I haven't read the books past the first couple chapters of the first book. All I did was copy and paste the vow that Jon said in season 1. The rest is a guess based on the fact that he died and the oath mentions it is fulfilled with his death.
I don't think we can discuss that here, this thread doesn't allow spoilers, educated guesses don't seem to be allowed either. I don't blame any member specifically but I am tired of getting baited into revealing more than what the people who have problems digesting GOT can handle.
The only thread where open GOT discussion is allowed:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=38161699#post38161699
wtf Tyrion becoming Dragon Whisperer?!
tyrion has never met the dragons b4.
uggg...
now if tyrion brought Missandei with him then that would have been a different story.
so we now have the 3rd dragon rider -> tyrion
Hey, did you guys notice that Roose Bolton was murdered? anyone? hmm.
I think that was meant to show that the dragons are intelligent and not merely lapdogs loyal to a familiar person. They understood what he was doing and might have been able to understand his words as well. That's going to be important.
It would be stronger, actually. Rhaegar is Danny's older brother, which would make Jon her uncle. Children of head of house inherit before siblings of head of house.
Can someone explain to me the whole religious cult thing? They took power after shitty king came to throne?
Can someone explain to me the whole religious cult thing? They took power after shitty king came to throne?
Can someone explain to me the whole religious cult thing? They took power after shitty king came to throne?
That much is a given. They didn't introduce Lyanna via flashback just because they needed to pad out the episode. She is Chekhov's Gun and was only shown now because she's going to be important later on this season. If they were not going to delve into Jon's backstory she would not have been shown at all.
There's also the book theory that the high sparrow is an important character we've never had first hand experience with. If true it could make the king's landing plot very interesting.Pretty much, yes. The lowest of society suffered under Joffrey and turned to religion. Once the High Septon is killed in the riots, a new one is chosen. In this case, the leader of the Sparrows was chosen as the High Septon. He's a bit more fanatical then the last one.
I think that was meant to show that the dragons are intelligent and not merely lapdogs loyal to a familiar person. They understood what he was doing and might have been able to understand his words as well. That's going to be important.
There's also a reasonably plausible theory that Tyrion is Aerys Targaryen's son and is not related to Tywin at all. If that's true the Targaryen blood would probably give him an affinity for communicating with dragons.
the show set the up the scene by tyrion asking Missandei if she has ever been harmed by the dragons.
then tyrion says he wants to take the chains off them.
my 1st thought was he sends Missandei.
2nd thought was he goes with Missandei in the hopes that if the dragons see Missandei ok w/tyrion, then they'll be ok w/him.
wtfbbq that he goes w/o her or grey worm, the 2 left in the city that the dragons are familiar with?!
the dragons should have bbq'd his ass the moment he got within flame thrower range
Best moment: "It's what I do--I drink and I know things."
He would still be a bastard, no, just like Ramsay and the assumed Ned + random barwhore mistress story that created Jon? Even though Lyanna was of noble/firstmen stock, doesn't it have to be the Lord/King's wife to be a legitimate heir?
But that does make a ton of sense and puts a far greater stake on hiding/protecting/carrying the secret of Jon Snow's lineage. Even as a bastard he would have claim (like Gendry paddling away in his boat), but it would be less than Daenery's claim, wouldn't it (because Jon Snow would not have been granted lineage as Roose did with Ramsay)?
The Balon scene was pretty random. I agree that the political struggle for who will replace him as King of the Iron Isles is about as interesting as the Dorne storyline - which is to say not interesting at all. My big fear with the show passing the books is we're going to get more of these useless side plots that fill up time but don't push the story forward.
Roose should have chopped off Ramsay's head the moment the maester said it's a boy. With all the family on family murder last night, I made sure my kids were asleep before checking out for the night.
Didn't Stannis already legitimize him so he'd follow him into war? Even if he hadn't, it wouldn't take much for Onion Knight guy to say that he was. I'm not 100% sure how legitimizing someone works but they've set up a couple of ways he could be a Stark in full name without anyone questioning it.
He would still be a bastard, no, just like Ramsay and the assumed Ned + random barwhore mistress story that created Jon? Even though Lyanna was of noble/firstmen stock, doesn't it have to be the Lord/King's wife to be a legitimate heir?
But that does make a ton of sense and puts a far greater stake on hiding/protecting/carrying the secret of Jon Snow's lineage. Even as a bastard he would have claim (like Gendry paddling away in his boat), but it would be less than Daenery's claim, wouldn't it (because Jon Snow would not have been granted lineage as Roose did with Ramsay)?
I recall Jon refusing Stannis' offer at least twice, because it would have meant reneging on his vow, and Jon is all about that vow.
Random as fuck, but it's basically catching up the rest of the "old people leading a house die/get killed so the next generation can take over" theme. I'm pretty sure his brother won't actually take the house, Balon's daughter will. I think he was brought in solely to kill Balon so she didn't have blood on her hands.
I expect Dorne and Iron Isles will be important in the end game, not just fluff. They just seem like fluff because we don't know how they play into things... I hope.
I recall Jon refusing Stannis' offer at least twice, because it would have meant reneging on his vow, and Jon is all about that vow.
I remember him refusing to go as well.. but I wasn't sure if he still legitimized him. Even if he hadn't it wouldn't take much for Sir Onion guy to say he was. Again, I"m not sure how it all works. Ramsey had a scroll on it, but I'm not sure if that was just his way of writing it down.
As for resurrections, it's not just the one unimportant dude:
Kal Drogo was resurrected, but into a catatonic state. It was shown in the first season that it was possible, but the process could be poisoned if either the sorcerer/ess wanted it so, or perhaps depending on the method/type of magic/type, or of person being brought back.
Also, with the Mountain: another person brought back from the dead in an essentially crude but functional manner. The knowledge to do it seems to have long existed in that world and is accessible by those who seek it out, but caution: results may vary.
An interesting issue that bringing Jon back brings--though we don't yet know what kind of state he will be in--which god is the true god? Is the LoL for real? It does seem that in the one case we now know for sure, those resurrections are fully legit and seem to require very minimal knowledge (that one dude was not a priest and never understood the words, but always able to bring his pal back in mostly the same state--and now Firecrotch seemed to be putting her best guess forward and it happened pretty quickly).
If Jon comes back as Jon 2.0: just like Jon Snow but with Kung-Fu grip, then I guess we know that the LoL is the real shit compared to the other gods; accepting maybe that many-faced fellow.
Not only that, but no one really recognized Stannis as the king, only the king can legitimize a bastard.
Here's my take on it. How/why they resurrect someone matters. The witch wanted to poison the ceremony for revenge, so Drogo came out catatonic.
Pycelle isn't using magic (or very little) and doesn't have a full grasp of how to do it, however he does know how to make them stronger.
Thoros is closest to having it right. He believes in his god, who apparently has the power, and truly wants to bring back Beric. He does it really good, but not quite perfect as Baric said he lost a little bit of himself each time.
Melissandre obviously has more power than Thoros, but she didn't know she could resurrect the dead, until now. She has faith and power. I bet Jon comes back very close to his original self. Maybe a touch better, maybe a touch less.
Best moment: "It's what I do--I drink and I know things."