HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

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zinfamous

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I wouldn't focus too much on the ONE TRUE GAWD thing. At this point from both the books and the show there is evidence that most of the gods are real. Whether or not they are aspects of the same god (or gods), or separate entities remains to be seen.

Alot has to do with the timing too, I think. Pre-Dragons most of this stuff was probably not gonna go work, or not give the expected results. Post Dragon birth, things started working ALOT better.

Well, one of the background things going on, besides the previous and current wars, is that this world has been going through a religion shift. The LoL is basically the one god--Abrahamic, Judeo-Christian god who's underground acolytes are growing and spreading beneath the established pagan model. Ignoring the many-faced god who is also a one-god, but its followers seem content to remain hidden as that power seems to have a steep cost of entry.

We've seen plenty of bloviating about the multi gods, but no real power on display from them. Only the LoL has actively generated miracles (Evil and good) and seems to be the true power base.

I'm talking about the series, though. Book information should be considered irrelevant.

worst thing this season by far is seeing bran last episode. the best part about last season was that he wasn't in it at all. his story is so terrible. i'd rather see the crap going on at dorne.

I like the more recent episodes (going back to final episodes of season 4) than all moments in the earlier seasons. The early problem was that they spent 3 seasons hanging out in the woods, doing nothing. There's finally some important content coming along, but I suspect it will plod again.
 

thejunglegod

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I expected someone else to kill Roose. That bastard deserved a more painful and agonizing death for what he did in the red wedding. Well, to be stabbed to death by your own son is, in a way, agonizing I guess.
Now, someone please just kill Walder Frey.
 

CZroe

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Well, one of the background things going on, besides the previous and current wars, is that this world has been going through a religion shift. The LoL is basically the one god--Abrahamic, Judeo-Christian god who's underground acolytes are growing and spreading beneath the established pagan model. Ignoring the many-faced god who is also a one-god, but its followers seem content to remain hidden as that power seems to have a steep cost of entry.



We've seen plenty of bloviating about the multi gods, but no real power on display from them. Only the LoL has actively generated miracles (Evil and good) and seems to be the true power base.
Aren't "The Old Gods" demonstrating power with Bran through the Gosdwood? Is The Drowned God one of the old/new gods?
 

Homerboy

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*sigh*

I dunno -- something is "different" this season. I didn't care all that much for EP2 either. It was better than EP1, but still pretty weak and I have issues with a bunch of it.

The Greyjoy scene was ridiculous. Where are when did we even see them last? And now this is supposed to be some big "upheaval" or something?

Tommen and Ceseri was interesting -- he's basically asking his mom "Teach me how to be mean and cruel" (couldn't ask for a better mentor). The Mountain was fantastic in all his scenes.

Arya -- ugh. And I used to like her storyline.

Bran -- loved it. Loved the flashback scene (Hordor!) and I can't wait until Bran and his powers get back into the mix.

Tyrion -- solid.

Sansa and Theon -- Interesting. Theon is headed home?

Jon and the NW -- Meh. No shit he was coming back. It wasn't so much a "shocker". I don't understand why he didn't turn into a walker like everyone else had done MUCH more quickly after death. I loved the giant smashing that dude.
 

CZroe

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Jon and the NW -- Meh. No shit he was coming back. It wasn't so much a "shocker". I don't understand why he didn't turn into a walker like everyone else had done MUCH more quickly after death. I loved the giant smashing that dude.
No one else turned without the influence of a wight. This isn't The Walking Dead.
 

wetech

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My other guess is that Ramsey's 'gift' will be (Possible book spoiler as I call out a character that only mattered in the books. I do not really know the story that happened in the books, only the basic gist of it. Either way, I'm not trying to spoil anything so tags on the name and why I think it'll happen.. again, haven't read the book so there's no story spoilers in it. I"m not even sure i"ve spelt the name right.)
the Jenye Poole girl I've heard about. I barely understand the story as i haven't read the books, but as I feel they're padding for time I think some of those stories that aren't in the show might trickle in.
I'll remove this is it's too far over the line of show vs book spoiler stuff..

No need for the spoiler tags. They already played out that story; replacing her with Sansa. I'll tag this, because people get butthurt for finding out anything about the books:
in the books, they (Boltons/Lanisters) couldn't find any of the Stark girls to marry off to Ramsey, so they used a fake "Arya".
They changed that in the show, probably for time / simplicity's sake.
 

CZroe

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Hmmm You're right. My mistake.

They do take precautions by burning the bodies but they forgot what that was all about and kept doing it anyway... just like they forgot that the wall was not built for keeping Wildlings out but they kept defending it and got sidetracked. My guess is that past generations burned the bodies so that they could not be reanimated and used against them when in battle against the wights and white walkers, not because they were in danger of reanimating at any moment.
 

wetech

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*sigh*

The Greyjoy scene was ridiculous. Where are when did we even see them last? And now this is supposed to be some big "upheaval" or something?

They skipped all of the Iron Isles plot in season 5, so they have catching up to do.
 

GagHalfrunt

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I expected someone else to kill Roose. That bastard deserved a more painful and agonizing death for what he did in the red wedding. Well, to be stabbed to death by your own son is, in a way, agonizing I guess.
Now, someone please just kill Walder Frey.

He got a fitting death. Betrayed and stabbed by somebody he thought he could trust, that's what he deserved. But yeah, some agony would have been nice. It's too bad Ramsay didn't have the time to flay him, THAT would have been perfect.
 

zinfamous

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Aren't "The Old Gods" demonstrating power with Bran through the Gosdwood? Is The Drowned God one of the old/new gods?

oh yeah, maybe. I have no idea what is going on there, as it has been skipped for just over a season, and all they've really shown of that is some tree nymphs and some creepy old dude hanging out in the dirt.
 

zinfamous

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No one else turned without the influence of a wight. This isn't The Walking Dead.

that one guy a few seasons ago, the corpse in Castle Black. Wasn't he killed there and when alone with Jon or Fatso, whoever it was, suddenly came back to life?
 

Xylitol

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I know that we all knew that Jon Snow was definitely going to be coming back, but regardless, I'm so glad that it definitely happened. I always had a favorite character who I would root for, and every single time, he/she would die. I began rooting for Danaerys as a close second to Jon Snow, and she became my #1 after he died. Thank God I can finally start rooting for Jon Snow again though. Ma man!
 

GagHalfrunt

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Pretty sure this is true.

I'm pretty sure it's not. The corpses were dead when brought in and then re-animated. AFAIK in the GOT mythology only a White Walker can turn a corpse into a wight. Being killed by a wight does not turn a human into a wight like would happen with a Walking Dead zombie.

What the show doesn't make clear is how/when a White Walker can turn a corpse. In the Battle of Hardhome the Nights King did it instantly while the ones at Castle Black had been dead for a while without turning and only turned after being brought inside. They never explained how those wights re-animated after so much time of being dormant. Were they time-delayed booby-trapped in some way or was there a White Walker lurking outside who activated them after they were brought in?
 

CZroe

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No one else turned without the influence of a wight[White Walker]. This isn't The Walking Dead.
that one guy a few seasons ago, the corpse in Castle Black. Wasn't he killed there and when alone with Jon or Fatso, whoever it was, suddenly came back to life?
Pretty sure this is true.
Nope. The White Walkers expected the Night's Watch to take the body back and they used that against them in an attempt to kill Jeor Mormont. It was calculated and definitely not spontaneous. The thing even remembered where Mormont slept. They had already influenced the corpse just like the ones laying in wait under the ice for Bran.

They seem to take instruction and this one was instructed to lay dormant until nightfall and then move against Mormont.
 
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JEDI

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He got a fitting death. Betrayed and stabbed by somebody he thought he could trust, that's what he deserved. But yeah, some agony would have been nice. It's too bad Ramsay didn't have the time to flay him, THAT would have been perfect.

he still could be flayed after he died
 

Exophase

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Yeah. I realized in the post right before yours that it was spelled "White Walker" and not "Wight Walker."

That is definitely one of the big sources of confusion on the show. Another case where something that's obviously distinct in text translates badly to speech.
 

Exophase

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What the show doesn't make clear is how/when a White Walker can turn a corpse. In the Battle of Hardhome the Nights King did it instantly while the ones at Castle Black had been dead for a while without turning and only turned after being brought inside. They never explained how those wights re-animated after so much time of being dormant. Were they time-delayed booby-trapped in some way or was there a White Walker lurking outside who activated them after they were brought in?

It's possible that that wight had already been raised and was just being corpsey until the appropriate time. I mean, it was clearly imbued with some specific task after it got up so this doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
 
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