HD 3870 Benchmarks here

[JPB]

HD 3870 Benches including Crysis

AMD Radeon HD 3850 & HD 3870 spotted in the wild

Original Bit-tech article

Radeon HD 38x0 vs 2900 size comparison

Radeon 3850 with native HDMI pictured

Radeon 38x0 cards to be overclockers

Jen-Hsun makes a three-way SLI error / Three-way SLI not possible on 8800GT

 

[Relion]

Congratulations...quitting smoking is so hard...my grandpa and an uncle did it

 

[SniperDaws]

i must say im pretty impressed especially if its priced cheaper than the 8800GT, Hmmm i wonder what its like OC'ed.

 

[JPB]

But what we need here, is some benchmarks with AA enabled. To see if it is fixed or not. But so far, it don't look bad at all and may overclock well due to the 55 process and low temps.

 

[Avalon]

So it's around the recently speculated ballpark of 10-15% slower...not bad I guess, but when we were waiting for both RV670 and G92, the rumor mills were strongly suggesting RV670 was going to be the superior card, which kinda disappoints me.

I'll still pick it up if the price is right.

 

[SniperDaws]

Why is the CPU Score constantly lower on the ATI benchmark compared to the 8800GT, i mean its only 300 points but why is that ?

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: Avalon
So it's around the recently speculated ballpark of 10-15% slower...not bad I guess, but when we were waiting for both RV670 and G92, the rumor mills were strongly suggesting RV670 was going to be the superior card, which kinda disappoints me.

I'll still pick it up if the price is right.

HD 3870 $268.99 w/free shipping

HD 3850 $217.99 w/free shipping

 

[waffleironhead]

"From 3Dmark06 and Crysis, it looks like nVidia 8800GT is better than HD3870. However, there is one thing we need to tell you

We found ATi HD3870 is actually has better picture process while Crysis benching.

Specially the light refraction from water, HD3870 is very smooth but 8800GT is not. It is around frame 500 to 1000.

If you have chance, compare it. You will know what are we talking about."

this is the interesting part to me, Ill give up a few fps for BETTER visual qualuty anyday!

 

[Demoth]

These leaked results tend to indicate immature drivers and a potential for a much greater improvement over the 8800 series. Even so, initial performance on a card with less then half the power draw of a 2900XT in the $200 range is pretty nice for mid range buyers.

Lower power draw and performance close to top end is positive progress in my book and makes sense. The huge number of gamers with those cheap 20A on the 12 V rail PSUs have a shot at running this card which is a step forward.

Really looking foward to this ATI gen. though I might hold my 7900GT for another 6 months still as it is still doing just fine for me.

 

[bryanW1995]

3870 and 8800gt were probably about the same before nvidia bumped up the clocks. obviously ati decided not to try to compete on speed...as usual...but if it's a good deal at least this is designed as a midrange/budget type card so it doesn't have to be the fastest anyway.

 

[jskagg]

Also, another report about price today:

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20071112PD204.html

Basically the report suggests price has been cut from $199-$259 to $179-$239 for the 3850 and 3870.

 

[bryanW1995]

those clocks are higher than was reported earlier. I saw a test done on a 776/1126 3870 yesterday. 825/1200 looks a lot better, but the 3850 with 750/900 should be the real steal with 512 mb imho, esp if it's closer to the 190-200 price point.

 

[SniperDaws]

The Benchies are done with the ATI card listed as 777 core and 1126 (2252)
DDR4 so it might beat the 8800GT now with a stock of 825 core and 1200 (2400) DDR4.

 

[bryanW1995]

there's almost no chance that it will beat 8800gt or ati would have been screaming about it for the past 2 weeks. It would certainly be closer at 825/1200, however. I'm just happy that we're looking at a potential for some competition!

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
there's almost no chance that it will beat 8800gt or ati would have been screaming about it for the past 2 weeks. It would certainly be closer at 825/1200, however. I'm just happy that we're looking at a potential for some competition!

Not so sure about that. Seems like a pretty aggressive viral campaign is going on. Of course this close to launch, lower expectations just makes the launch seem that much more successful. These limited leaked benchmarks are so hard to interpret. Like why better 3dmock in sm 3.0 than 2.0 and how will this effect newer titles? Why no xfire bench in the limited crysis bit....?

Anyways seems to me ati is screaming plenty loud right now and Nvidia has responded by pushing forward a limp launch (that appears to have some cooling issues). The pr wars for mindshare should be huge!

 

[fleshconsumed]

Iax-tech says the difference in Crysis is only 2 fps, however what they fail to mention that this is a difference between 12 and 14 fps, or about 15%. Bumping clocks from 777/1126 to 825/1200 as well as using less stressful in-game test that does not push cards to the limit might close the gap, but I don't think 3870 will ever completely overtake 8800GT. Further overclocking of ATI cards might help too, but we don't know how well they overclock, while we do know that majority or 8800GT cards can do 700MHz on the core. Previously I was of the opinion that ATI new cards will perform around the same as 8800GT, right now it appears they will be a little slower. It's probably not as bad as long as they are cheaper than $270 8800GT's.

 

[Spikesoldier]

do these cards include UVD?

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
there's almost no chance that it will beat 8800gt or ati would have been screaming about it for the past 2 weeks. It would certainly be closer at 825/1200, however. I'm just happy that we're looking at a potential for some competition!

If the 3870 wasn't going to be competitive nvidia wouldn't have pushed up the clocks of the 8800gt so much. It's obvious the tiny single slot cooler on the GT wasn't designed for a GPU that puts off as much heat as the 8800gt does at stock speeds. If the 3870 was slower nvidia probably would have clocked it at around 500mhz. That way it fits in nicely under the 8800GTS and would leave room for a "new" GTS around current GT speeds. I think if nvidia would have known that the GT would end up being faster than the GTS they would have named it accordingly (8900GT?) and have done a refresh similar to the 7800>7900 refresh. However, the 3870 was faster than they expected which threw a wrench into their plans and they had to bump up the 8800gt clocks to compensate.

Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
do these cards include UVD?

yes

 

[swtethan]

Scores for the 8800GT 3dm06 @ default look pretty low, my rig does 14,500 in vista64 yet having a 500MHz disadvantage vs authors 4GHz quad

 

[requiem1]

i really want to see more real game benchmarks from other sites....my 8800gt ($250) order hasnt come in but...if there is hard evidence the x3870 is better..i might cancel it. I'm not considered about price because I believe for a while it will not be more than a $20 difference than a 8800GT. I want to see a lot of performance tests!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: swtethan
Scores for the 8800GT 3dm06 @ default look pretty low, my rig does 14,500 in vista64 yet having a 500MHz disadvantage vs authors 4GHz quad

But your o/c'd to 780.

 

[SniperDaws]

Whats UVD and whats the biggy with it ?

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
there's almost no chance that it will beat 8800gt or ati would have been screaming about it for the past 2 weeks. It would certainly be closer at 825/1200, however. I'm just happy that we're looking at a potential for some competition!

If the 3870 wasn't going to be competitive nvidia wouldn't have pushed up the clocks of the 8800gt so much. It's obvious the tiny single slot cooler on the GT wasn't designed for a GPU that puts off as much heat as the 8800gt does at stock speeds. If the 3870 was slower nvidia probably would have clocked it at around 500mhz. That way it fits in nicely under the 8800GTS and would leave room for a "new" GTS around current GT speeds. I think if nvidia would have known that the GT would end up being faster than the GTS they would have named it accordingly (8900GT?) and have done a refresh similar to the 7800>7900 refresh. However, the 3870 was faster than they expected which threw a wrench into their plans and they had to bump up the 8800gt clocks to compensate.

Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
do these cards include UVD?

yes

good logic.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
Whats UVD and whats the biggy with it ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder

The UVD, as stated by ATI, handles decoding of H.264/AVC, and VC-1 video codecs almost entirely in hardware. The decoder meets the performance and profile requirements of Blu-ray and HD-DVD, decoding H.264 bitstreams up to a bitrate of 40 Mbit/s. It has context-adaptive binary arithmetic coding (CABAC) support and dual-stream decoding support, which would make picture-in-picture possible

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: SniperDaws
Whats UVD and whats the biggy with it ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder

The UVD, as stated by ATI, handles decoding of H.264/AVC, and VC-1 video codecs almost entirely in hardware. The decoder meets the performance and profile requirements of Blu-ray and HD-DVD, decoding H.264 bitstreams up to a bitrate of 40 Mbit/s. It has context-adaptive binary arithmetic coding (CABAC) support and dual-stream decoding support, which would make picture-in-picture possible

Yeah i just read that but im afraid its beyond me when it comes to video and decoding, is UVD just ATI's version of Purevideo 2? As long as it has a nice AUTO mode ill be happy