HD 2900pro launch

[bryanW1995]

check my sig bro. I have an x1950xt. Guess what I had before that? 7600gt. great card, ran cool, I had no complaints, but I couldn't run SC at high-enough settings and I was too cheap to spend 270 AR + for a vid card, so I sold the 7600 gt for $65 on fs/ft and spent 155 AR for the x1950xt. I did not get A SINGLE RECOMMENDATION FOR AN NVIDIA CARD IN THAT PRICE RANGE.

I like nvidia cards. They run cooler. Their fans are quieter. They are almost like intel is to amd, and hey, everybody likes a winner. Unfortunately, they don't make a decent gaming card for less than the price of an 8800 gts 320 right now. That price has fluctuated for 249-279 AR for about 6 mos now. Now, if the 2900 pro gets released in something more than "limited quantities", the 8800 gts 320 will go down. A lot. Immediately. Either that, or, even better, the 8700 gts will come out ASAP instead of making us wait until Q1 08. We enthusiast gamers literally cannot lose in this scenario. We might not win, esp if the 2900 pro can't oc at all or if it can't beat an 8800 gts 320, or, worst of all, if it really is just an extremely limited edition, but we won't lose in any way. I hope that tomorrow morning sapphire comes out with a $199 2900 pro and nvidia fights back with a $199 gts 320. THEN we can go butt heads and espouse the virtues of each. We might even get anand to do a little mano-a-mano comparison, no?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
ive already said i have a weak 7600GT, but me having a weak arse card has nothing to do with the fact that its pointless buying a 2900pro Now!

Well that is certainly true! I also have a weak card (x1900gt) and am holding off on dx10 - at least until I see some games that really benefit. Still must admit the 2900pro temps me - as the price is in my range.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
Except immature nvidia fanboys who will possibly be worried that their profits will drop from 2 billion this quarter to 1.9999 billion...

That is the best line ive ever read, im not sad enough to know the profits of a graphic card company.

Quoting his own posts

World in Conflict

World in Conflict is another new and exciting game, but unlike Bioshock and Medal of Honour: Airborne which are first person shooters, this is an RTS title. Like Supreme Commander we have found World in Conflict to be very demanding and this is another game that really only plays well with GeForce 8800 based graphics cards. As you can see, with the very high visual quality settings enabled the Radeon HD 2900XT performance was quite poor.

X3

You would think that because the Radeon HD 2900XT was so dominant with the no AA/AF settings enabled, turning them on would not hurt it all that much, but it did! The 8xAA/16xAF settings killed the Radeon HD 2900XT once again, effectively halving its performance at 1920x1200. This not only make the Radeon much slower than it was originally, it was also slower than both the GeForce 8800 GTS and GTX graphics cards.

Conclusion

Out of the nine games we tested the Radeon HD 2900XT clearly won two of them while the GeForce 8800 GTS won three. The other four games were close enough to call a tie meaning either the Radeon HD 2900XT or the GeForce 8800 GTS will deliver pretty much the same performance. Given that we did test a range of games, some of which were very new, this does place the Radeon HD 2900XT in a sticky position. The good news is that newer games such as Bioshock and Medal of Honour: Airborne played exceptionally well on the Radeon HD 2900XT

Would you like me to continue? These are all from your links.

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=680&p=11
Read away people. so instead of trying to be clever read the facts first.


i can see there is no talking sense to you fanboys, enjoy your cards gentlemen.

Both cards run like utter crap in World in Conflict. In fact every single card out there does. It's just how the game is. So much happening on screen at one time. They also don't mention if they enabled DX10 features or not.

 

[gtsing]

Why don't you rename the thread to "2900XT vs 8800GTS...FIGHT!"?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: gtsing
Why don't you rename the thread to "2900XT vs 8800GTS...FIGHT!"?

This is fighting against someone who blatantly came in here to threadcrap. We don't need ppl to tell us "buying an HD2900Pro is stupid blah blah"

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
ive already said i have a weak 7600GT, but me having a weak arse card has nothing to do with the fact that its pointless buying a 2900pro Now!

Well that is certainly true! I also have a weak card (x1900gt) and am holding off on dx10 - at least until I see some games that really benefit. Still must admit the 2900pro temps me - as the price is in my range.

I don't really need a new card, but if I could get 8800 gts 320 or better perf for around 200 then it would be very difficult for me to resist.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
ive already said i have a weak 7600GT, but me having a weak arse card has nothing to do with the fact that its pointless buying a 2900pro Now!

Well that is certainly true! I also have a weak card (x1900gt) and am holding off on dx10 - at least until I see some games that really benefit. Still must admit the 2900pro temps me - as the price is in my range.

I don't really need a new card, but if I could get 8800 gts 320 or better perf for around 200 then it would be very difficult for me to resist.

that was the whole point of this thread I think

 

[novasatori]

man people complaining about stuff running like crap at 1920x1200 with 4xAA & 16xAF make me cry a little... ok, a lot...

 

[betasub]

I may be committing a cadinal sin by quoting myself, but just to reinforce the point that interest in the 2900pro is mainly about price:

Originally posted by: betasub
Meanwhile PowerColor have undercut their rivals with the cheapest priced HD2900pro yet to be see in the UK: 126.50UKP before tax (148.64UKP inc. tax). PowerColor site lists same specs as we've seen from other boardmakers (600Core/800Mem, 512bit interface).
PowerColor HD2900pro 512MB

All indications are for a 249USD price point, although initial release and later scarsity could allow vendors to ask up to 299USD.

 

[CrystalBay]

^^^ Thats the problem..^^^^

 

[Aznguy1872]

I would definately buy it for 249 dollars, but 300, hrm maybe not depending on how the reviews turn out to be.

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
ive already said i have a weak 7600GT, but me having a weak arse card has nothing to do with the fact that its pointless buying a 2900pro Now!

Well that is certainly true! I also have a weak card (x1900gt) and am holding off on dx10 - at least until I see some games that really benefit. Still must admit the 2900pro temps me - as the price is in my range.

youll not be tempted when you see the performance, infact i think your 1900XT would be just as fast in DX9 games, i think its beggining of Nov when the new Nvidia cards are released so even the 8800's will drop in price quite a bit, im not sure about ATI's new cards, but at the end of the day you want the fastest card for your money, its just shame that fanboyism got in the way of that for Dredd.


Can i just point out that i play World in Conflict at 1680x1050 @ Medium settings and it runs smooth as silk, not bad for a 2 year old 128bit 256mb card Eh.

 

[Murasame]

PCLab a Polish hardware site has just posted there HD2900pro review. Showing that the 512 bit card is in fact a full fledged 2900xt just underclocked. Here is there graph of the xt, pro and pro oc in 3dmark 06:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artyku...rczyk/2900pro/oc-1.png

Here is a link to the review: http://pclab.pl/art28806.html

 

[kknd1967]

in other words, 2900Pro are INDEED crappy version of 2900XT (A11 stepping vs 2900XT's A12 as rumor has it)
has to downclock to preventthe heat/power from rediculous numbers

Originally posted by: Murasame
PCLab a Polish hardware site has just posted there HD2900pro review. Showing that the 512 bit card is in fact a full fledged 2900xt just underclocked. Here is there graph of the xt, pro and pro oc in 3dmark 06:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artyku...rczyk/2900pro/oc-1.png

Here is a link to the review: http://pclab.pl/art28806.html

 

[nullpointerus]

Seriously, the card looks good for the expected price. It seems to pull ahead of the 8800 GTS 320 at higher resolutions. Either this will remain a killer deal (for a short time), or nVidia will lower the price on the 8800 GTS models to remain competitive.

But then what kind of performance hit will the HD2900 GT see from its 256-bit memory interface (and possibly other cuts) as it replaces the HD2900 Pro and has to compete against 8800 GTS cards with lowered prices?

 

[shabby]

First a crippled 3 core cpu, now early steppings of the r600? Way to go amd!

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Murasame
PCLab a Polish hardware site has just posted there HD2900pro review. Showing that the 512 bit card is in fact a full fledged 2900xt just underclocked. Here is there graph of the xt, pro and pro oc in 3dmark 06:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artyku...rczyk/2900pro/oc-1.png

Here is a link to the review: http://pclab.pl/art28806.html

Thanks for the link. Seems like it would be a great buy if it comes in less than the 8800GTS, especially seeing that it beats the 320 in a couple of runs. I wonder when they will get GT reviews out?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Murasame
PCLab a Polish hardware site has just posted there HD2900pro review. Showing that the 512 bit card is in fact a full fledged 2900xt just underclocked. Here is there graph of the xt, pro and pro oc in 3dmark 06:
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artyku...rczyk/2900pro/oc-1.png

Here is a link to the review: http://pclab.pl/art28806.html

Thanks for the link. Seems like it would be a great buy if it comes in less than the 8800GTS, especially seeing that it beats the 320 in a couple of runs. I wonder when they will get GT reviews out?

if it is true, i hope to get one as my 2nd GPU for Xfire with my current 2900xt ... since the Pro is only slightly less then the XT it could be a good 'fit' for my 2nd [bandwidth-restricted] 4x PCie slot

it appears that i can get better then 8800GTX-Ultra results with 2900 X-fire for under $600 since i paid $320 for my 2900xt from BestBuy back in June

Do you think it is a good idea? ... i am only running a 20" 205BW at 16x10 so i can probably get good FPS in even DX10 titles

 

[tvdang7]

Originally posted by: shabby
First a crippled 3 core cpu, now early steppings of the r600? Way to go amd!

whats wrong with selling us a downclocked 2900xt for cheaper? i dont see a problem.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
ive already said i have a weak 7600GT, but me having a weak arse card has nothing to do with the fact that its pointless buying a 2900pro Now!

Well that is certainly true! I also have a weak card (x1900gt) and am holding off on dx10 - at least until I see some games that really benefit. Still must admit the 2900pro temps me - as the price is in my range.

youll not be tempted when you see the performance, infact i think your 1900XT would be just as fast in DX9 games, i think its beggining of Nov when the new Nvidia cards are released so even the 8800's will drop in price quite a bit, im not sure about ATI's new cards, but at the end of the day you want the fastest card for your money, its just shame that fanboyism got in the way of that for Dredd.


Can i just point out that i play World in Conflict at 1680x1050 @ Medium settings and it runs smooth as silk, not bad for a 2 year old 128bit 256mb card Eh.

You calling me a fanboy? You are the one who was threadcrapping. Just friggen leave!

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
ive already said i have a weak 7600GT, but me having a weak arse card has nothing to do with the fact that its pointless buying a 2900pro Now!

Well that is certainly true! I also have a weak card (x1900gt) and am holding off on dx10 - at least until I see some games that really benefit. Still must admit the 2900pro temps me - as the price is in my range.

youll not be tempted when you see the performance, infact i think your 1900XT would be just as fast in DX9 games, i think its beggining of Nov when the new Nvidia cards are released so even the 8800's will drop in price quite a bit, im not sure about ATI's new cards, but at the end of the day you want the fastest card for your money, its just shame that fanboyism got in the way of that for Dredd.


Can i just point out that i play World in Conflict at 1680x1050 @ Medium settings and it runs smooth as silk, not bad for a 2 year old 128bit 256mb card Eh.

Better be careful with the personal insults. Last guy that called me a fanboy got 2 days. Very strict here now. Actually not sure why you didn't get a warning. Anyways of course if nvidia offerings drop in price - they will be more tempting. Sort of the point of this thread. Best bang for the buck for us cheapies. I also agree that games are mainly aiming at consoles - so the gains of a faster card are more marginal than in previous generations. When farcry came out, my 9700pro was painfull. The x800xtpe was not. Now with bioshock - my last gen midrange card lets me play and have fun. Better make another drink - am rambling..........................................

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm with Apoppin here... HD2900XT for cheap to start. I got mine for $360 which was not as cheap as his $320 but still cheaper than anywhere else and much cheaper than the 8800. Add a HD2900Pro card in for crossfire and bam.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
I'm with Apoppin here... HD2900XT for cheap to start. I got mine for $360 which was not as cheap as his $320 but still cheaper than anywhere else and much cheaper than the 8800. Add a HD2900Pro card in for crossfire and bam.

well, lest anyone forget, we thoroughly *tested* HD2900xt vs 8800GTS-640[OC] 3 months ago and the 2900xt was a true "competitor"

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...062057&highlight_key=y
[posts 1-3 and 5]

What made 2900xt "work" for me was PRICE ... at $320 [and with $50 of Valve Orange Box] ... not to mention my PS is quite capable ... i would have been quite foolish to get a bundless 640-OC for $70 more

. . . now if it were *reversed*, i would be happily gaming on a GTX ...
- but i always saw an alternative to it with another XT ... and now it looks like i can get by on the cheap with a Pro ... gotta find a sale

AND - *important* - PLEASE *stop* the fanboy crap :|
--Don't make me get a Senior Mod in to clean house - they will have no mercy.
:Q

 

[ronnn]

Overclocks nice

 

[spittledip]

Can anyone read Polish? Is there any mention of heat and noise?

edit: in the afore posted link: http://pclab.pl/art28806.html