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Newbian

Lifer
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Anyway, my biggest question is this... doesn't Gavin get absolutely nothing out of this? Obviously, they didn't issue the ruling in this episode, but even in the judge comes down on Richard, it shouldn't matter at all. At least from what I can surmise, Pied Piper was a completely different program when he was working at Hooli. The whole middle-out thing happened after the infamous Dick Stroking Discussion in episode 10 of season 1. So, if Gavin is given the IP rights, he gets the rights to the algorithm that Richard was working on at that point, which he (or rather his employees) already stole in season 1.

I would assume if they own the original algorithm the case could be without it the improved version would not had existed thus pied piper wouldn't be able to use it while gavin can use the version they showed at the contest and while it's not as good as the other it was the best at that time for compression.

Or because one led to the other it could be viewed that gavin owns both but in either way who really cares?

All I care about is we need confirmation on if the egg is dead or not!
 

Newbian

Lifer
Aug 24, 2008
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Bolded will never hold up in court. There is no way a company can own something you create using your own resources on your own time.

The problem is if the item in question is related to what you worked on for the company then technically the company could own it even if you did it on your own time according to a quick google search for cali law and I don't recall completely what he was working on when he worked for hooli.
 

pyonir

Lifer
Dec 18, 2001
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The whole Schrodinger's cat thing had me rolling...how they just kept applying it to everything. LMAO
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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Yeah I always wondered how that would hold up, but since I had to sign on it, it would probably have some weight. I think they just put that there to try to cover their bases. It would probably be a case by case basis as to if they'd even persue it.

If I start building stuff related to my job they could say I used work knowledge/training to do it. It's kinda like how if you work for Microsoft you're not allowed to go work for Google within a year of no longer working for Microsoft, as you could use knowledge from Microsoft at Google.

But I guess we're getting off topic, this is a fictional show here.

I don't think I've read of a case where a noncompete held up in court. If you left MS and hopped right on Google, there is little they could actually do. Now, they might take you to court and waste the fuck out of your time, but eventually, if you had the money to fight it, they'd lose. Which is the biggest problem outlined in this show: a company with near unlimited resources can stall and essentially bankrupt you simply by forcing you to show up to litigation.
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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With all their expertise why the hell did Richard have to take his laptop to a shop? They couldn't fix it on their own?
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Man, for a bunch of lawyers whose entire legal case rested on the "Baghead Defense", they were goddamn hawks once Ehrlich said that Richard's laptop crashed after running Nip Slip. Although, since everyone thinks we're being a little too analytical, let's look into this. An app like Nip Slip is most likely a phone app (doesn't make sense to run it on a desktop if you're trying to detect erect nipples... which seems strange to begin with ), which means Richard would've had to run it through the iOS Simulator or an Android VM (like Andy)... which most likely cannot crash your computer.

Anyway, my biggest question is this... doesn't Gavin get absolutely nothing out of this? Obviously, they didn't issue the ruling in this episode, but even in the judge comes down on Richard, it shouldn't matter at all. At least from what I can surmise, Pied Piper was a completely different program when he was working at Hooli. The whole middle-out thing happened after the infamous Dick Stroking Discussion in episode 10 of season 1. So, if Gavin is given the IP rights, he gets the rights to the algorithm that Richard was working on at that point, which he (or rather his employees) already stole in season 1.

Of course, I can't say that I'm an attorney... or an IP lawyer ... but that seems the most logical to me.

it's clear you've never used the android emulator. that thing is a pile of shit and i cannot understand why it is so slow and uses so many resources. as someone who's done quite a bit of mobile dev, it's 100% accurate that it could have crashed the computer.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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With all their expertise why the hell did Richard have to take his laptop to a shop? They couldn't fix it on their own?

hardware != software.

being a developer myself, it's annoying as shit how everyone thinks that just because you work with computers means you can fix any computer problem.

even software at the very low level can be very annoying and tough to trouble shoot. having "made" multiple hackintoshes, i've borked my laptop many times and thankfully i had a time machine backup. without that, the only other solution (other than having an expert hackintosh'er fix it) would be to reformat it, losing everything on the hdd.
 

tortillasoup

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hardware != software.

being a developer myself, it's annoying as shit how everyone thinks that just because you work with computers means you can fix any computer problem.

even software at the very low level can be very annoying and tough to trouble shoot. having "made" multiple hackintoshes, i've borked my laptop many times and thankfully i had a time machine backup. without that, the only other solution (other than having an expert hackintosh'er fix it) would be to reformat it, losing everything on the hdd.

Yeah but do you really think an apple store "genius" would really know much more than any of the employees at Pied Piper? Also the computer crashed due to a crappy bit of software run in an emulator, how difficult could it be to fix the computer? The people at the "Genius bar" aren't exactly going to be significantly more skilled at recovering a computer w/o formatting compared with someone like Gilfoyle or whatever.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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Yeah but do you really think an apple store "genius" would really know much more than any of the employees at Pied Piper? Also the computer crashed due to a crappy bit of software run in an emulator, how difficult could it be to fix the computer? The people at the "Genius bar" aren't exactly going to be significantly more skilled at recovering a computer w/o formatting compared with someone like Gilfoyle or whatever.

who knows. i can write apps for iOS and Android, but i can't fix a busted installation of OSX on my dell laptop in some instances, which was 100% busted due to software.

maybe the app running on an emulator had to load some kext files (basically dlls for osx) and the kext file got corrupt for some odd reason due to the shitty app, and when they rebooted it, the kext was corrupt leaving the installation of OSX in a botched state that could not be booted up.

there are definitely different areas of expertise and hundreds/thousands of reasons why a computer won't boot up.
 

Drekce

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Yeah but do you really think an apple store "genius" would really know much more than any of the employees at Pied Piper? Also the computer crashed due to a crappy bit of software run in an emulator, how difficult could it be to fix the computer? The people at the "Genius bar" aren't exactly going to be significantly more skilled at recovering a computer w/o formatting compared with someone like Gilfoyle or whatever.


I think it's more a matter of them wanting to use their time working on the product, not fixing a laptop. In a business it's usually much more efficient to outsource "IT Maintenance" rather than have the development staff do it on their own.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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The delete key does not annoy me, the apple store bothers me not a whit--but what I can not fathom is the staff's complaint about using a wired network in the house "what is this, the nineties?"

...shouldn't they be on a wired network like any kind of real real company that deals with heavy network traffic and security? Am I crazy, or were they arguing that this ancient LAN is slow and unstable compared to their glorious WiFi?
 

tortillasoup

Golden Member
Jan 12, 2011
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The delete key does not annoy me, the apple store bothers me not a whit--but what I can not fathom is the staff's complaint about using a wired network in the house "what is this, the nineties?"

...shouldn't they be on a wired network like any kind of real real company that deals with heavy network traffic and security? Am I crazy, or were they arguing that this ancient LAN is slow and unstable compared to their glorious WiFi?

they weren't complaining it was slow, just that they had a mess of wires.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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The delete key does not annoy me, the apple store bothers me not a whit--but what I can not fathom is the staff's complaint about using a wired network in the house "what is this, the nineties?"

...shouldn't they be on a wired network like any kind of real real company that deals with heavy network traffic and security? Am I crazy, or were they arguing that this ancient LAN is slow and unstable compared to their glorious WiFi?

Or you know, that a tech nerd had more than 1 laptop/computer to work on?
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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hardware != software.

being a developer myself, it's annoying as shit how everyone thinks that just because you work with computers means you can fix any computer problem.

even software at the very low level can be very annoying and tough to trouble shoot. having "made" multiple hackintoshes, i've borked my laptop many times and thankfully i had a time machine backup. without that, the only other solution (other than having an expert hackintosh'er fix it) would be to reformat it, losing everything on the hdd.


Gilfoyle seems to be pretty hardware savvy.
ever heard of backups? Although in the show they don't know what a backup is.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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Gilfoyle seems to be pretty hardware savvy.
ever heard of backups? Although in the show they don't know what a backup is.

it wasn't gilfoyle, it was richard. they all have other stuff to work on as well.

and backups of code won't instantly get your dev environment back up and running. i'd assume they are using some kind of VCS so it's not like he couldn't get the code back. but it might be getting a whole dev environment set up again, which in and of itself, can take a whole day.

what he should have done is do a time machine backup, then he could have restored easily with minimal loss.

oh yeah ... and it's a fictional show.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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Good finale. I don't know if a company can legally absorb board seats or call a meeting to kick out a CEO without all the board being, at least, notified though. Although, I am not a corporate lawyer.
 
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