I know they've sat out for the past 20 years (they road with King Robert and Stark against the Targaryens). But to not even ask or even plead with them seems ridiculous. Especially after Sansa was JUST THERE.
The Vale had been content to sit out the recent wars behind their near impregnable defenses. They did not come to Rob's aid when requested either. There would be little reason for Jon to appeal to them as he had no relationship. Sansa played her association with Littlefinger close to the vest knowing that Jon probably wouldn't approve if her knew the whole story.
Contract negotiations. It doesn't matter though. Whether GoT gets renewed beyond season 8 or not probably doesn't matter since HBO will no doubt commission a spin off. The only question would be if they can do the spinoff with just the consent of Martin or if the current producers have intellectual property in some of the characters and would need to be bought off.
Show makes too much money for HBO to just drop it after x seasons. And Martin must be getting used to those trucks full of cash backing up to his front door - beep, beep, beep.
im guessing ep10 will be closure on Kings Landing/sparrow arc and setup for the major White Walker arc for next season.
Now that Dany controls Maureen and the 3 former slave cities, how will she keep them AND still take Kings Landing?
she has 100k dorathi Calvary, 8k unsullied, 2k 2nd Sons mercs, 100+ ships, and 3 dragons.
the ships, calvary and dragons are coming with her to Kings Landing.
unsullied/2nd sons to keep control over 4 cities?
but those same 10k men failed b4 and lost 3 cities.
and who will rule these 4 cities while Dany is across the sea?
same triumvirate of tyrion/Grey Worm/nice tits?
The Vale had been content to sit out the recent wars behind their near impregnable defenses. They did not come to Rob's aid when requested either. There would be little reason for Jon to appeal to them as he had no relationship. Sansa played her association with Littlefinger close to the vest knowing that Jon probably wouldn't approve if her knew the whole story.
what was devos going to do with his archers in close combat?!
a little bit unbelievable that jon got his army surrounded like that.
and if devos didn't break position, then jon wouldn't have gotten surrounded?
why did the opening credits show riverrun and bravoos?
I didn't see any scenes that involve either one of them.
now I'm dying to know what's Littlefinger's price for helping?
sansa in marriage??
My only complaint is Rickon running in a straight line........
Contract negotiations. It doesn't matter though. Whether GoT gets renewed beyond season 8 or not probably doesn't matter since HBO will no doubt commission a spin off. The only question would be if they can do the spinoff with just the consent of Martin or if the current producers have intellectual property in some of the characters and would need to be bought off.
Show makes too much money for HBO to just drop it after x seasons. And Martin must be getting used to those trucks full of cash backing up to his front door - beep, beep, beep.
I just can't get over how stupid that CGI dog bite looked. The actor playing Ramsay couldn't even pretend to lurch at the moment the dog was supposed to lunge/grab? Also, how did Sansa release them by just standing there? I think it would've been so much better if they incorporated Ghost somehow.
Ramsay's aim getting better the further Rickon got was probably intended to show that he was toying with him by letting him last that long but they really should've taken notes from a similar scene in Apocalypto (excellent movie, BTW).
"The Sand Snakes" - 6 seasons and a movie!
Not that it matters, but Jon's strategy did make sense. They were going to attack, but not Jon going full ham alone. Forcing his cavalry to charge full tilt to save him. After attacking with the strategy they were originally planning, they were anticipating Ramsey's men would push forward if the center of the Stark forces gave. Drawing them into the defensive positions Jon's army had prepared. The whole point was to prevent that shield wall envelopment maneuver they were caught in, due to Jon getting played by Ramsey.Jon's strategy made no sense. Jon's army HAD to attack, since they are the ones that want Winterfell. All Ramsey had to do was wait. They even had the burning effigies lined up to give his archers range markers for more accuracy. Ramsey had the perfect upper hand in a defensive battle (Higher ground, 2x troops size). I don't think Jon executing on his strategy would've mattered at all.
They had to have wunwun suck, or as I mentioned, he would have gone full Sauron and rekt 5-10 dudes a swipe. Broke the shield wall and changed the whole battle. Instead he swiped at spears like Frankenstein's monster swiping at torches, shouting "fire bad!"[DHT]Osiris;38305233 said:Wunwun should have had like, a rock on a rope. Or a burning tree limb. Hell, he could have stolen two of those pigstickers the phalanx troupe was using and just started skewering people. Someone dropped the ball on that one.
Thoughts on possibility of every male in a potential leadership role ending up as a ruler, per the tagline of 'All Men Must Die'? Danny takes the throne, sand snakes in the south, Yara on the islands, Jon dies leaving Sansa/Arya in Winterfell (maybe Sansa goes to vale to marry LF, kills him, takes the vale for herself?).
"The Sand Snakes" - 6 seasons and a movie!
The overall battle was probably the worst one I have ever seen depicted. The neat piles of bodies, the troops dutifully waiting while the bolton troops encircle them, the "gate" of winterfell being a big wooden door.
Come on. Most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
The individual fight scenes were well done however which made the overall ridiculousness even more infuriating.
I hope that is a very minority opinion.The overall battle was probably the worst one I have ever seen depicted.
Devos would have still had the same issue, his archers would have been hitting his people as well as the Bolton's. Ramesy just didn't care. The only move for him was to either join the fray or just watch his army fall knowing they'd come for him next.
and how about a shield?Regarding the giant... how the heck did he not have any kind of weapon? And by weapon I am including simple tree stumps. If he had anything other than his fists that whole fight would've been very different.
I guess that's why they gave him no weapon in the show. That's bad writing, but whatever.
what was devos going to do with his archers in close combat?!
a little bit unbelievable that jon got his army surrounded like that.
and if devos didn't break position, then jon wouldn't have gotten surrounded?
why did the opening credits show riverrun and bravoos?
I didn't see any scenes that involve either one of them.
now I'm dying to know what's Littlefinger's price for helping?
sansa in marriage??
If you watched the after show commentary, they said they took the ideas for the battle from famous historical ones. Getting encircled and massacred actually happened to the Romans though. Hannibal's men did it to them, is what the writer said, irrc.The piles of bodies might have been a bit overblown, but is not something that has ot happened in battles in the past.
I thought the fight scenes for the most part were some of the best ones I have seen in a long time.
As far as being encircled, they were fresh troops rushing in, looked a pretty classic Roman Legion maneuver to me. The guys in the middle have been wearing armor and slashing away for awhile now, lots are injured and worn out at that point and trying to stay massed back to back.
I did notice Wunwun grabbing a shield at one point and slapping people around with it, would be interesting to see a Giant with about a 10 foot long sword.
Screw Frankengor, if trial by combat Wunwun would have be great
Stomp, squish.
Next.
davos archers could have picked off a lot of the infantry that went to surround jon.
heck, that infantry's back will be to davos if they were to do continue the surrounding tactic.
if only davos held his position.