HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

[Remobz]

He is back!! Woohooo!

 

[TiredEngineer]

Nights watch oath Jon said in season 1: "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."

Well, at least he has fulfilled his oath completely, and with full personal honor can do something more interesting than stay in the far north for the rest of his life.

 

[Charmonium]

So the red witch turned out to be useful after all huh?

 

[bononos]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/game-of-thrones-note-plot-hole_us_57211895e4b0b49df6a9ff65

Same ship different ship idgaf. One weak part of the show got removed. Thats probably the reason for the producers not putting in the same amount of resources/effort for the Dorne scenes/characters, because they were going to be killed off quickly.

 

[bononos]

"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."

Well, at least he has fulfilled his oath completely, and with full personal honor can do something more interesting than stay in the far north for the rest of his life.

That would make sense if he was the lawyerly sort who was looking for a way out and breaking the spirit if not the literal words of his oath. It would still be held against him.

I'm glad he's back but iirc he's in a reduced state, probably -0.25 to all his stats.

 

[Fire&Blood]

"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."

Well, at least he has fulfilled his oath completely, and with full personal honor can do something more interesting than stay in the far north for the rest of his life.

I don't think we can discuss that here, this thread doesn't allow spoilers, educated guesses don't seem to be allowed either. I don't blame any member specifically but I am tired of getting baited into revealing more than what the people who have problems digesting GOT can handle.

The only thread where open GOT discussion is allowed:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=38161699#post38161699

 

[Phoenix86]

Finally can end that discussion. I think most of us saw that coming a MILE away. Jon is freed of his duties with the watch and can march to Winterfell.

 

[dr150]

So all he needed was a proper clean-up with a hair cut/wash and some sculpting gel?....

 

[Newbian]

I don't think we can discuss that here, this thread doesn't allow spoilers, educated guesses don't seem to be allowed either. I don't blame any member specifically but I am tired of getting baited into revealing more than what the people who have problems digesting GOT can handle.

The only thread where open GOT discussion is allowed:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=38161699#post38161699

Meh it's fine as honestly 95% of the current season so far is past the books so it's all guess work unless the episodes gets leaked early again.

 

[bononos]

I don't think we can discuss that here, this thread doesn't allow spoilers, educated guesses don't seem to be allowed either. I don't blame any member specifically but I am tired of getting baited into revealing more than what the people who have problems digesting GOT can handle.
.......

The NW vows are in the tv show so theres no problem about spoilers let alone educated guesses. You just have to be halfway intelligent before posting in this thread.

 

[zinfamous]

Hey, did you guys notice that Roose Bolton was murdered? anyone? hmm.

By the way, since when did Old man Greyjoy have a long lost brother that could both be long lost and suddenly return to commit some murder (that for some reason needed to happen immediately because the writers say so) as if we were all familiar with and anticipating long lost brother to return?

Please tell me he at least appeared in some scene in season 2 or 3, even if only through discussion. This seems to be a worse story moment than the sand ladies showing up in King's Landing for reasons (OK, it's even worse than all of the Sand women--except that one's boobs).

Still way too many thin scenes this week, imo. Should have stuck with Arya, Castle Black, Tyrion, and King's Landing or Bran. ...seriously, who cares about the Iron Born anyway? I did like the Bran stuff. More flashbacks, plz.

Best moment: "It's what I do--I drink and I know things."

And was I the only one kinda hoping that the firebeard Wildling would show up, see Snow's corpse, and immediately lop off his head out of instinct? That would have been funny. "What are you dummies doing? You got to burn the corpse!"

 

[Jeeebus]

The Balon scene was pretty random. I agree that the political struggle for who will replace him as King of the Iron Isles is about as interesting as the Dorne storyline - which is to say not interesting at all. My big fear with the show passing the books is we're going to get more of these useless side plots that fill up time but don't push the story forward.

Roose should have chopped off Ramsay's head the moment the maester said it's a boy. With all the family on family murder last night, I made sure my kids were asleep before checking out for the night.

 

[Xonim]

My big fear with the show passing the books is we're going to get more of these useless side plots that fill up time but don't push the story forward.

It'll be worse if these things end up being important in the end ... because we've been given pretty much nothing about WHY. For old man Iron Born,

Spoiler

if the story wasn't important, he could have just fallen off the bridge -- it was rainy and windy and he hadn't been at sea for a while, the camera showed him struggling before his brother appeared. If the brother wasn't important, why not just have him fall off? And yet, AFAIK this is the first we've seen of him.

Some backstory would be nice.

 

[Spineshank]

In the books the Balon scene happens a little differently. And his brother is introduced differently as well.

 

[CZroe]

So all he needed was a proper clean-up with a hair cut/wash and some sculpting gel?....

I was thinking how cool it would have been if they did that to screw with the Kit Harrington "hair watch" people who were watching the actor's hair to determine if he is really dead on the show (new style = dead; maintained style = still in character).

 

[K1052]

Roose should have chopped off Ramsay's head the moment the maester said it's a boy. With all the family on family murder last night, I made sure my kids were asleep before checking out for the night.

Ramsay had been too much of a liability for a while but Roose obviously had a soft spot for him, with all his own murderous cunning that should have had alarm bells going off. I was expecting one of them not to make it out of that scene when he heard it was a boy.

 

[purbeast0]

i just watched the first 2 eps last night back to back. i didn't think the first episode was slow/bad at all, i liked it a lot actually.

but you all are 100% on with the dorne chicks. holy shit those scenes are painful to watch. it's kind of odd how the acting overall in this show is fantastic, then they go to dorne and it's like fucking amateur hour. the boat scene where they murder the prince was probably the worst acted scene i've ever seen in an HBO show. it was like as bad as Tyrant if not worse.

 

[Riverhound777]

With Jon back and possibly free from his oath, I wonder if we will finally get some more info on who his parents are? Maybe with the Bran trips back in time they will show what happened. I'm leaning towards Lyanna and Rhaegar and Ned fulfilling Lyanna's last wish to take the boy to raise him. I never believed that Ned cheated on Catelyn.

If that is the case, wouldn't Jon have an even better claim to the throne than Daenerys?

 

[zinfamous]

With Jon back and possibly free from his oath, I wonder if we will finally get some more info on who his parents are? Maybe with the Bran trips back in time they will show what happened. I'm leaning towards Lyanna and Rhaegar and Ned fulfilling Lyanna's last wish to take the boy to raise him. I never believed that Ned cheated on Catelyn.

If that is the case, wouldn't Jon have an even better claim to the throne than Daenerys?

He would still be a bastard, no, just like Ramsay and the assumed Ned + random barwhore mistress story that created Jon? Even though Lyanna was of noble/firstmen stock, doesn't it have to be the Lord/King's wife to be a legitimate heir?

But that does make a ton of sense and puts a far greater stake on hiding/protecting/carrying the secret of Jon Snow's lineage. Even as a bastard he would have claim (like Gendry paddling away in his boat), but it would be less than Daenery's claim, wouldn't it (because Jon Snow would not have been granted lineage as Roose did with Ramsay)?

 

[Axon]

With Jon back and possibly free from his oath, I wonder if we will finally get some more info on who his parents are? Maybe with the Bran trips back in time they will show what happened. I'm leaning towards Lyanna and Rhaegar and Ned fulfilling Lyanna's last wish to take the boy to raise him. I never believed that Ned cheated on Catelyn.

If that is the case, wouldn't Jon have an even better claim to the throne than Daenerys?

I think we will know next Sunday, which is conveniently mother's day. And yes, assuming that theory is correct, his claim is as strong as Dany's.

 

[alien42]

He would still be a bastard, no, just like Ramsay and the assumed Ned + random barwhore mistress story that created Jon? Even though Lyanna was of noble/firstmen stock, doesn't it have to be the Lord/King's wife to be a legitimate heir?

But that does make a ton of sense and puts a far greater stake on hiding/protecting/carrying the secret of Jon Snow's lineage. Even as a bastard he would have claim (like Gendry paddling away in his boat), but it would be less than Daenery's claim, wouldn't it (because Jon Snow would not have been granted lineage as Roose did with Ramsay)?

don't forget the Starks sat on the throne before being overthrown by the Targaryens. if Jon Snow is the child of Lyanna and Rhaegar, he has royal blood from two different families.

 

[Subyman]

Finally can end that discussion. I think most of us saw that coming a MILE away. Jon is freed of his duties with the watch and can march to Winterfell.

Exactly, I put one and one together about 10 mins after the last season ended.

 

[K1052]

I think we will know next Sunday, which is conveniently mother's day. And yes, assuming that theory is correct, his claim is as strong as Dany's.

He has a claim however he's never shown any such ambition. I'd suspect that he becomes legitimized as a Stark by the northern lords with Sansa's endorsement and they side with the Targaryens upon their return and possibly becomes Warden of the North. If/when he finds out about his status he'd probably use the power to get people's attention on the almost certain doom for everyone yawning out of the north.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The Balon scene was pretty random. I agree that the political struggle for who will replace him as King of the Iron Isles is about as interesting as the Dorne storyline - which is to say not interesting at all. My big fear with the show passing the books is we're going to get more of these useless side plots that fill up time but don't push the story forward.

Roose should have chopped off Ramsay's head the moment the maester said it's a boy. With all the family on family murder last night, I made sure my kids were asleep before checking out for the night.

Roose still needed Ramsay. He was a trusted battle commander and clearly didn't mind getting his hands bloody. I think that Roose made a mistake not putting Ramsay first in the line of succession. Write up some proclamation to the effect of "Now that I have a second son let's make this clear: Ramsay is first born and has now been legitimized. He is my heir and yada yada yada." Then a little later when Ramsay outlived his usefulness and the kid is older, have Ramsay whacked.

With Jon back and possibly free from his oath, I wonder if we will finally get some more info on who his parents are? Maybe with the Bran trips back in time they will show what happened. I'm leaning towards Lyanna and Rhaegar and Ned fulfilling Lyanna's last wish to take the boy to raise him. I never believed that Ned cheated on Catelyn.

That much is a given. They didn't introduce Lyanna via flashback just because they needed to pad out the episode. She is Chekhov's Gun and was only shown now because she's going to be important later on this season. If they were not going to delve into Jon's backstory she would not have been shown at all.

Everything that drove me crazy about the wasted time and opportunity in the first episode has been atoned for. This one they made count.

Jon's Back
Lyanna appears to begin setting up Jon's backstory
The dragons are loose and about to inflict some fiery vengeance. And they neatly showed how intelligent the dragons are, now they can do some independent thinking to find Daenerys.
Zombgor makes his first kill
Thommen goes running back to Cersei for help, so she's back in power
The Wildings save the Nights Watch cementing that alliance
Ramsay overthrows Roose
Euron kills Balon
Arya has made her amends and can resume her training

Man, that was a whole lot of important stuff crammed into a single episode.

And nothing from Dorne, wahoo!!!

 

[basslover1]

I think we will know next Sunday, which is conveniently mother's day. And yes, assuming that theory is correct, his claim is as strong as Dany's.

It would be stronger, actually. Rhaegar is Danny's older brother, which would make Jon her uncle. Children of head of house inherit before siblings of head of house.