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Exophase

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Spoiler-ish. Summation of various bits of info possibly evidencing that it was Jacquen as Arya.

http://imgur.com/a/xvoXs

And another big question mark, why go through the trouble of changing her hair? Where did she even get the change of clothes? Why actually bother? If that's supposed to be disguise that's pretty terrible.
 

Exophase

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That's pretty insightful and very clever of writers if this end up being true. But why would the faceless man protect Arya?

That reason given in the images, that it's because of Arya giving him his name all those years ago seems extremely weak. It was implied that he did what was necessary to be released from that, that was the whole reason he gave into her demands instead of just immediately killing himself - he didn't want to die. And as far as I remember, he asked Arya to take the name back as soon as she said it.

If this was somehow still hanging over him I'm sure he would have again asked Arya explicitly to release him from that obligation after freeing her, which she definitely would have done. And if it were such a big deal he wouldn't have waited a few years to finally get around to doing it.

But the rest (except for the part about the old woman face that was clearly a different person) is really insightful. It's looking more and more like the writers put a lot of deliberate hints in which is a good sign.

Jaqen protected Arya when she did something that at least seems worse to an outside observer - killing a person who was tied to her past and grudges instead of her hit. This time she just showed sympathy for someone she isn't connected to. She failed her job as an assassin, but she didn't as much fail her job as "no one." Granted, one was a second chance and the other was the third she was told she would not receive. So I don't really know. Maybe there's some kind of greater role that she's supposed to play that is separate from the House of Black & White, that Jaqen somehow knows about. Maybe in accordance with some other side of the Many-faced God's will. Maybe her assignment was the test all along and sparing the hit was her passing.
 
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Rakehellion

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Okay, so.. what happened with the Jaqen-alike who appeared to be poisoned to death to satisfy the face? A Faceless Man really died? Or maybe they can appear to die and come back?

They died, but we have no idea who that was. Just another servant of the Many-Faced God.
 

z1ggy

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My main thing is how does he get her face? I was kind of under the impression they only come from dead ppl inside the temple.
 

Exophase

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They died, but we have no idea who that was. Just another servant of the Many-Faced God.

That appears to be what happened. But why sacrifice another Faceless Man to save Arya? Why not sacrifice her?

Whatever the answer, it could apply to whatever happened now.
 

z1ggy

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Clever. I suspect this is in the book then bc it's much to thought out and interesting to be a plot of the writers.
 

JEDI

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haven't seen the image.

what if arya killed the waif between ep6 and 7?
that could be the reason why she's walking around w/o a care in the world in ep7?
 

MongGrel

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Spoiler-ish. Summation of various bits of info possibly evidencing that it was Jacquen as Arya.

http://imgur.com/a/xvoXs

Those are great points, I have never even thought of Jacquen as being a single person myself.Always seemed to me might be a faceless man default mode type of disguise, we did see him at one point just run his hand down his face when he left Arya after the escape and changed his appearance on the spot.

Are the faces/disguises something they acquire over time to use once they have put them on once, like storing an appearance on a HDD/brain ?

I would think the advanced assassin types might have several faces at their disposal just to change even walking from one room to another if needed.

As far as protecting Arya, they seem to have seen potential in her to begin with and she is young, she could be a huge game changer in the future for their cause.Especially as they know she is a Stark and might be hedging on that from things along those lines maybe. They might be a little more politically motivated than they let on really.

There are some other shots I suspect are probably at least one faceless man involving Danny I haven't bothered trying to look up, I imagine these guys are distributed all over the Kingdoms.

Well, they are of course, how Arya ran into Jacquen in the first place.
 
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JEDI

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this would really suck if arya's been dead for a while and this all had been a red herring from grrm.

and does not connect to any of the other story lines
 

Squisher

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My main thing is how does he get her face? I was kind of under the impression they only come from dead ppl inside the temple.

It's been discussed here. There are many faces in the Hall of Faces of people still alive. Jon Snow, Melisandre, Tyrion, Cersei, and a half dozen or so more.

How this is done is ?????
 

Phoenix86

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That's really doesn't seem like a smart plan. How could Arya possibly predict exactly where she'd get stabbed? How could she expect a blood packet to actually protect her from a knife anyway, and yet still be something The Waif wouldn't pick up on?

Maybe there's a better explanation for how this could work, it just sounds really sloppy.

Well the second most likely answer is Arya was Jaqen, which also seems very possible but still doesn't really answer your main points. I actually think this is likely what happened, but that means he was risking his life on the "don't make her suffer" point assuming the Waif would and he could survive it.

There was probably only one deception in that scene, not 2-3 as other have suggested.
 

Exophase

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It's been discussed here. There are many faces in the Hall of Faces of people still alive. Jon Snow, Melisandre, Tyrion, Cersei, and a half dozen or so more.

How this is done is ?????

That teaser video was meant to be metaphorical, not depicting show canon.
 

Dr. Zaus

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Yes, she would. The Faceless Men as trained to spot lies, they spent a shitload of time on that. They're trained to study their prey. They're trained to pick their spots. And you honestly believe that the Waif could know Arya was marked for death and would be out there like that acting in a manner which is like a giant flashing "kill me!!" neon sign on her back without thinking "Hmmmm, this seems too easy"? Really?

Holy crap, of all the idiotic theories about what went down, the idea that the real Waif managed to sneak up on the real Arya who was really acting that was is by far the most idiotic.

t'Waif took her mask off: it showed that she'd lost her objectivity and made this about vengeance. It was clearly not Arya being Arya; but I agree fake Arya being a 'test' for waif makes no sense.

What does make sense is a man pretending to be Arya to save a girl's life and let her get away from the death-mark.
 

Icepick

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The next episode is titled, "No one." I believe that Arya was somehow being tested and will be shown to pass the test in the next episode and truly become "no one." Perhaps the trauma she underwent being stabbed repeatedly was enough to push her over the edge mentally and finally lose her connection to her "Arya" self. Then perhaps she will be assigned a mission to assassinate a major character in Westeros. Jon Snow, maybe?

I can see Little Finger hiring the Faceless Men to assassinate a potential rival in the north. If he can get Jon out of the way then he'll have a chance to get to Sansa and attempt to manipulate her again.
 
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zinfamous

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Those are great points, I have never even thought of Jacquen as being a single person myself.Always seemed to me might be a faceless man default mode type of disguise, we did see him at one point just run his hand down his face when he left Arya after the escape and changed his appearance on the spot.

Are the faces/disguises something they acquire over time to use once they have put them on once, like storing an appearance on a HDD/brain ?

I would think the advanced assassin types might have several faces at their disposal just to change even walking from one room to another if needed.

As far as protecting Arya, they seem to have seen potential in her to begin with and she is young, she could be a huge game changer in the future for their cause.Especially as they know she is a Stark and might be hedging on that from things along those lines maybe. They might be a little more politically motivated than they let on really.

There are some other shots I suspect are probably at least one faceless man involving Danny I haven't bothered trying to look up, I imagine these guys are distributed all over the Kingdoms.

Well, they are of course, how Arya ran into Jacquen in the first place.

I have no idea. I honestly put the moment of Jaqen dying/reappearing as the moment that the Faceless Men plot jumped the shark. I really don't care what happens there anymore and care even less about clarification into how things work with them.

I'd rather Arya just be done and away from there so that I can actually care about her story again. Hell, they could reveal that the fake Arya last week was a resurrected Joffrey and fake waif the partially animated head of Ned Stark for some reason and I wouldn't give two shits.
 

Homerboy

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The next episode is titled, "No one." I believe that Arya was somehow being tested and will be shown to pass the test in the next episode and truly become "no one." Perhaps the trauma she underwent being stabbed repeatedly was enough to push her over the edge mentally and finally lose her connection to her "Arya" self. Then perhaps she will be assigned a mission to assassinate a major character in Westeros. Jon Snow, maybe?

I can see Little Finger hiring the Faceless Men to assassinate a potential rival in the north. If he can get Jon out of the way then he'll have a chance to get to Sansa and attempt to manipulate her again.

No -- Arya is still going to be "Arya". They've made it abundantly clear that she has remained Arya Stark, and will remain Arya Stark all along.

I never wanted her to lose who she was. If she would be come "No One" it would suck. The Starks are still the cornerstone of the whole show (along with the Lannisters) and as such, their story/family has to be as complete as possible.
 

Homerboy

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I have no idea. I honestly put the moment of Jaqen dying/reappearing as the moment that the Faceless Men plot jumped the shark. I really don't care what happens there anymore and care even less about clarification into how things work with them.

I'd rather Arya just be done and away from there so that I can actually care about her story again. Hell, they could reveal that the fake Arya last week was a resurrected Joffrey and fake waif the partially animated head of Ned Stark for some reason and I wouldn't give two shits.

This. All of this.

The "Faceless Men" and the whole assassin storyline sucks and totally fell apart. I can not wait for it to be over and for Arya to get back to Westeros and be a Stark again.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Holy crap, of all the idiotic theories about what went down, the idea that the real Waif managed to sneak up on the real Arya who was really acting that was is by far the most idiotic.
Thanks? No really why are you such a surly dick about GoT? Relax, you will live longer.

While you think it is idiotic, I still contend it is evidence of becoming an expert of the craft. There have been many books, movies, and shows where one character has their ass handed to them by a personal bully and/or rival, often over and over, until they finally surpass them at whatever it is they compete at. If you always found that idiotic, ok.
 

Rhezuss

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Arya was Jaqen cause Arya never took back his name. He wanted to go ahead with his obligations...

I freaking can't wait for sunday's episode.
 

poofyhairguy

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I just read a fun new theory that Jaqen gave the young actress who wanted the older actress killed Arya's face to hide from the older actress until she could skip town as some sort of refund for not carrying out the killing. The Waif then stabbed the young actress in the guts (as really she was the one the many faced gods wanted to kill all along for her evil intentions) and Arya is still hiding in a shadow with needle somewhere.

That would explain why Arya had money, and why she was flaunting around town (she thought she was hidden from the people who would want to kill her), that is why she wasn't more cautious of the old woman.

I kinda hate the theory deep down because I assume it's better than what the plot will actually be.
 

zinfamous

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I just read a fun new theory that Jaqen gave the young actress who wanted the older actress killed Arya's face to hide from the older actress until she could skip town as some sort of refund for not carrying out the killing. The Waif then stabbed the young actress in the guts (as really she was the one the many faced gods wanted to kill all along for her evil intentions) and Arya is still hiding in a shadow with needle somewhere.

That would explain why Arya had money, and why she was flaunting around town (she thought she was hidden from the people who would want to kill her), that is why she wasn't more cautious of the old woman.

I kinda hate the theory deep down because I assume it's better than what the plot will actually be.

..that is kinda cool actually. But I wonder how they would develop such a thing with the ~5 minutes/per plot line reserved in each episode?

A MONTAGE? :awe: (hopefully with the Mentos theme--As the perfect-tittied actress bleeds out on the filthy street, perplexed and pleading, Jaqen just winks at her and shows her the Mentos stack in his hand. Ah!, nods the actress, smirking as she chokes to death on her own blood.)
 
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