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PottedMeat

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Apr 17, 2002
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I'm guessing the old drunk cop tailing motorcycle cop works for blowjob girl



"i always hated these fucking things. what kind of way is that to greet the world?"

hahah
 

pyonir

Lifer
Dec 18, 2001
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I have to admit, Vince was much better in this week's episode. Much better.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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"You've lived hundreds of lives, haven't you?"
"Well, I can't handle another one."


I'm not sure about Vaughn now. I think he's OK when he's swinging his dick as boss man; but delivering those monologues, he just doesn't seem to be the right guy for it.


Great ending scene, though I'm gonna miss grumpy detective. Only the principles surviving that fight? eh....
 
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Drako

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Jun 9, 2007
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Great ending scene, though I'm gonna miss grumpy detective. Only the principles surviving that fight? eh....

So predictable - all the redshirts die. :|

This show just annoys me now, but I'll watch the last 4 episodes just because.
 

SAWYER

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Apr 27, 2000
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I havent watched last night's episode yet but the show is hard to follow. It isn't near as good as the first season
 
Feb 10, 2000
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I havent watched last night's episode yet but the show is hard to follow. It isn't near as good as the first season

I am finding it hard to follow too, for a number of reasons. First, none of the characters, with the possible exception of Colin Farrell, feel relatable to me, so it's hard to stay engaged in what they're saying (this is exacerbated by some of the shitty writing and endless monologues). Second, we are being asked to keep a number of characters we almost never see straight. Third, the major events of the show very often seem to hinge on improbable coincidences, so it's hard to know when we really need to pay attention because something important is happening.

I thought the shootout last night was . . . interesting . . . but it felt incredibly overblown and improbable. We saw what would have been one of the most aggravated crimes ever committed in the state of California . . . why, exactly? These guys see the police coming and just unload on them with AK47s? Even if they were major criminals, that seemed like a stupid way to handle the situation, and it made no sense that they would be THAT well armed. They must have fired off something like 5,000+ rounds. Were they sitting on crates of loaded magazines or what?

So far I am really not happy with season 2 of TD.
 

kn51

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Aug 16, 2012
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Yeah, that was painful...yet was probably one of the better ones due to the fact it was fairly straightforward compared to their usual "throw crap on the wall and see what sticks."

The one liners VV delivers makes me cringe. Just absolute cheese.

Perhaps I'm dense, but Dix's work was able to track down a stolen watch from Caspere's place to a pawn shop. I hate to imagine how many pawn shops are around the LA metro area.

Everyone seemed to have the unlimited ammo code.

I'm assuming they were setup?

Groaned when they brought up Stan in the world's most depressing bar.
 

Drako

Lifer
Jun 9, 2007
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I thought the shootout last night was . . . interesting . . . but it felt incredibly overblown and improbable. We saw what would have been one of the most aggravated crimes ever committed in the state of California . . . why, exactly? These guys see the police coming and just unload on them with AK47s? Even if they were major criminals, that seemed like a stupid way to handle the situation, and it made no sense that they would be THAT well armed. They must have fired off something like 5,000+ rounds. Were they sitting on crates of loaded magazines or what?

That entire scene was ridiculous. Protesters standing around like nothing's going on. Workers in the building that just had the top floor explode, just standing around like nothing happened. Cops running out of cover for no apparent reason, other than to get shot in the head. Horrible writing and directing on multiple counts.
 

kn51

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That entire scene was ridiculous. Protesters standing around like nothing's going on. Workers in the building that just had the top floor explode, just standing around like nothing happened. Cops running out of cover for no apparent reason, other than to get shot in the head. Horrible writing and directing on multiple counts.

Aw come on now, when the police do a raid they stride along at a leisurely pace in the middle of the road...especially the guy with the battering ram.
 

Childs

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Jul 9, 2000
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My biggest complaint about this season is that we are already half way through and the actual murder mystery hasnt really been advanced at all. In Season 1 you thought you were dealing with the Zodiac or something in the first ep. Then a few eps later was gas mask man and then the secret society. This season is all character stuff from uninteresting people, or petty police politics.
 
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My biggest complaint about this season is that we are already half way through and the actual murder mystery hasnt really been advanced at all. In Season 1 you thought you were dealing with the Zodiac or something. Then a few eps later is like a secret society. This season is all character stuff from uninteresting people, or petty police politics.

I agree. The fact that this is, at least so far, just one murder (albeit a strange one) takes away from the drama as well.
 
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That entire scene was ridiculous. Protesters standing around like nothing's going on. Workers in the building that just had the top floor explode, just standing around like nothing happened. Cops running out of cover for no apparent reason, other than to get shot in the head. Horrible writing and directing on multiple counts.

I can't help but think this was their effort to do something special like the huge single-shot action scene in season 1. Unfortunately it was a hollow effort - the scene was basically ridiculous.
 

zinfamous

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I agree with a lot of the criticism so far, especially the pacing and the character connections and their back stories.

From episode 2 to 4, Ray and Antigone's investigation is essentially where it should have been the day after episode 1, when Casper was discovered. It strikes me that the focus of this season isn't so much the actual murder (indeed, it seems like the resolution will be rather pedestrian), as it is the interconnectedness of all the players involved. It seems that the main concern here, and one could call it the main character, is the city of Vinci itself and all of the corruption that comes with it (so much screen time is devoted to that grotesque brown haze). And I can be fine with that...I only wonder if we will get a hashed-out resolution only at the very end as piles of strange coincidences fall onto each other in a series of revelations that would have been realized within a week of the investigation. I really don't care that the investigation is more or less ancillary to the corruption plot or the characters, but I feel that we are just being strong along for no reason, and dumped too deep in the middle of all of these back stories that have no hope of full discovery.

One thing I disagree with, though: the dialogue. I love all of it. I'm a whore for Don Delillo and this type of writing--where every character essentially has the same voice and serve as vehicles for the author to spit out profound monologues. It's really the only reason I watched the first season and it's what keeps me watching this one. That being said, Vaughn can't deliver those scenes properly. He's fine when he's bashing faces and while I think his lines are superb, he just don't have that capacity to make these lines as terrifying and innocent as they command. I know this never would have happened, but someone like DiCaprio would have been perfect in this role.

I'm hoping that, like The Wire, this 2nd season is the black sheep season of the series.
 

zinfamous

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I can't help but think this was their effort to do something special like the huge single-shot action scene in season 1. Unfortunately it was a hollow effort - the scene was basically ridiculous.

I thought the same thing--this was the same timing (Act wise, when comparing to season 1) and model for that gorgeous single shot sequence from the previous season, but this just ended up being stupid when you spend some time thinking about it.

I think the action was great, it was well edited and it was certainly tense...but the scene just doesn't make much sense.
Plus, all but the 3 principles dead in the end? Of course...

by the way--I rather enjoy the most depressing bar in the world and the moany guitar chick. :\
 

kn51

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I can't help but think this was their effort to do something special like the huge single-shot action scene in season 1. Unfortunately it was a hollow effort - the scene was basically ridiculous.

At this point, the writing, directing, craziness and suspension of disbelief makes Sons of Anarchy look like it was written by Shakespeare.
 

zinfamous

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You must be fun at parties.

Well, what I mean is that I think those scenes are incredibly effective. That mood isn't my bag, at all; but the staging perfectly conveys the mire of this wretched city.

To further explain, I think this second season, perhaps more than the first, is directly intended to be a fictional representation of Edmund Burke's highly influential treatise on the concept, and use, of The Sublime.

Every shot and every (gorgeous) monologue in this season is, I think, a reflection of, "what has the power to compel and destroy us...the passion of fear (especially the fear of death)..."

The Most Depressing Bar in the World is the physical manifestation of Purgatory (certainly Milton's version), where the sublime may exist in a place without it's philosophical attachment to beauty--one which is often confused--and where the spirits trapped here intermix with the living--(we've already seen this place used as a setting for a spirit half-in, half-out.)


Again, my favorite exchange from this episode:

Antigone's hippie dad: "You must have lived hundreds of lives by now."
Valcoro: "Well, I can't handle another one"
 
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qliveur

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Vaughn is out of his depth. The other principle actors are doing alright, though, even Kitsch. And yeah, that shootout was ridiculous on so many levels.

I'll still watch it to the end, though.
 

Auric

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The shootout certainly was ridic but the coup de grace was
the final standoff wherein the bald baddie chose to execute a civilian hostage/shield as his final act before being riddled with bullets rather than shooting at the cops.


Can anyone clarify the exchange betwixt Bezzerides and Dixon in the "investigation hangar"? She referred to a barroom sunburn or something, implying he was hungover and/or late?
 

kn51

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The shootout certainly was ridic but the coup de grace was
the final standoff wherein the bald baddie chose to execute a civilian hostage/shield as his final act before being riddled with bullets rather than shooting at the cops.


Can anyone clarify the exchange betwixt Bezzerides and Dixon in the "investigation hangar"? She referred to a barroom sunburn or something, implying he was hungover and/or late?

Implication was he drank so much he looked sunburned due to the amount of alcohol.
 

qliveur

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The shootout certainly was ridic but the coup de grace was
the final standoff wherein the bald baddie chose to execute a civilian hostage/shield as his final act before being riddled with bullets rather than shooting at the cops.
Yeah, that was awful.
Implication was he drank so much he looked sunburned due to the amount of alcohol.
No, I don't think that's it.

I think he really was sunburned from actually doing his job for once.
 

Charmonium

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The mistakes are making me wonder about the writing this season. It doesn't feel as carefully thought out and methodical as last season. Season 1 was occasionally annoying because of the false leads but they did it so well that ultimately, you could appreciate it. There's nothing more annoying than plodding procedural dramas and in the first season they seemed to go out of their way to avoid that trap.

This season they seem to be making a similar effort to avoid the dreaded procedural but it's not really clear where we're going - as mentioned by a few others previously. Are we trying to solve Caspere's murder? I don't get the feeling that anyone really cares about that. Are we more concerned with where the state investigation is going? That seems to be the main focus since it's what brings the cast together.

I can understand wanting to avoid being a pure procedural and normally I would give the writers the benefit of the doubt in terms of having faith that they were going to take us on an interesting journey. But when you screw up a simple action sequence as badly as they did here, you have to wonder if you're giving them more credit than they deserve.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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true detective season 1 had someones whole life to write. S2 should of skipped a year to spend it on writing. Its not the kind of show that can slide by on crappy dialog.

Also I learned that pray spray automatic fire will get you a bunch of single head shots
 
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