I know what happens in the books, but I thought it was pretty clear in the show that the Hound died?
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Who knows maybe the White Walker's will turn out to the good guys when they erase the horde.
also im pretty sure there was a scene when sam was talking about Dragon glass and that it might be the same as dragon steel, was after he killed the walker and was reading all those old books
Nope, not clear at all. Most characters are seen as dead, GRRM has no trouble showing up decapitations, heads on spikes and burned children. When a character is not seen dying or as a corpse it's reasonable to assume they're alive. Sandor is probably alive and will be showing up to fight the Mountain in the trial by combat.
I've always still pondered if Syrio Forel actually really died myself, as we did not see it onscreen.
I imagine he's toast, but always wondered if he might have been a Faceless Man also back then, and Arya did just get Needle out again.
That's a theory/hope that has been floating around since it aired. It's possible, but seems unlikely as he just wasn't a big enough character to warrant such an elaborate rouse. Besides I thought Ned had known him for quite some time that's why he chose him to train Arya?
also im pretty sure there was a scene when sam was talking about Dragon glass and that it might be the same as dragon steel, was after he killed the walker and was reading all those old books
They hinted again in the epi where Hound is giving her crap about her fighting style. He told her that Syrio was no bad ass if Sir pedobear killed him.I've always still pondered if Syrio Forel actually really died myself, as we did not see it onscreen.
I imagine he's toast, but always wondered if he might have been a Faceless Man also back then, and Arya did just get Needle out again.
They hinted again in the epi where Hound is giving her crap about her fighting style. He told her that Syrio was no bad ass if Sir pedobear killed him.
i thought that episode sucked, something about it seemed off to me.
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but why are they going to end the series so quickly especially when they still have over 3M viewers in the key demo. That doesn't make any sense.
It's better to end the series on a high note than cancel it out of necessity.
Besides, there's still room for a full-length movie and multiple spinoff shows.
I continue to think that Syrio is alive. Trant was known as a complete nobody, any reasonably competent swordsman could have beaten him.
But the biggest clue is that he had a wooden sword and Trant had steel. When Arya was running away there was a yell of pain and the sound of a steel sword hitting the floor. Syrio definitely disarmed Trant, so unless he managed to disarm Trant and still lose then Syrio is alive and Trant only pretended to kill him to avoid facing Cersei's wrath.
https://youtu.be/88uqVNpmGrI?t=2m18s
It's better to end the series on a high note than cancel it out of necessity.
Besides, there's still room for a full-length movie and multiple spinoff shows.
I really don't see any reason why the show needs Syrio to be alive. For one, he was a minor character. Two, he wasn't really that interesting. Three, if Arya comes back, it would be much more interesting if she meets up with the Hound/Baric Dondarrion.
Nope, not clear at all. Most characters are seen as dead, GRRM has no trouble showing up decapitations, heads on spikes and burned children. When a character is not seen dying or as a corpse it's reasonable to assume they're alive. Sandor is probably alive and will be showing up to fight the Mountain in the trial by combat.
I agree with you, but they seem to not show various characters dying. They didn't show Stanis dying last season, they cut away as Brienne was swinging. But she claims this season that she killed him. So who knows.
100% correct. There'd just be no reason from a story line point to bringing him back except for the "gotcha" factor. Which would be awfully lame.
Not 1/10th as lame as bringing back BenJen who was even less important than Syrio.
I never said that they should bring Syrio back, just that he's not dead. I think GRRM left the door open on Syrio in case he did want to bring him back later and then never found the right time or place. Still, it would be interesting if somewhere in Arya's storyline she caught a glimpse of him teaching sword fighting on Braavos. Like Arya kills the Waif, is running for a ship to get away from the other Faceless Men and just before she jumps onto a ship there's Sryio in the background.
I hope grrm's upcoming book answers:
how long ago did the Children create the White Walkers?
what stopped the White Walkers a 1000 years ago?
Why couldn't the Children of the Forrest reproduce?
How did the Children come into being?
how would you have done it if the ending required a white walker on the side of the humans?
I've never even considered that as a possibility. Even with all the stupid shit the show is doing now, that would be exceptionally silly. Why would the humans need a white walker?
Not 1/10th as lame as bringing back BenJen who was even less important than Syrio.
That's just plain stupid. A half-alive, half-dead man thing north of the wall with unusual skills, is infinitely more interesting by almost any measure than some fancy swordsman teaching Arya how to swing a stick around.like the character Coldhands in the books
But haven't they made other similar compromises in tv version? I can't think of one but wouldn't they have to merge some characters just because you don't have the time to give everyone a backstory.No, what's plain stupid is equating BenJen with a book character that isn't in the series.