HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

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zinfamous

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Yeah, the Mormont chick is badass. She really twisted that knife in Littlefinger's side.


My money is still on Gendry claiming the throne once the dust has settled, naming the cockmerchant as hand of the king.


(Or maybe Pod + cockmerchant. That seems more appropriate)
 

zinfamous

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To be fair they will largely be useless in westeros as they can't do anything against the castles with no siege skills and their weapons are not designed for armored fighters.

More like cannon fodder then anything right now.

That would be fine for Daaernaerys. She doesn't want raiders and rapists running around her kingdom (dragged that out of Yara's fealty), so deploying the Dothraki as pawns in her upcoming battles will further serve to limit/eliminate their future numbers, assuming she gains the kingdoms.
 

zinfamous

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the power to control dragons kills your mother during childbirth? hence Danny, Jon, and Tyrion?

King Aerys was Tyrion's real father. Kinda awesome he used wildfire to repel Stannis' attack. and why the dragon didn't turn Tyrion into a crispy critter in the dungeon.

I'm picturing the 3 of them each riding atop a dragon fighting the white walkers...ehhh seems to corny. I would think Tyrion wouldn't be able to hold on. maybe with a saddle?

I don't think these assumptions are going anywhere. After the earlier poster pointed out the Tyrion + Danaesrys + Jon = 3-headed dragon part of the prophecy, their connection ends there.

Jon may be a half-brother (half nephew?) of Daesrny, but he isn't an inbred, white-haired Targaryen. He shouldn't be fireproof like Daraernys. He shouldn't be able to control dragons.

Not sure where the speculation is coming about Tryrion not being the son of Tywin...that seems a bit out there. I don't see any reason to take Tywin's "You're no son of mine" as some literal statement of fact. That phrase has only ever been the same cliche'd trope that any father says to his hated freak son in nearly ever piece of fiction.
 

JEDI

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I don't understand how they are going to give the Lannisters any sort of fighting chance next season, unless something elsewhere derails Dany and her crew on the way (I guess Theon's uncle with his thousands of ships could interrupt things en route?).

Otherwise it is Dany and her dragons, the Sand Snakes/Dornish, the Tyrells, the Ironmen, and the Dothraki horde, all against a depleted Lannister force with barely any allies since so much of their army before was made up of Tyrells. Seems like a straight up slaughter to me. Maybe Qyburn can revive thousands of dead people to fight for the queen?

I sure hope this means we are done with Esteros; so freaking bored of that place.

KT

b4 the big battle between dany and lannisters, white walkers show up.
enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Jamie kills cersai and allies himself w/dany + Jon snow to combat white walkers.


how do u think the white walkers will get past the Wall?
 

GagHalfrunt

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Not sure where the speculation is coming about Tryrion not being the son of Tywin...that seems a bit out there. I don't see any reason to take Tywin's "You're no son of mine" as some literal statement of fact. That phrase has only ever been the same cliche'd trope that any father says to his hated freak son in nearly ever piece of fiction.

There are a lot of little comments like that. "You're no son of mine", "I will raise you as my son since I can't prove that you're not", etc

There's also Tyrion's connection to the dragons, they took a liking to him and seemed to understand him when he set them free. That could prove that dragons are smarter than we thought, but it could also imply something more.

There are other things which cannot be discussed.
 

GagHalfrunt

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b4 the big battle between dany and lannisters, white walkers show up.
enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Jamie kills cersai and allies himself w/dany + Jon snow to combat white walkers.


how do u think the white walkers will get past the Wall?


Either the Wall comes down or Bran fucks it up like he did with the cave. My bet would be that he goes south and when he passes under the Wall that breaks the Walls magic.
 

Sonikku

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Anyone find it interesting how the women now hold all the power? Dany in her side of the world, the first queen of the iron isles, Cersei in king's landing, scorpion trio in Dorne etc. The new king in the north seems the only exception.
 

zinfamous

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There are a lot of little comments like that. "You're no son of mine", "I will raise you as my son since I can't prove that you're not", etc

There's also Tyrion's connection to the dragons, they took a liking to him and seemed to understand him when he set them free. That could prove that dragons are smarter than we thought, but it could also imply something more.

There are other things which cannot be discussed.

I forgot the second statement. In the shows there really isn't any mention (at least that I don't recall) of where Tywin and his wife were in relation to Tyrion's conception, so I see what you're saying.

The inbreeding of Targaryan's thing, added to the inbreeding of the Lannisters thing lends some argument for Tyrion being "a freak," ....but in reality he should be the "best specimen" of the bunch, being the only out-bred example of either family if this were the case.

Also, since Daesrny's brother also had the white hair and was also inbred, why didn't he display the same asbestos properties of Dasernaserys?
 

JEDI

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Anyone find it interesting how the women now hold all the power? Dany in her side of the world, the first queen of the iron isles, Cersei in king's landing, scorpion trio in Dorne etc. The new king in the north seems the only exception.

he's just a puppet for Sansa.
she's eyeing the Iron Throne for herself.

"such a pretty picture..."
 

GagHalfrunt

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I forgot the second statement. In the shows there really isn't any mention (at least that I don't recall) of where Tywin and his wife were in relation to Tyrion's conception, so I see what you're saying.

The inbreeding of Targaryan's thing, added to the inbreeding of the Lannisters thing lends some argument for Tyrion being "a freak," ....but in reality he should be the "best specimen" of the bunch, being the only out-bred example of either family if this were the case.

Also, since Daesrny's brother also had the white hair and was also inbred, why didn't he display the same asbestos properties of Dasernaserys?

A couple of other things:

Dany's mother died from complications of giving birth. Jon's mother died from complications of giving birth. Tyrion's mother died from complications of giving birth. That could be something, how many other characters have their mothers demise drilled into out heads repeatedly over six seasons?

There's also the way Tywin seems to accept Tyrion's whoring/drinking/insolence. Tywin was ALL about family. Since Jaime was Kingsguard and couldn't inherit, if Tyrion was a true heir who would have gotten Casterly Rock Tywin might have spent more time whipping him into shape.
 

Drako

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Anyone find it interesting how the women now hold all the power? Dany in her side of the world, the first queen of the iron isles, Cersei in king's landing, scorpion trio in Dorne etc. The new king in the north seems the only exception.

I'm pretty sure the Night King is a guy. :hmm:
 

blankslate

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Jon may be a half-brother (half nephew?) of Daesrny, but he isn't an inbred, white-haired Targaryen. He shouldn't be fireproof like Daraernys. He shouldn't be able to control dragons.

Anyone with Targaryen blood might have a natural affinity for controlling Dragons...

Direwolves are almost semi-mythical in their own right. afaik no normal person ever successfully tamed them.

"Did they try an fail?"

"No, they tried and died."*


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JEDI

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wish the show producers would answer questions about their thinking on creating these scenes:

1) killing of pycell where it seems there was no need to since he was going to the Sept to be blown up w/everyone else.

2) Lancel following that kid.
he was leading his zealots to get cersai and probably expects a fight w/the mountain.
why did he abandon his leadership and chase the kid?

it'll be like jon snow not leading the battle vs Ramsey and instead decides to take rickon and bury him a few miles away.

3) varys teleportation but I guess that's been answered.
time line in mareem took ALOT longer than the timeline in kings landing.
weeks go by between sept being blown up, tomlin suicide, and cersai taking the Iron Throne.
where as months for Varys.

4) and whatever other plot holes during that eps and thruout the season


did the creators do a discussion about their thought process on any of the previous season finales?
 
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Artorias

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Anyone find it interesting how the women now hold all the power? Dany in her side of the world, the first queen of the iron isles, Cersei in king's landing, scorpion trio in Dorne etc. The new king in the north seems the only exception.

Its a trick, all the women might end up controlling nothing but the ashes by the end of the show, seems like something GRRM might end up doing.
 

zinfamous

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A couple of other things:

Dany's mother died from complications of giving birth. Jon's mother died from complications of giving birth. Tyrion's mother died from complications of giving birth. That could be something, how many other characters have their mothers demise drilled into out heads repeatedly over six seasons?

right, I already acknowledged that in the earlier post, re: a poster's earlier claim of using that connection as the "triple-headed dragon" in the prophecy or whatever it was. seems legit

There's also the way Tywin seems to accept Tyrion's whoring/drinking/insolence. Tywin was ALL about family. Since Jaime was Kingsguard and couldn't inherit, if Tyrion was a true heir who would have gotten Casterly Rock Tywin might have spent more time whipping him into shape.

Tywin was also a complete dick. While there may be something to that interpretation, it really isn't any more valid that just going with Tywin hated Tyrion and didn't really care about his boozing, never saw him as a legitimate heir, because he simply hated him for killing his wife...and being a freak. Besides, I recall Tywin already banging into Tyrion's head that he stood to inherit Casterly Rock, anyway, right?

Seems to me that Tywin was projecting most of his anger over how all of his children disappointed him in many ways: Jaime giving up his inheritance, Cersei being psycho, Jamie and Cersei constantly boinking and further proving the Lannister scandalous stereotypes--creating even more work for Tywin to bury their secrets--Tyrion being a boozing freak wife-killer. On top of that, Tywin knew that Tryion was the smartest and most capable of the bunch and that seemed to just piss him off more.

But this story is going into so many unbelievable connections, it's just as likely that Tyrion is the result of a past-traveling Bran-as-raven impregnating Tywin's wife in order to stir up descent among the Lannisters, poisoning their dealings for that entire generation.
 

zinfamous

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well, at least we have moved on from the mortal crime that was not having Rickon zig-zag and on to the mortal crime that was having Lancel track some random kid for reasons.
 

Phoenix86

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I don't think these assumptions are going anywhere. After the earlier poster pointed out the Tyrion + Danaesrys + Jon = 3-headed dragon part of the prophecy, their connection ends there.

Jon may be a half-brother (half nephew?) of Daesrny, but he isn't an inbred, white-haired Targaryen. He shouldn't be fireproof like Daraernys. He shouldn't be able to control dragons.

Not all Targaryens were fireproof, and Jon was burned in season 2 (?) when he killed the wight by throwing the lantern at it so we know he's not fireproof.

Maybe it's something in their bloodline, I don't recall a previous dragon rider that wasn't a Targaryen, or maybe it's just something else completely unrelated. Don't have to have a special bond with a horse to ride it, it just needs to be trained/broken.
 

Phoenix86

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Tywin was also a complete dick. While there may be something to that interpretation, it really isn't any more valid that just going with Tywin hated Tyrion and didn't really care about his boozing, never saw him as a legitimate heir, because he simply hated him for killing his wife...and being a freak. Besides, I recall Tywin already banging into Tyrion's head that he stood to inherit Casterly Rock, anyway, right?

Tywin's plan was always to have Jaime inherit CR by giving up the King's Guard. He told Tyrion straight up he'd never be his heir. It's not something I picked up on but it makes a ton of sense that Tyrion might not be a true Lannister and that maybe Tywin knew it...
 

zinfamous

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Not all Targaryens were fireproof, and Jon was burned in season 2 (?) when he killed the wight by throwing the lantern at it so we know he's not fireproof.

Maybe it's something in their bloodline, I don't recall a previous dragon rider that wasn't a Targaryen, or maybe it's just something else completely unrelated. Don't have to have a special bond with a horse to ride it, it just needs to be trained/broken.

My impression with Dawenserys bonding with her dragons is simple imprinting, which pretty much all real bird species exhibit.

They were born with her in the fire, so she will always be their mother. It could be as simple as adaptive selection: some Targaryeans happened to be fireproof at some point and so were able to spend more time with dragons and learn how to raise them. It could be as natural as any such process in the real world.

While there is magic in the world, not all phenomena have to be explained by magic. Bran's ability to telepathically control critters is an outlier.
 

purbeast0

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i didn't think just being targaryean meant you were fireproof. didn't her brother die from melted gold of whatever being poured on his head?
 

zinfamous

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i didn't think just being targaryean meant you were fireproof. didn't her brother die from melted gold of whatever being poured on his head?

Right, I don't think it does, either, and I was suggesting that some Targaryens are.

I was going to point out how her brother died, but like loki I would also argue that molten gold is different than fire--I doubt Danaesryrs would survive having her skull bronzed like that. (that isn't an issue of a specific temperature tolerance--it's an issue of having molten metal poured down your throat and nose and ears, turning your body cavity into a mold)

I recall, though, that in one of the earlier scenes that season he was burned by fire/water or something like that when claiming how he was the only true Targaryen, and then soon after you see Danaserys walk into that boiling bath with no fucks given.

I'm pretty sure it was conveyed that between the two, only Daernyrs would be a "true fire-proof Targaryen."
 

Sonikku

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I think the Sparrow was a big let down. He seemed so clueless and ineffectual it seems out of character for him to drop the ball so brazenly.
 
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