HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

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Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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Interesting that the dude on the horseback that "visited" the Hound and his hippy commune friends was
Lem Lemoncloak
. Slipped right past me (and apparently millions of other people).
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
29,685
43,947
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I just read a fun new theory that Jaqen gave the young actress who wanted the older actress killed Arya's face to hide from the older actress until she could skip town as some sort of refund for not carrying out the killing. The Waif then stabbed the young actress in the guts (as really she was the one the many faced gods wanted to kill all along for her evil intentions) and Arya is still hiding in a shadow with needle somewhere.

That would explain why Arya had money, and why she was flaunting around town (she thought she was hidden from the people who would want to kill her), that is why she wasn't more cautious of the old woman.

I kinda hate the theory deep down because I assume it's better than what the plot will actually be.

This is the first believable theory i've read in regards to this situation
 

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
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..that is kinda cool actually. But I wonder how they would develop such a thing with the ~5 minutes/per plot line reserved in each episode?

The scene opens and the Waif finds Arya dead on the street. Excited to make sure the job is done, she goes to check her pulse only to discover it's a mask! She pulls off the mask to reveal the young actress, right as Ayra does an Assassin's Creed jump from the shadows into the Waif's face. A fight ensues and Arya powered by a needle and all she was learned prevails and kills the Waif in a moment where the Waif gets cocky and thinks she has won. Arya runs away from the scene only to run into a Jaqen who was watching the whole thing around the corner. Arya gets in a defensive stance, and Jaqen tells her "the girl was a disappointment, it is better to be someone and know that than be a noone who is still someone" and vanishes. As Arya spins around to find him the man the actress hired to take her away comes up to Arya and says "there you are, we are ready to go!" Arya leaves Bravos with the man looking out over the ship's edge ready for her next fight.

End scene.
 

wetech

Senior member
Jul 16, 2002
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I just read a fun new theory that Jaqen gave the young actress who wanted the older actress killed Arya's face to hide from the older actress until she could skip town as some sort of refund for not carrying out the killing. The Waif then stabbed the young actress in the guts (as really she was the one the many faced gods wanted to kill all along for her evil intentions) and Arya is still hiding in a shadow with needle somewhere.

That would explain why Arya had money, and why she was flaunting around town (she thought she was hidden from the people who would want to kill her), that is why she wasn't more cautious of the old woman.

I kinda hate the theory deep down because I assume it's better than what the plot will actually be.

except that they said that anyone who isn't "ready" to use the faces would basically be killed by the process.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The scene opens and the Waif finds Arya dead on the street. Excited to make sure the job is done, she goes to check her pulse only to discover it's a mask! She pulls off the mask to reveal the young actress, right as Ayra does an Assassin's Creed jump from the shadows into the Waif's face. A fight ensues and Arya powered by a needle and all she was learned prevails and kills the Waif in a moment where the Waif gets cocky and thinks she has won. Arya runs away from the scene only to run into a Jaqen who was watching the whole thing around the corner. Arya gets in a defensive stance, and Jaqen tells her "the girl was a disappointment, it is better to be someone and know that than be a noone who is still someone" and vanishes. As Arya spins around to find him the man the actress hired to take her away comes up to Arya and says "there you are, we are ready to go!" Arya leaves Bravos with the man looking out over the ship's edge ready for her next fight.

End scene.

I still prefer the Mentos-themed montage.

(It worked in Bloodsport!)
 

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
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except that they said that anyone who isn't "ready" to use the faces would basically be killed by the process.

She does end up being killed via stabs in the stomach. The many faced god is pleased.

Arya wasn't punished for misusing a face until afterwards.
 

z1ggy

Lifer
May 17, 2008
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The scene opens and the Waif finds Arya dead on the street. Excited to make sure the job is done, she goes to check her pulse only to discover it's a mask! She pulls off the mask to reveal the young actress, right as Ayra does an Assassin's Creed jump from the shadows into the Waif's face. A fight ensues and Arya powered by a needle and all she was learned prevails and kills the Waif in a moment where the Waif gets cocky and thinks she has won. Arya runs away from the scene only to run into a Jaqen who was watching the whole thing around the corner. Arya gets in a defensive stance, and Jaqen tells her "the girl was a disappointment, it is better to be someone and know that than be a noone who is still someone" and vanishes. As Arya spins around to find him the man the actress hired to take her away comes up to Arya and says "there you are, we are ready to go!" Arya leaves Bravos with the man looking out over the ship's edge ready for her next fight.

End scene.
Makes great sense but it will prob turn out to be a lame explanation and we will all be sad and let down.
 

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
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Makes great sense but it will prob turn out to be a lame explanation and we will all be sad and let down.

We will see I guess. I remember when it happened that the "how Joffrey died" theories of Olenna killing him seemed so much more complicated than the show would actually portray. I set myself to be let down, but it ended up being exactly how it happened.

Either way it is win-win for us in a weird way, because this is a perfect litmus test of what the show quality will be in a post-book era.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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I just read a fun new theory that Jaqen gave the young actress who wanted the older actress killed Arya's face to hide from the older actress until she could skip town as some sort of refund for not carrying out the killing. The Waif then stabbed the young actress in the guts (as really she was the one the many faced gods wanted to kill all along for her evil intentions) and Arya is still hiding in a shadow with needle somewhere.

That would explain why Arya had money, and why she was flaunting around town (she thought she was hidden from the people who would want to kill her), that is why she wasn't more cautious of the old woman.

I kinda hate the theory deep down because I assume it's better than what the plot will actually be.


That's an interesting theory and it does cover certain bits, but it has flaws of its own. How doe the actress escape from a trained assassin? The Faceless Men are the deadliest killers in the realm and never miss. The Waif has an open shot at a young girl who is completely untrained and defenseless, lands about 6 blows before the target knows what's going on and still whoever was wearing Arya's face has the presence of mind to land a blow and get away? That's tough to believe.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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The internets are rife with speculation that another old character is going to surface in episode 8.
"There is only one god and his name is Death, and there is only one thing we say to Death: 'Not today.'"
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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The internets are rife with speculation that another old character is going to surface in episode 8.

Yeap... I didn't want to mention it here for fear of being tarred and feathered. it's based off a still frame picture. And honestly, it's pretty convincing.
 

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
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That's an interesting theory and it does cover certain bits, but it has flaws of its own. How doe the actress escape from a trained assassin? The Faceless Men are the deadliest killers in the realm and never miss. The Waif has an open shot at a young girl who is completely untrained and defenseless, lands about 6 blows before the target knows what's going on and still whoever was wearing Arya's face has the presence of mind to land a blow and get away? That's tough to believe.

Part of the point in the theory is that the Waif, motivated by wanting to kill an Arya she was jealous of, didn't attack like a faceless man should. She was sloppy and vengeful in her attack, and seemed more focused on letting Arya know that it was HER that killed her rather than actually killing Arya in the most efficient way possible. Jaqen assumed that the Waif would goof in this way, and wanted to give Arya an advantage as a form of punishment to the Waif. The young actress did a (crappy) job defending herself due to a survival instincts and the Waif's zealotry.

I will admit that is a little bit of a stretch, but so is any acceptable answer to the plot situation put out there unfortunately.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Part of the point in the theory is that the Waif, motivated by wanting to kill an Arya she was jealous of, didn't attack like a faceless man should. She was sloppy and vengeful in her attack, and seemed more focused on letting Arya know that it was HER that killed her rather than actually killing Arya in the most efficient way possible. Jaqen assumed that the Waif would goof in this way, and wanted to give Arya an advantage as a form of punishment to the Waif. The young actress did a (crappy) job defending herself due to a survival instincts and the Waif's zealotry.

I will admit that is a little bit of a stretch, but so is any acceptable answer to the plot situation put out there unfortunately.

I agree. It's a stretch, but it's as plausible as many other theories and far more plausible than some.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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The internets are rife with speculation that another old character is going to surface in episode 8.
"There is only one god and his name is Death, and there is only one thing we say to Death: 'Not today.'"

I soooooooo want that to be true.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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If that is the truth about Jaqen I am going to flip out.

It actually fits quite well and there is some collaborating evidence too. It'd be a HUGE "holy shit" moment that not many people saw coming -- not even us book readers.
 
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GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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If that is the truth about Jaqen I am going to flip out.

I really hope that isn't the case. There have been theories like that since season 1 and I dismissed them completely as there were some timing issues which would have put a single person in two places at the same time.
 

Charmonium

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I really hope that isn't the case. There have been theories like that since season 1 and I dismissed them completely as there were some timing issues which would have put a single person in two places at the same time.
Or the same face in two places at once.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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If that is the truth about Jaqen I am going to flip out.

If we dig up the previous all-seasons long thread, I made this prediction back when he first changed faces as he and Arya separated at that boat--when he gave Arya that coin to enter into the house. was that season 4?

people called me a moron.

 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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Interesting that the dude on the horseback that "visited" the Hound and his hippy commune friends was
Lem Lemoncloak
. Slipped right past me (and apparently millions of other people).

I'd forgotten his name, but I thought he was one of Berics guys.

They looked familiar, why I mentioned Beric the other day.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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If we dig up the previous all-seasons long thread, I made this prediction back when he first changed faces as he and Arya separated at that boat--when he gave Arya that coin to enter into the house. was that season 4?

people called me a moron.


There were issues that made it pretty far fetched. If they do decide to link the characters it creates a big logic hole or they're going to have to go back and change the timing on some past events.

And you spelled moran wrong!!

 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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If we dig up the previous all-seasons long thread, I made this prediction back when he first changed faces as he and Arya separated at that boat--when he gave Arya that coin to enter into the house. was that season 4?

people called me a moron.


We'll see, of course.

I've been suspicious along those lines a long time myself.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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There were issues that made it pretty far fetched. If they do decide to link the characters it creates a big logic hole or they're going to have to go back and change the timing on some past events.

And you spelled moran wrong!!

If IIRC, Jaqen was in that prison cart as someone fleeing from King's Landing, shortly after the first sword of Bravos met his unfortunate end to Meryn Fucking Trent, right?

Or was that a different city they were fleeing? I want to recall the boy Arya/Gendry story as mostly season 2, which eventually brought her to Tywin--that couldn't have been season 3, right?

I'm not sure what would be off with the timing--though I vaguely recall this discussion before. (granted, I only started watching the show a few months prior to season 4 starting, but binged those seasons then).
 
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