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Ichinisan

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^I knew if I waited long enough someone would chime in with a "I don't like it, see what a fart smeller... err smart feller I is". It's as impressive in its intellectual delinquency as the disrespectful sig and icon.

Keep making excuses for writing so bad it makes me cringe.
 

z1ggy

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If there was any danger of Rickon making it to safety Ramsey would have just ordered a volley fired.

This. End of story, the kid was going to die, one way or another. Stop trying to reason out fiction people....

With that said though, this episode was way too "happy go lucky" for the GoT we are used to. Everything was going to hell, then suddenly miracles all happened and everything was grand. Dany and her dragons suddenly stop the masters, and LF and his crew arrive literally just in time to save Jon and his army. Oh, and the big bad evil Ramsay meets a gruesome end.
 

Ichinisan

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There's also something to be said that Ramsey was a seasoned hunter and marksman with the bow. Even if Rickon did do some zigs and zags, odds are Ramsey would have still hit him. I still say Rickon was in pure terror mode and his brain was shut off. It's easy to pretend from their couches that everyone would be brilliant, and do the perfect possible thing there is to do, but when the shit hits the fan and panic sets in, most people's higher thinking shuts off. Unless someone trained Rickon to dodge arrows being shot at him while running, there's little chance he'd do anything other than run straight to Jon.[/SPOILER]



To negate the marksmanship of the archer, all you have to do is change directions with greater frequency than the archer's rate of fire. Pretty easy.
 

Newbian

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This. End of story, the kid was going to die, one way or another. Stop trying to reason out fiction people....

With that said though, this episode was way too "happy go lucky" for the GoT we are used to. Everything was going to hell, then suddenly miracles all happened and everything was grand. Dany and her dragons suddenly stop the masters, and LF and his crew arrive literally just in time to save Jon and his army. Oh, and the big bad evil Ramsay meets a gruesome end.

I was wondering about how the greyjoy's just showed up all of a sudden myself as we saw one small part of them in a port somewhere and all of a sudden they are in front of the queen during the battle like that.

At least show them sailing into the city after the battle was over or something.

Too bad dany's army is mostly the dothraki and if it wasn't for the dragons they wouldn't be able to do shit about taking any castles over if they ever do sail over as we have seen they have no siege ability and their weapons suck against the armored foes they would had faced as we saw before.
 
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Triumph

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I thought Battle of the Bastards was annoying. Snow and Davos had a plan which they didn't even bother to try and maintain. Sansa tried to give Snow some advice, and he wouldn't even listen to her. Then when what she said came true, he didn't listen to her again, instead he did exactly what Bolton wanted him to do - and exactly what Sansa said Bolton would do. So annoying.

I just wish it hadn't been so "Riders of Rohan come to save the day." If they had at least put up a little bit of a fight, I would've liked it better. Don't really care that Rickon is dead, he was a useless character anyway.

And I like Sansa more after this episode.
 

Dr. Zaus

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^more IQ points!

Isn't disliking enjoyable things better than enjoying them? I certainly think so.

Keep making excuses for writing so bad it makes me cringe.

No excuses needed: only a little thing called "theory of mind". It's where you realize that not everyone thinks of the world in the same way as you.

When people (regular humans, not the grammar nazi angry-ists who dwell on forums) are motivated by something they don't break into robot-vulcan mode and do a weighted cost-benefit analysis: They usually act without thinking and justify those actions after the fact.

In the moment of action our intellect helps us survive our decisions, and if we're really lucky: reflect on them. Rarely does it make those decisions for us; as most decision making has already been out-sourced to basic ethics and emotions.

What some experience as a 'cringe' is what less grammarian sorts might experience as 'pathos'.
 

Artorias

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Anyways, does anyone else think in the last episode we finally see Danny sail to Westeros? Is it too soon yet again?

Also, when the hell is winter coming, I swear if this show wraps up before we even get to see the continent in ice age mode I'm going to be pissed.
 

Kev

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1) Because then the fight would have gone differently and there would have been less fake peril and no chance for a last second escape.

2) Because then they would have waited and won and there would have been less fake peril and no chance for a last second escape.

4) Because then he would have gotten away easily and there would have been less fake peril for Jon and no chance for a tragic last second death.


Don't try to reason things out anymore, the show has completely abandoned even trying to have characters act intelligently. It's now 100% people doing things the dumbest way imaginable to create fake dangerous situations so that there can be a miracle right at the very last moment. Things have become such a tired old cliche that the old western standard of the heroes being seconds from death hoping for the cavalry to show up and save them from a hopeless situation has been stolen without even pretending to make it original. GOT heroes are seconds from death and a real honest to god cavalry shows up to save them from a hopeless situation.

It's freaking hilarious what this show does to create tension and get the heroes out of it now. It's like a Saturday morning cartoon, all that's missing is Dudley Dooright riding in to get Nell off the train tracks seconds before the train runs her over. Maybe the show is doing it on purpose to kill GRRM with frustration at watching what they're doing to his books so that someone else can take over the writing and finish the damn series.

Why do you even watch the show? You obviously hate every aspect of it.
 

GagHalfrunt

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This. End of story, the kid was going to die, one way or another. Stop trying to reason out fiction people....

No, not that. Only end of story for braindead fanboys who lack the common sense to understand that people don't act that way. Why do you keep making up excuses for the laziest writing in TV history by just accepting that every single person lacks the common sense of the green stuff growing in my shower?

Yes, Ramsay probably would have ordered a volley. So what? Rickon didn't have the time to reason that out. His instincts would be to run away from the arrows and he'd dodge. The trained soldiers would not simply say "he's done for" and stop to have lunch. They're scream at Rickon to dodge. They wouldn't care about how easy it is communicate with a panicked kid, they'd STILL scream the right thing to do which would be to dodge!!

Are you so monumentally stupid that you think Rickon would simply accept the fact that he was dead no matter what he did? Bullshit, Bullshit, BULLSHIT!!! If that was the case he would not have run at all. He was trying to get away and he would have dodged after the first arrow. Everyone would have dodged.

That entire scene was predicated on the writers thinking it would look cool to have him running across the field with Ramsay calmly firing arrows one by one to set up the dramatic near rescue. But to make it work they needed Rickon to behave in a completely realistic way and rather than coming up with something that would generate the same drama while having people behave like normal people, they just went it the path of least resistance. And why not? It's what they've done for every scene and every character this season.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Why do you even watch the show? You obviously hate every aspect of it.

No no no. I used to love every aspect of it. Now I laugh at every aspect of it. It went from being one of the most intelligently written and plotted shows in TV history to something so stupid that the stories would not be believable for Adam West Batman, Michael Bay's Transformer movies or Roadrunner/Coyote cartoons. It's inadvertently turned into a remarkably entertaining parody of itself and it's freaking hilarious.

If it had merely gotten bad I would hate it, but it got SOOOO bad that it's good. It's absolutely brilliant camp.
 
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CZroe

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If there was any danger of Rickon making it to safety Ramsey would have just ordered a volley fired.

...and that would've been infinitely better than what they did. It would've been perfect: Ramsay realizes that weavin' Rickon made it too far for him to reasonably target, so he orders a volley that crashes down in front of Jon, killing Rickon. It fits his character and would've made everything so much better, including Jon's response and Sansa's revenge.
 

PingviN

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As shitty a commander as John is, and as stupid as the corpse wall was, I think this is one of the best episode of this show so far.
 

Skel

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To negate the marksmanship of the archer, all you have to do is change directions with greater frequency than the archer's rate of fire. Pretty easy.

Prob the last thing I'll say on this matter.. but Rickon was 6 when he left Winterfell. Not sure when he had time to learn and practice the skill of arrow dodging. What in the series has Rickon done that makes anyone think he'd be someone that wouldn't just panic in pure terror? I've said it before, and I'll say it again, when terror hits people stop thinking. It's a thing that's been proven over and over again. That's why the military trains people to do the same thing over and over again as the odds are people will fall back to muscle memory. Rickon wouldn't ever have the chance to learn much in the ways of fighting let alone how to think clearly enough to start dodging vs running straight to the guy riding straight at him. Even then they showed in earlier seasons that Ramsey made a sport of hunting people with his bow and never once lost. Those people were in forests and other areas that had cover. How Rickon was supposed to be able to beat Ramsey in an OPEN field with NO cover would be odder than what happened.

You and I can sit in our chairs and declare it simple, but we're just playing armchair quarterback without a clue what it's like on field. Here is some kid that hasn't once seen much combat, let alone the size of the Battle of the Bastards, it'd be terrifying. I'm a little hazy on how much time has passed over the course of the show, but I'm betting it's not been long enough for a kid who was 6 when it started to have his balls drop, let alone be someone that doesn't panic under fire.
 

Kev

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It's amazing to me that we just saw probably one of the best battle scenes ever filmed, TV or movie, and yet some of you people STILL focus on a minor flaw which encompassed about 1 minute of the hour long episode. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Get a grip already.
 

Fingolfin269

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My biggest problem with Rickon's death was that it was basically the most meaningless of the Stark deaths. And maybe that is just the book reader coming out in me. Most of Martin's writing basically led us to always expect the unexpected. So we have Rickon handed over to Ramsay for what we assumed must have been some reason. Something bigger than what we were delivered.

And no Ghost.
 

Ichinisan

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It's amazing to me that we just saw probably one of the best battle scenes ever filmed, TV or movie, and yet some of you people STILL focus on a minor flaw which encompassed about 1 minute of the hour long episode. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Get a grip already.

I saw a lame attempt to grab elements from Gladiator, 300, and LotR. It would be fine if they weren't sloppy in the way it was strung together. I would expect millennials to be happy with it.
 

Ichinisan

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Prob the last thing I'll say on this matter.. but Rickon was 6 when he left Winterfell. Not sure when he had time to learn and practice the skill of arrow dodging. What in the series has Rickon done that makes anyone think he'd be someone that wouldn't just panic in pure terror? I've said it before, and I'll say it again, when terror hits people stop thinking. It's a thing that's been proven over and over again. That's why the military trains people to do the same thing over and over again as the odds are people will fall back to muscle memory. Rickon wouldn't ever have the chance to learn much in the ways of fighting let alone how to think clearly enough to start dodging vs running straight to the guy riding straight at him. Even then they showed in earlier seasons that Ramsey made a sport of hunting people with his bow and never once lost. Those people were in forests and other areas that had cover. How Rickon was supposed to be able to beat Ramsey in an OPEN field with NO cover would be odder than what happened.

You and I can sit in our chairs and declare it simple, but we're just playing armchair quarterback without a clue what it's like on field. Here is some kid that hasn't once seen much combat, let alone the size of the Battle of the Bastards, it'd be terrifying. I'm a little hazy on how much time has passed over the course of the show, but I'm betting it's not been long enough for a kid who was 6 when it started to have his balls drop, let alone be someone that doesn't panic under fire.
Oh. Come. On.

None of us were trained either. If you move erratically, it's more difficult to hit you. It's more difficult to hit an erratic animal than one that moves in a straight line (or stands still). Also, he's been with a wildling for a long time now. Apparently, most of them are AWESOME archers.

Heck, I was pissed off that a single wildling didn't step in and take out Ramsey while Ramsey was standing still in the open.
 

MongGrel

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Oh. Come. On.

None of us were trained either. If you move erratically, it's more difficult to hit you. It's more difficult to hit an erratic animal than one that moves in a straight line (or stands still). Also, he's been with a wildling for a long time now. Apparently, most of them are AWESOME archers.

Heck, I was pissed off that a single wildling didn't step in and take out Ramsey while Ramsey was standing still in the open.

An accurate bow shot at the range they were at is ridiculously hard to pull off.

I used to shoot black birds out of trees with a 35 lb bow when I was about 12.

I did like Ramsey's old school compound bow. Was pretty slick looking.
 
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