrived and painful the way he was reintroduced. Amazing and convenient that only 4 or 5 wights actually found Bran. Last I recall it was a huge horde and the white walkers themselves.
Amazing that I can root for the Lanisters at this point. Sadly, the trial by combat is not going to go as Ceseri plans. The Hound is almost assuredly going to come back at this point. There has to be SOMEBODY that the High Sparrow will have up their sleeve to face Zombie Clegane -- the High Sparrow is no moron and he knows Ceseri is going to choose trial by combat. The only sleeper/shocker pick I can think of is The Hound.
Danny and her dragons? The scene was totally unnecessary. Didn't they already do it when she killed all the Khals? It was a "cool" scene, but it was just pointless -- OH!!! NOW they are 100% behind her?!?! Not after she killed all their powerful Khals and walked out of a bonfire unscathed and (apparently) have been marching behind her for days headed back to Mereen?
Did I miss anything?
You called it on Arya.
I also think the Hound or one of the sand snakes is a good pick to be the trial by combat champion. Since the spear fighting style seems tailor made for beating the Mountain. But what if the setup is taking him out of play as a champion? Tommen, or one of the people he listens to, could have him order Qyburn to make him fight for the sparrows, or not fight at all? The grand Meister has been advising the king, and hates Qyburn, so maybe forcing him to do their bidding is the plan? then who would that Leave Cersei with for champ?
I think Qyburn controls him through necromancy? If they force Qyburn to cooperate, seems likely the Mountain would do as he is instructed.The Sand Snake is the only other viable "ace up the sleeve" and would work as the proper "revenge" from Dorne to fuck up everyone's plans in King's Landing whcih is what they want more than anything. That being said, I will be MEGA bummed if one of those pathetic characters kills Zombie Mountain instead of The Hound (which they have alluded to for some time).
Does the Mountain listen to Tommen? He seems to be entirely Ceserei's pet. Remember their run in with the King's Guard? I think he's entirely her Champion for the trial by combat. That or Jamie has to fight and will get SMOKED with the 1 hand. They've made a point to show that Jamie and Ceserei are fully back in love, and it would be very "game of thrones" to rip them apart again by killing Jamie off.
is it just me or does the actual throne look really uncomfortable to sit it. At least put in a seat pad on that thing or something.
The Hound is almost assuredly going to come back at this point. There has to be SOMEBODY that the High Sparrow will have up their sleeve to face Zombie Clegane -- the High Sparrow is no moron and he knows Ceseri is going to choose trial by combat. The only sleeper/shocker pick I can think of is The Hound.
I know what happens in the books, but I thought it was pretty clear in the show that the Hound died?