HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

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GagHalfrunt

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But haven't they made other similar compromises in tv version? I can't think of one but wouldn't they have to merge some characters just because you don't have the time to give everyone a backstory.

You can combine and merge characters all you want. But having them play similar roles doesn't imbue one with the magical powers of the other. BenJen is just an ordinary ranger, he doesn't have any special abilities just because a book character that isn't in the series had those abilities. Is that really so difficult to comprehend?
 

JEDI

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You can combine and merge characters all you want. But having them play similar roles doesn't imbue one with the magical powers of the other. BenJen is just an ordinary ranger, he doesn't have any special abilities just because a book character that isn't in the series had those abilities. Is that really so difficult to comprehend?
WHAT??
what part of the Children making him into a white walker lord did you miss?!
 

Triumph

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No, what's plain stupid is equating BenJen with a book character that isn't in the series.

GoT is based on book
Ghostly character in book helps Bran in the North
TV show surpasses book, GRRM tells HBO major plot points he expects to write. HBO writes it into show.
Benjen Stark shows up as ghostly character, most likely because of GRRM's info.

I don't see the big deal.
 

Triumph

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So I'm going back and re-watching from Season 1, just for something to do. Reminded me of something that always bothered me. Catelyn Stark's attitude toward John Snow is completely out of character for her. Throughout the rest of the show/book, she is a loving, kind, wise, courageous, and most importantly, rational woman. Yet when she even catches site of John Snow, she turns into a complete psycho. Everything else about her character makes me think that she would have eventually come to terms with John's existence, and realize that it wasn't his fault that he simply exists. Throughout the rest of the show, faced with horrible situations, she simply deals with it. But not John Snow!
 

Anubis

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because she believe John is Neds bastard son. pretty sure any woman would be pissed having to raise their husbands child from another woman
 

Rhezuss

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Just a question, what's with Benjen's face anyways? Is he really a simple human in the tv series?

 
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zinfamous

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So I'm going back and re-watching from Season 1, just for something to do. Reminded me of something that always bothered me. Catelyn Stark's attitude toward John Snow is completely out of character for her. Throughout the rest of the show/book, she is a loving, kind, wise, courageous, and most importantly, rational woman. Yet when she even catches site of John Snow, she turns into a complete psycho. Everything else about her character makes me think that she would have eventually come to terms with John's existence, and realize that it wasn't his fault that he simply exists. Throughout the rest of the show, faced with horrible situations, she simply deals with it. But not John Snow!

I recall a scene or two where she confesses to someone (I forget who) about her feelings for Jon. She understands that he has no fault in this and wants to love him, but simply can't. She struggles with it and I think she does come to terms with it to some degree.

But her character in the book vs the show is irrelevant. The book character of Katelyn only matters for the books. Katelyn in the show only matters in the show.

much like LoTR, with flat and boring characters in the books--it would be dramatic death to portray her as an unconditional loving individual in the show. That's why Aragorn was re-written (absolutely for the better) in the movies as an individual that struggles with his past and has great doubts about himself (Book Aragorn was absurd, stupid, and completely boring).

A Katelyn that struggles with these complex feelings is more interesting.
 

zinfamous

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Just a question, what's with Benjen's face anyways? Is he really a simple human in the tv series?


Only saw the episode once so far, but I do recall him saying that he was half-killed or something and only survived because of the Raven and those tree chicks.

There is some magic working in him, as he is able to communicate with the raven.
 

Jeeebus

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I thought he said they were in the process of turning him into a white walker when he was found by the three eyed raven who stopped the process. At least that's what I heard.
 

adairusmc

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I thought he said they were in the process of turning him into a white walker when he was found by the three eyed raven who stopped the process. At least that's what I heard.

I remember him saying that he was killed by a White Walker, and was found by the children of the forest who stopped the process of him being turned into a wight. When he originally went missing, they did find his horse and the rest of the nights watchmen that were with him, one of them was the one who came back as a wight and attacked Lord Commander Mormont in his chambers.

His hands are black and he does look undead, which is probably why he has been serving the three eyed crow and the children behind the wall rather than return. He probably knows that his reception as a reanimated corpse if he were to go back to the wall would be less than warm.
 

Sonikku

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because she believe John is Neds bastard son. pretty sure any woman would be pissed having to raise their husbands child from another woman

Seems like a good reason to be pissed at Ned. Not so much Jon.
 

Phoenix86

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I remember him saying that he was killed by a White Walker, and was found by the children of the forest who stopped the process of him being turned into a wight. When he originally went missing, they did find his horse and the rest of the nights watchmen that were with him, one of them was the one who came back as a wight and attacked Lord Commander Mormont in his chambers.

His hands are black and he does look undead, which is probably why he has been serving the three eyed crow and the children behind the wall rather than return. He probably knows that his reception as a reanimated corpse if he were to go back to the wall would be less than warm.

I'll have to double check but I think this is correct. IIRC they used a similar process as they did to create a WW by shoving a dragon glass shard into his heart to stop him from dying.
 

Sonikku

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So you guys think Bran's going to see Ned boinking some other chick in the past and at the last minute it pans to her face and she's somebody we recognize?
 

Homerboy

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So you guys think Bran's going to see Ned boinking some other chick in the past and at the last minute it pans to her face and she's somebody we recognize?

No. But there will be a revelation of who Bran's parent(s) is/are.
 

Jeeebus

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So you guys think Bran's going to see Ned boinking some other chick in the past and at the last minute it pans to her face and she's somebody we recognize?

Ermm.. no.

Unless the Tower scene and the other scene with Ned's sister were just gratuitous to give us a cool sword fight, I think the assumption is we'll (eventually) see who (Ned's sister) is inside the tower. Most likely scenario is she is pregnant/giving birth, discloses that the baby is the mad king's, and asks Ned to keep it secret to ensure the baby's safety. She then tells him the baby's name is John and dies from childbirth complications. Season over (or we get this next season after GRRM has fleshed it out in the books).
 

Homerboy

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Ermm.. no.

Unless the Tower scene and the other scene with Ned's sister were just gratuitous to give us a cool sword fight, I think the assumption is we'll (eventually) see who (Ned's sister) is inside the tower. Most likely scenario is she is pregnant/giving birth, discloses that the baby is the mad king's, and asks Ned to keep it secret to ensure the baby's safety. She then tells him the baby's name is John and dies from childbirth complications. Season over (or we get this next season after GRRM has fleshed it out in the books).

100% correct (except for GRRM fleshing out anything in the books, as I just have zero faith in those things every happening)
 

MongGrel

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Ermm.. no.

Unless the Tower scene and the other scene with Ned's sister were just gratuitous to give us a cool sword fight, I think the assumption is we'll (eventually) see who (Ned's sister) is inside the tower. Most likely scenario is she is pregnant/giving birth, discloses that the baby is the mad king's, and asks Ned to keep it secret to ensure the baby's safety. She then tells him the baby's name is John and dies from childbirth complications. Season over (or we get this next season after GRRM has fleshed it out in the books).

Not sure that would be the cut scene in the final episode this season, but I wouldn't rule it out either by a long shot.

They usually throw several things in that one, of course, there are really a lot of things in motion atm.

But is why it is so popular.
 

Exophase

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So I'm going back and re-watching from Season 1, just for something to do. Reminded me of something that always bothered me. Catelyn Stark's attitude toward John Snow is completely out of character for her. Throughout the rest of the show/book, she is a loving, kind, wise, courageous, and most importantly, rational woman. Yet when she even catches site of John Snow, she turns into a complete psycho. Everything else about her character makes me think that she would have eventually come to terms with John's existence, and realize that it wasn't his fault that he simply exists. Throughout the rest of the show, faced with horrible situations, she simply deals with it. But not John Snow!

Where is Catelyn Stark shown to be loving and kind? Or even particularly rational? She gets Tyrion imprisoned and sentenced to death with little evidence other than the ravings of her known crazy sister and finding a blonde hair. And she lets Jaime, a valuable war criminal, escape in the hopes that he'll rescue her daughters.
 

Homerboy

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Where is Catelyn Stark shown to be loving and kind? Or even particularly rational? She gets Tyrion imprisoned and sentenced to death with little evidence other than the ravings of her known crazy sister and finding a blonde hair. And she lets Jaime, a valuable war criminal, escape in the hopes that he'll rescue her daughters.

The best Catelyn Stark is NO BOOK SPOILERS! -Admin DrPizza
 
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Exophase

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You can combine and merge characters all you want. But having them play similar roles doesn't imbue one with the magical powers of the other. BenJen is just an ordinary ranger, he doesn't have any special abilities just because a book character that isn't in the series had those abilities. Is that really so difficult to comprehend?

And can you say that this book character wasn't some other plain old human who got converted into a magic man by the Children of the Forest and/or Three Eyed Raven? No, you have no idea. The show established that the Children turned humans into the original White Walkers and that the Walkers themselves can turn humans. I'm not seeing the big disconnect that either one or both could turn Benjen into the character he is now; the implication to me is that the Walkers started the process of turning Benjen into one of them by "killing" him and the Children stopped the process so he didn't become a complete Walker and retained his humanity.

An ability of White Walkers to turn humans into them by striking them explains why they're out fighting humans to begin with. They have armies of wights and the more successful they are at killing people the more wights they get. It'd normally make a lot more sense for them to watch from the sidelines while the wights do all the work unless there's an unusual situation. But it looks like the Walkers single out the best fighters and take them on personally even though they don't have to - as what happened in Hardhome. So all things considered it makes perfect sense if that Walker Jon killed was planning on turning him.
 
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