HBO's True Detective Season 2 - let's discuss!

[Childs]

They don't have enough. They have some conjecture and some contracts for land deals. They don't have enough (yet) to really show a conspiracy. Even if they went to the media, the conspirators are highly connected. Nothing would come of it.

They had enough on them to send real cops go after McAdams and alert the media to her situation, and even kill a state attorney. If the documents and whatever evidence they have on Caspere's murder, or the eco disasters they caused, or even the original diamond theft and murder is brought to light, the conspirators will scatter like roaches, and their power would be diminished. If they hadn't put out the APB then the detectives wouldn't have to play that card yet. Seems like the conspirators had lots of options between where they were at and what they did.

Unless those contracts are worth actual money and not just a paper trail. It seems like the money is more important than dealing with the law.

 

[Auric]

yeah, the flashlights don't really bother me. This is why hunting dear with your headlights is illegal, no?

Yes, because the deer will take advantage and shoot first.

Going to the FBI would also protect themselves rather than having to flee the country as they discussed.

 

[Drako]

Seth Meyers - Fortune Cookie or True Detective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKTpW4n2XgQ

 

[smackababy]

They had enough on them to send real cops go after McAdams and alert the media to her situation, and even kill a state attorney. If the documents and whatever evidence they have on Caspere's murder, or the eco disasters they caused, or even the original diamond theft and murder is brought to light, the conspirators will scatter like roaches, and their power would be diminished. If they hadn't put out the APB then the detectives wouldn't have to play that card yet. Seems like the conspirators had lots of options between where they were at and what they did.

Unless those contracts are worth actual money and not just a paper trail. It seems like the money is more important than dealing with the law.

Nobody knows who killed Caspere, so they don't have anything on that. They don't have anything on the eco disaster caused to drive down land prices (I don't know if the detectives even know that yet). They only have documents showing some land sales (legal or not) and some speculation about cops stealing diamonds (one of which is dead).

 

[TechBoyJK]

ok that

Spoiler

vinci cop that shot the kid

, how the fuck did he know to wait by that particular door?! sloppy writing

There were more guys there than just those in the tunnel. They still had a perimeter. The guy likely heard the commotion or was told via radio about it. So he hid on the side of a door in a corner where he was out of view.

It actually makes sense to me...

 

[Childs]

Nobody knows who killed Caspere, so they don't have anything on that. They don't have anything on the eco disaster caused to drive down land prices (I don't know if the detectives even know that yet). They only have documents showing some land sales (legal or not) and some speculation about cops stealing diamonds (one of which is dead).

I'm pretty sure the detectives already discussed amongst themselves the thing about the land. They know Caspere's death was related to crooked cops robbing a jeweler. If they can make that leap, a bunch of reporters and FBI would be curious enough to follow up on it. Lets face it, its not like these detectives are Columbo. Especially when they link a dead state attorney that was investigating all this stuff.

Besides, they have no other plays left unless they are just going kill the dirty cops. Well, to me at least. The conspirators making this public simplifies things. They think what you have is enough to go public, then expose what you have to whoever will look at it.

 

[TechBoyJK]

ive watched every show and will watch the finale, but i must be retarded because there are so many characters im having a hard time understanding what the plots are. Russians, armenians, diamonds, eyes wide shut whores, cops getting kicked off the force after a huge shoot out. cops now fugitives, black female cop is found dead. Vaughn skipping the country because of getting bought out...

I think the cluster fuck you're seeing is the major part of the plot.

It represents unchecked corruption. The entire city is completely fucked.

 

[PottedMeat]

Besides, they have no other plays left unless they are just going kill the dirty cops. Well, to me at least. The conspirators making this public simplifies things. They think what you have is enough to go public, then expose what you have to whoever will look at it.

i think the orphans have the blackmail harddrive. bezzerides talks to them and she lets the slide on caspere's murder given the revenge angle and she uses the drive to get out of the guard's murder.

frank probably asks velcoro to help assault the catalyst meeting and ray doesn't make it out.

 

[Childs]

i think the orphans have the blackmail harddrive. bezzerides talks to them and she lets the slide on caspere's murder given the revenge angle and she uses the drive to get out of the guard's murder.

frank probably asks velcoro to help assault the catalyst meeting and ray doesn't make it out.

Yeah, getting the hard drive is probably what they will do, especially since they identified the little girl in the last episode. It would be anti-climatic if they use to drive as leverage to simply leave the detectives alone, and everything is what it was when the show starts. Probably more realistic though.

 

[smackababy]

I'm pretty sure the detectives already discussed amongst themselves the thing about the land. They know Caspere's death was related to crooked cops robbing a jeweler. If they can make that leap, a bunch of reporters and FBI would be curious enough to follow up on it. Lets face it, its not like these detectives are Columbo. Especially when they link a dead state attorney that was investigating all this stuff.

Besides, they have no other plays left unless they are just going kill the dirty cops. Well, to me at least. The conspirators making this public simplifies things. They think what you have is enough to go public, then expose what you have to whoever will look at it.

The rat even admitted nobody knows who killed Caspere (IE: it wasn't the Russians pulling the strings). Caspere fucked Vaughn on his own and was tortured by someone for it.

Until they get this HDD (which might not exist, or have something completely different on it, similar to the tape Russ got in season 1...), they don't have enough to go public.

I think Vaughn is going to inadvertently play a part in righting this, simply by attempting his revenge. He is going to bring some people out in in the light when he is attacking them. Possibly, the exchange is actually with this organization of people wearing deer masks.

 

[Childs]

The rat even admitted nobody knows who killed Caspere (IE: it wasn't the Russians pulling the strings). Caspere fucked Vaughn on his own and was tortured by someone for it.

Until they get this HDD (which might not exist, or have something completely different on it, similar to the tape Russ got in season 1...), they don't have enough to go public.

I think Vaughn is going to inadvertently play a part in righting this, simply by attempting his revenge. He is going to bring some people out in in the light when he is attacking them. Possibly, the exchange is actually with this organization of people wearing deer masks.

He didnt know who killed Caspere, but the detectives know Caspere was working with the cops that robbed the jewelry store, and even theorized they killed him to clean up that mess. It doesnt really matter who killed him, but if you put it out there that a bunch of cops robbed the jewelry store and Caspere's death is related, it would get more people looking at it.

My bet is on the brother from the orphaned kids. He's likely the raven mask guy. It might explain why he didnt kill Colin when he could have...he has no beef with him. The orphans set this up to avenge their parents. Getting the tape doesnt really do much except embarrass the people on the tape. Having kinky sex isnt really illegal. The only thing the tape proves is the people on it are pervs. Its just leverage to get some of the more prominent people on the tape to back off.

Vaughn is really screwed. He's going against a mega corp with a private army, Russian mobsters, and not to mention the Mexican gangsters. Maybe even the corrupt cops. I will be amazed if they can tie up all the lose threads in 90 min, and have it feel satisfying.

 

[PottedMeat]

A very helpful detailed story breakdown:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...de_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html?

My bet is on the brother from the orphaned kids. He's likely the raven mask guy. It might explain why he didnt kill Colin when he could have...he has no beef with him. The orphans set this up to avenge their parents. Getting the tape doesnt really do much except embarrass the people on the tape.

still don't know why ravenmask was hanging around caspere's love nest for like a week+ with a riot round loaded shotgun and running camera... probably just one of the many plot holes

 

[MongGrel]

The fact I like The Brink more atm kinda says something I guess.

Still watching it, but True Detective seems to be struggling IMHO.

 

[qliveur]

DP

 

[qliveur]

I could go on...it is a mess. Feels like blue balls in my heart, then the rats came.

:awe:

A very helpful detailed story breakdown:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...de_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html?

Ah, thank you, sir! :thumbsup:

No way am I sitting through this boring train wreck again just to figure all of that convoluted shit out. Once is enough.

 

[Childs]

still don't know why ravenmask was hanging around caspere's love nest for like a week+ with a riot round loaded shotgun and running camera... probably just one of the many plot holes

He may be following Ray. Remember he was there to torch the car when they questioned the guy who they thought was driving it. He must have been someone we already seen, like the secretary, but insignificant like Stan that all of a sudden becomes important.

 

[smackababy]

He may be following Ray. Remember he was there to torch the car when they questioned the guy who they thought was driving it. He must have been someone we already seen, like the secretary, but insignificant like Stan that all of a sudden becomes important.

I'm sure we've seen him already. If it is Leonard (the brother in the robbery), we probably saw him at the movie set and he was probably someone who worked in the precinct in earlier years.

 

[Childs]

I'm sure we've seen him already. If it is Leonard (the brother in the robbery), we probably saw him at the movie set and he was probably someone who worked in the precinct in earlier years.

He would be the same age as Caspere's secretary. I'm kinda tempted to rewatch that section, but I think I'll wait. That would make sense that he was there, not just because his sister was there, but it would explain how he would have shown up to torch the car. And the sister was one of the first to know the detectives were looking at Caspere's assets. I dont remember if she told them about the house, but she could have told her brother they were looking for it, and he could have staked it out or simply followed Ray.

 

[smackababy]

He would be the same age as Caspere's secretary. I'm kinda tempted to rewatch that section, but I think I'll wait. That would make sense that he was there, not just because his sister was there, but it would explain how he would have shown up to torch the car. And the sister was one of the first to know the detectives were looking at Caspere's assets. I dont remember if she told them about the house, but she could have told her brother they were looking for it, and he could have staked it out or simply followed Ray.

The only person I remember was the photographer, but that would be too obvious. He has to be like an extra or a grip or something. It would help tie together the "who is looking into this murder" and how he found them. Simply staking out the house doesn't make sense, even if he knew about the house. I wager, that is what put the brother (if he is the mask wearer) onto Caspere's second house in the first place. So, now they have the HDD and the drive to finish off the guys involved in the jewelry store robbery.

I still think there is more to the guy with the long hair taking McAdams into the woods flashback. It reeks of the first season, but that could just be a red herring, similar to how Blake's hair is red and so is Velcoro's kid. Coincidence that he was the one who had the information? Maybe.

 

[Charmonium]

Everything you need to know for the finale

http://www.businessinsider.com/true-detective-season-2-plot-summary-2015-8

 

[smackababy]

Do we really need all these recap articles? I have yet to learn anything new from any of them. Am I the only person capable of actually following a plot line with more than a "the president's daughter has been kidnapped and it's up to me" garbage?

 

[Charmonium]

Personally, I have a really hard time remembering names, even in real life. So when it comes to complicated plots, yeah, I can get seriously lost.

Also, I have the attention span of a squirrel so I'm almost always doing more than just watching a show. I know I need to pay attention to some like TD but still, I tend to drift, check my email, etc.

 

[dbk]

Not really focused on the "WHODUNNIT" aspect of the story but just letting it unfold as I watch. I knew that lieutenant was up to no good the moment I saw him - plus James Frain too good of an actor to NOT be involved in some manner.

 

[Drako]

Do we really need all these recap articles?

Yes

I have yet to learn anything new from any of them. Am I the only person capable of actually following a plot line with more than a "the president's daughter has been kidnapped and it's up to me" garbage?

Yes

 

[Charmonium]

Another show I've been watching is TNT's Murder in the First. The first season was pretty much a straight up murder mystery but it was very well done I thought. Not in the same league as the first season of TD, but respectable.

The second season though is much more complex with several plot lines much like the second season of TD but in my opinion, done much better. You don't get the gratuitous philosophizing of TD and there is more real drama with competent acting. The story is just as complex but you don't have to worry about being lost because you missed one key detail or forgot about a character from 3 episodes ago.