HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

[TheAdvocate]

Being married to the king is not a legit claim? Honest question, as I do not know how that works in the GoT world.

Cannot discuss this. It hasn't been covered ad nauseum in the show such that proper source material can be effectively cited from original scripts only. The world of GoT doesn't exist.

If you really wanna know, message me, I will be happy to share what I know, and I promise I will in no way ruin any aspect of the show for you, because that would be a douche move. Some people cannot separate the two though. I think we have more delicate flowers on here than there are on the show.

 

[TheAdvocate]

How would I know about their past history and great deeds? None of that has been shown and it's only vaguely hinted at. Margery's dad is like a sack of sentient potatoes.

How about the part where they sacked Kings Landing and it took a hail mary from Tyrion to save the city from being conquered? Or the frequent mentions in the show about how the Reach was feeding all of Kings Landing (Olenna threatened to pull the food supply)? Or how the Tyrells were richer than the Lannisters? Or how the Arbor makes the best wines? I could go on. All of this has been discussed.

This is like that stupid gripe about the Umbers loyalty. People didn't bother remembering that it was discussed in the show when they shipped Rickon off. Or that Greatjon Umber was the first to declare Robb King in the North.

 

[Jeeebus]

The no book spoiler rule isn't rocket science. If your post is starting off 'well, in the books...' you shouldn't be posting it.

If you're compelled to talk about some character that has never been discussed on the show, that's a spoiler.

I don't really give a shit one way or the other, but it boggles my mind that some of you seem to get off on regurgitating your nerdy book knowledge in this thread.

 

[zinfamous]

How about the part where they sacked Kings Landing and it took a hail mary from Tyrion to save the city from being conquered?

This is like that stupid gripe about the Umbers loyalty. People didn't bother remembering that it was discussed in the show when they shipped Rickon off. Or that Greatjon Umber was the first to declare Robb King in the North.

That was Stannis' army. Were the Tyrells marching with him? I don't recall that.

I have no problem with forgetting past stuff in the show, and certainly not confusing forgotten past events in the show. I think it should be open season to bitch at those complaining about spoilers when it's simply something in the show that they forgot.

 

[TheAdvocate]

That was Stannis' army. Were the Tyrells marching with him? I don't recall that.

That was Renly's Tyrell army that Stannis co-opted after he pardoned them if they swore fealty after he killed Renly.


The idea that people want to pretend like the world doesn't exist such that you cannot even have a discussion about successor practices in the world is really ridiculous. how can you understand the world's customs and history if you aren't allowed to discuss it? That is a far different animal than saying: HAHAHA TYRION TOTALLY DIES THIS EPISODE CAUSE ARYA STRAIGHT CHOKES HIM WITH VARYS' DECAPITATED DONG!

Totally happens by the way. Book 8. I just ruined the show for you. You're welcome.

 

[TheAdvocate]

your nerdy book knowledge

That's what this is really about. It's called being a fan. BTW, fan is short for fanatic. I don't think that has been covered in the show.

Sam Tarly would be fucking hated on this thread. Kind of ironic.

 

[Jeeebus]

That's what this is really about. It's called being a fan. BTW, fan is short for fanatic. I don't think that has been covered in the show.

Sam Tarly would be fucking hated on this thread. Kind of ironic.

Feel free to continue your passive-aggressive tantrum in the moderator discussion session.
Spoiler alert: nobody here cares.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Being married to the king is not a legit claim? Honest question, as I do not know how that works in the GoT world.

No. The SHOW is clear on how succession works. The titles pass to oldest male heir and then to his oldest heir. It then passes to brothers if the chain gets broken.

Robert is king, Cersei is just his wife.
Joffrey next in line and any male children of Joffrey would be above his younger brothers.
Then Thommen since J died without kids

However, if J/T were bastards that breaks the chain of Roberts children and it passes to his brothers

Stannis would be king and his wife would be just his wife. Then Stannis's sons would be next in line before Renly. As Stannis has no sons it would pass to Renly and his sons. Since Stannis and Renly are dead Thommen is the only person alive in the Baratheon line even if he isn't really a Baratheon. If he dies without an heir the Baratheon line dies with him. His wife is just his wife, she is only queen as long as he is king. It's like being first lady, you don't become president and stay in the white house if the president croaks. The widow of a dead king is referred to as a dowager queen, she's out on her ass. Unless....

If the king/queen have an underage heir who is next in line to the throne, as Thommens son would be if he had one, and the king dies, the kid inherits the throne immediately. Since the kid is too young to rule on his own an appointed guardian would serve as regent. In GOT Robert appointed Ned as Joffrey's Regent because he didn't trust Cersei. If the King died without appointing a guardian, the surviving parent would presumably be Regent.

So Margaery is only queen as long as Thommen is king. If Thommen dies without a kid, Margaery is a dowager queen and is gone. She has no claim to the throne through Thommen. If she has a son with Thommen and Thommen croaks she can serve as Queen Regent until the kid comes of age. Then she's out and is only a dowager queen. She can never be the real Queen in her own right.

 

[MongGrel]

Rules/laws change though over time, who knows.

Like I stated earlier, Kings Landing has kind of a Henry VIII vibe going, he changed a lot of rules to work in his favor.

And I suspect Margaery is all ready pregnant myself.

 

[MongGrel]

Cannot discuss this. It hasn't been covered ad nauseum in the show such that proper source material can be effectively cited from original scripts only. The world of GoT doesn't exist.

If you really wanna know, message me, I will be happy to share what I know, and I promise I will in no way ruin any aspect of the show for you, because that would be a douche move. Some people cannot separate the two though. I think we have more delicate flowers on here than there are on the show.

Back off and relax a bit, I caught a lot of flak a couple years ago I thought I shouldn't have then over GOT.

You've been here longer, you should know things are touchy along these lines.

Just even mentioning a name not in the show can get you romped on.

There is no reason really for anyone to get all cut throat about things these days.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Spoiler alert: nobody here cares.

You seem to care a lot.

By the way, that Brienne chick, and everyone else around her, constantly refers to herself as Brienne of Tarth.

Where in the heck is Tarth??

#whereistarth #dontdiscussit

 

[MongGrel]

Emerald Isles of course, it's pretty easy to look up on a map outside of the show.

Was a major plot point several seasons back in the show, when Jamie had his hand chopped.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Emerald Isles of course, it's pretty easy to look up on a map outside of the show.

Was a major plot point several seasons back in the show, when Jamie had his hand chopped.

Its location is never shown in the show, nor does Brienne ever say where it is. She just tells Renly she is from there. You have just violated the forum rules and thereby spoiled the show for everyone. Congrats.

#whereistarth #spoiler!1!!

 

[MongGrel]

I've actually been trying to support you a bit, but screw off now.

You're just on a silly rampage of non sense atm.

 

[TheAdvocate]

You haven't tried supporting me at all. I tried to diffuse the Benjen thing by saying it didn't matter and focusing on the what could happen next, and you sent me a preachy PM. I remember you well. You were the guy who did try to spoil a bunch of plot points, making it damn near impossible for guys like me to discuss the show.

The where is Tarth thing is a lesson in absurdity. Pointing out where it us on a map doesn't spoil the show, but it does apparently violate the rules. Brienne has three major background scenes in this show. 1) When she wins Renly's tournament and asks for a spot in his kings guard as reward. 2) the bath scene with Jaime, and 3) the discussion she has about being the ugliest girl at the ball with Podrick. To the best of my knowledge, she never says where Tarth is in any of them. Yet if someone asked on here, no one could answer. It hasn't been covered on the show

The other part of that example is that I remember the show in that level of detail because 1) I pay attention and 2) I am a fan (I frequently watch the episodes twice). Yet discussing the show in that level of detail also gets you a disapproving response on here, which shows the hypocrisy of everyone doing it. "Nerdy knowledge". Turns out this is just another internet e-peen duel. The sad part is that in addition to just wanting to have fun discussing a show I like, I enjoy bringing more people into the fold of fandom. Yet people throwing out spoilers like you and bitter knobs like jheebus ruin it.

 

[MongGrel]

You haven't tried supporting me at all. I tried to diffuse the Benjen thing by saying it didn't matter and focusing on the what could happen next, and you sent me a preachy PM. I remember you well. You were the guy who did try to spoil a bunch of plot points, making it damn near impossible for guys like me to discuss the show.

The where is Tarth thing is a lesson in absurdity. Pointing out where it us on a map doesn't spoil the show, but it does apparently violate the rules. Brienne has three major background scenes in this show. 1) When she wins Renly tournament and asks for a spot in his kings as reward. 2) the bath scene with Jaime, and 3) the discussion she has about being the ugliest girl with Podrick. To the best of my knowledge, she never says where Tarth is in any of them. Yet if someone asked on here, no one could answer. It hasn't been covered on the show

The other part if that is that I remember the show in that level of detail because 1) I pay attention and 2) I am a fan (I frequently watch the episodes twice). Yet discussing the show in that level if detail also gets you a disapproving response on here, which shows the hypocrisy of everyone doing it. "Nerdy knowledge". Turns out this is just another internet e-peen duel. The sad part is that in addition to just wanting to have fun discussing a show I like, I enjoy bringing more people into the fold of fandom. Yet people throwing out spoilers like you and bitter knobs like jheebus ruin it.

Wow.

I see, you were one of those people when I did not spoil a thing, now I really do not like you

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Emerald Isles of course, it's pretty easy to look up on a map outside of the show.

Was a major plot point several seasons back in the show, when Jamie had his hand chopped.

Sapphire Isle. Our Noodly Master is not pleased with your lack of attention to detail. Or maybe the colors on your TV are way off. Ramen.

 

[Anubis]

Being married to the king is not a legit claim? Honest question, as I do not know how that works in the GoT world.

pay attention then. cause it was clear from season 1 that being married to the king didn't mean shit - see cerci and her desire for power when none is to be had

women exist for 1 thing and 1 thing only in GOT- that is to produce a male child - just like in our own feudal past

 

[MongGrel]

Sapphire Isle. Our Noodly Master is not pleased with your lack of attention to detail. Or maybe the colors on your TV are way off. Ramen.

I derped.

Thanks for the correction.

Ramen.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

No. The SHOW is clear on how succession works. The titles pass to oldest male heir and then to his oldest heir. It then passes to brothers if the chain gets broken.

Robert is king, Cersei is just his wife.
Joffrey next in line and any male children of Joffrey would be above his younger brothers.
Then Thommen since J died without kids

However, if J/T were bastards that breaks the chain of Roberts children and it passes to his brothers

Stannis would be king and his wife would be just his wife. Then Stannis's sons would be next in line before Renly. As Stannis has no sons it would pass to Renly and his sons. Since Stannis and Renly are dead Thommen is the only person alive in the Baratheon line even if he isn't really a Baratheon. If he dies without an heir the Baratheon line dies with him. His wife is just his wife, she is only queen as long as he is king. It's like being first lady, you don't become president and stay in the white house if the president croaks. The widow of a dead king is referred to as a dowager queen, she's out on her ass. Unless....

If the king/queen have an underage heir who is next in line to the throne, as Thommens son would be if he had one, and the king dies, the kid inherits the throne immediately. Since the kid is too young to rule on his own an appointed guardian would serve as regent. In GOT Robert appointed Ned as Joffrey's Regent because he didn't trust Cersei. If the King died without appointing a guardian, the surviving parent would presumably be Regent.

So Margaery is only queen as long as Thommen is king. If Thommen dies without a kid, Margaery is a dowager queen and is gone. She has no claim to the throne through Thommen. If she has a son with Thommen and Thommen croaks she can serve as Queen Regent until the kid comes of age. Then she's out and is only a dowager queen. She can never be the real Queen in her own right.

Thanks for taking the time to provide a detailed explanation. Maybe she is not looking to bump the boy off after all. Just get rid of the other people bending his ear so she can settle in. Or she is indeed preggers.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Thanks for taking the time to provide a detailed explanation. Maybe she is not looking to bump the boy off after all. Just get rid of the other people bending his ear so she can settle in. Or she is indeed preggers.

I think it's both. She doesn't trust Cersei and wants her gone. And that was before Cersei got her locked up, now she probably wants Cersei dead. Without Cersei she has complete control of Thommen. But let's face it, being King is not all that secure a job just now. Aerys II killed by Jaime, Robert killed by Cersei, Joffrey killed by several people and Thommen without an heir could be seen as a way for an ambitious, scheming douche to get rid of the Baratheon line and install a new King (Baelish, I'm looking at you). Margaery needs a male heir and preferably as many of them as she can pump out ASAP. That protects both her position and Thommens life.

 

[zinfamous]

You seem to care a lot.

By the way, that Brienne chick, and everyone else around her, constantly refers to herself as Brienne of Tarth.

Where in the heck is Tarth??

#whereistarth #dontdiscussit

basically...no one cares. The last thing this kinda-stupid show needs is yet another city and yet another line with yet another handful of undeveloped characters to sap another 3-4 minutes of stagnant content from each episode.

By the way, I don't think you've been spoiling anything at all...not the way I see it, anyway. I guess I'm just a bit "lawful good" on this particular rule in this particular thread, where the details were pretty clearly set out at one point in time. At this point, book information can't really spoil much of what is going to happen....though I do imagine that certain things may be brought up soon enough and introduced in the show that had long been in the books. I don't know that, obviously, but the possibility is there.

This is much different than 2 or 3 seasons ago when things got nuts here.

Yeah--Mongrel was really awful about it and it still vexes me how he still doesn't understand how incredibly spoilery he was being at the time. I just don't get the uncontrollable desire some people seem to have to keep pumping out information which pretty clearly violates those rules. Well, I kinda do--I used to do that sort of thing when I was much younger and quite intentionally. I don't think it ruined anyone's lives nor did spoiling this show in these threads, ....but it's a good rule for people that actually do find joy in these shows. There's really no reason to ruin that for them.

 

[Artorias]

When one hundred thousand Dothraki and 3 dragons appear succession gets thrown out the window.

I remember some quote by Robert I think in the earlier seasons about how succession was bullshit and it was all about who grabs the throne by force.

Basically succession doesn't mean shit when it comes to the Iron Throne.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

When one hundred thousand Dothraki and 3 dragons appear succession gets thrown out the window.

I remember some quote by Robert I think in the earlier seasons about how succession was bullshit and it was all about who grabs the throne by force.

Basically succession doesn't mean shit when it comes to the Iron Throne.

I am enjoying the show still; the intrigue and power struggles going on. But you are right of course. The bigger story arc is going to overshadow all that at some point. Then who is king or queen of the 7 kingdoms at the moment will be small potatoes.

On a personal note, I think season 4 is my favorite season, how about everyone else?

 

[Merad]

The problem there is that Sam isn't going to the Wall. He's heading south away from the Wall to the Citadel where he's intending to train as the new maester.

Yes, however, we know (well, we can logically assume) that forging a maester's chain takes years. Events in the show are accelerating, and Sam doesn't have that kind of time. I'm sure there's some reason for him to be in Oldtown, and I have a feeling that it's going to be a pretty quick in and out kind of deal.

My bet - Sam will be heading north again by the end of this season. He'll be back by Ep 1 or 2 or next season, as the plot starts to shift more towards dealing with the white walker threat.