HD-DVD or BD?

[rubix]

blu ray all the way.

the real discussion is in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=411600

almost at 10,000 posts.

 

[Blayze]

Whichever one becomes the standard format. That is if they catch on.

People are happy with DVDs right now (most people). A lot of them have just got DVD players and started buying movies in the past 2 to 3 years. They are not ready to upgrade to a new format. Whichever one wins is also going to HAVE to be backwards compatible with DVDs for it to catch on.

The difference between the formats and DVD is not going to be as great as VHS to DVD. The average person will look at it and say why pay more for it than my DVDs if it looks the same on my 27 inch TV.

One of these formats, or a HD format, will eventually catch on. Its going to take some time though. The HD market has a long way to go, and its going to take some time. For right now I'm just going to continue buying DVDs and let this "war" end before I move on to another format.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

BRD vs. HDDVD... Doesn't matter.

Three years ago it was SACD vs. DVD-A. Which one will survive, Oh my... Now every player out there does both.

Wash rinse repeat. Such is the nature of disc tech these days.

The war will last a year then everyone who is not sony or toshiba will build a multi-format player. The snobs will buy BRD and the rest of the folks will go the cheaper rout and buy the DVD-HD version. Both groups will be just as happy about their new toys. The studios that are lining up on either side waiting for a war will come to find out that outside of the 5% of their customers who care enough to argue about this crap on the net, most will simply buy the cheapest version. VHS (DVD-HD) will win again and Sony will be able to file the Blue Ray Disc right next to their other legacy products, Beta and Mini-Disc.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well if its hddvd then its going to be fun buying pirate copies on ebay. its cheaper to make with current factories...which also means its easy to pirate

Somehow I don't think they're letting the pirates take part in the vote here.

but their decision to choose hddvd will result in just that. all the stuff about current factories being able to make them with little change. well fine. i'm sure they'll over charge for the hddvds when they first come out too. make the ebay pirates even more enticing.

i'm for bluray...hddvd aims too low

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
BRD vs. HDDVD... Doesn't matter.

Three years ago it was SACD vs. DVD-A. Which one will survive, Oh my... Now every player out there does both.

Wash rinse repeat. Such is the nature of disc tech these days.

The war will last a year then everyone who is not sony or toshiba will build a multi-format player. The snobs will buy BRD and the rest of the folks will go the cheaper rout and buy the DVD-HD version. Both groups will be just as happy about their new toys. The studios that are lining up on either side waiting for a war will come to find out that outside of the 5% of their customers who care enough to argue about this crap on the net, most will simply buy the cheapest version. VHS (DVD-HD) will win again and Sony will be able to file the Blue Ray Disc right next to their other legacy products, Beta and Mini-Disc.

well actually the lesson of sacd vs dvda is that both formats got murdered by the format war+overzealous copy protection schemes...

 

[Shawn]

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
BRD vs. HDDVD... Doesn't matter.

Three years ago it was SACD vs. DVD-A. Which one will survive, Oh my... Now every player out there does both.

Wash rinse repeat. Such is the nature of disc tech these days.

The war will last a year then everyone who is not sony or toshiba will build a multi-format player. The snobs will buy BRD and the rest of the folks will go the cheaper rout and buy the DVD-HD version. Both groups will be just as happy about their new toys. The studios that are lining up on either side waiting for a war will come to find out that outside of the 5% of their customers who care enough to argue about this crap on the net, most will simply buy the cheapest version. VHS (DVD-HD) will win again and Sony will be able to file the Blue Ray Disc right next to their other legacy products, Beta and Mini-Disc.

well actually the lesson of sacd vs dvda is that both formats got murdered by the format war+overzealous copy protection schemes...

Well actually, the REAL lesson about DVD-A vs. SACD is that the conventional 16 bit CD format can still outperform 99% of all the stereo systems it's played on. So nobody gives a shlt.

 

[jerryjg]

what the hell are you talking about? never heard of any of em. I use a cdrw/dvdrom, and also another dvdrw in my computer.

 

[0roo0roo]

wellyea, but consumers really weren't given a chance to give a sh*t in the first place. they delayed the release of dvd-a to finish the copy protection and thus missed the chance to have every dvd player in existence dvd-a capable. they missed out big time. then of course the inability to rip/mix/burn is just a sh*t move on their part. then there was the cost and selection. people will pay for quality, heck look at the geeks here who think they can hear the difference between 192kbs mp3 and lossless. but they placed too many barriers in the way. and well most of us have surround systems now, so that aspect would have been superior to cd, regardless of base audio quality.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

LOL.. true. Too many chefs in the kitchen on that one. So imagine how it's going to be with either format of HD video disc tehnology.

I'm still predicting that ultimately it won't matter which technology "wins"... In two years you'll be buying a DVD/CD/SACD/DVD-A/Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player/Recorder. Although I'm holding out hope that someone will come up with a catchier name. It'll probably be Philips... They'll call it a "Smart Disc" player. *vomit*

 

[Legend]

The difference between the formats and DVD is not going to be as great as VHS to DVD. The average person will look at it and say why pay more for it than my DVDs if it looks the same on my 27 inch TV.

The difference will be greater. 480p -> 1080p

versus 480i (blurry) -> 480p (clean signal).

If you want to talk about audio:

2.1 -> 6.1
6.1 -> Dolby Digital HD (13.1, 10X audio bitrate) and DTS HD

HDDVD doesn't cut it. It doesn't have enough space for this audio and video without considerable compression.

Neither does BR...but BR with 2-4 layers does.

 

[0roo0roo]

yup as more and more hd sets get sold the difference will be night and day.

 

[Blayze]

Originally posted by: Legend

The difference between the formats and DVD is not going to be as great as VHS to DVD. The average person will look at it and say why pay more for it than my DVDs if it looks the same on my 27 inch TV.

The difference will be greater. 480p -> 1080p

versus 480i (blurry) -> 480p (clean signal).

If you want to talk about audio:

2.1 -> 6.1
6.1 -> Dolby Digital HD (13.1, 10X audio bitrate) and DTS HD

HDDVD doesn't cut it. It doesn't have enough space for this audio and video without considerable compression.

Neither does BR...but BR with 2-4 layers does.

But most people don't have HDTVs or surround sound speakers yet. They want see much difference with there old analog sets. In a few years when more people move to HDTVs then yes they will see a difference. HDTVs are also going to have to get cheaper. I know you can get small sets for under a $1000, but if you want something bigger you have to spend > $1000. Most are not willing to spend that much money on a TV set.

 

Blu-Ray rapes HD-DVD in every way. More storage, better interface (Java virtual machine in every box), cooler name

 

Looks like HD-DVD is dead out the gate:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3142708

Microsoft has several times said Xbox 360 would feature a next-generation optical media before the end of its lifespan. Clearly the company won't support Sony's proprietary Blu-ray technology (PSP support in Xbox 360 or not), making Toshiba's HD-DVD the only other reasonable option.

Too bad it seems HD-DVD's losing some steam. The format was supposed to kick off into the retail channels this holiday season as part of a move to stay ahead of Blu-ray, but the Wall Street Journal reports several companies are backing off from their previous pledges of support.

Paramount Pictures was supposed to release more than 20 HD-DVD titles beginning in the fourth quarter, but sources have told the WSJ that isn't happening at all. NBC Universal, originally slated for 16 releases, has now shaved to 'about a dozen,' and Warner Home Video, a primary backer of HD-DVD, is issuing caution and keeping its plans tentative.

One of the primary concerns appears to be over a format war, which would confuse consumers and result in potentially sluggish sales and slower adoption rates to the new formats. "If there is a unification of formats, we would want to work toward that," said Jim Cardwell, president of Warner Home Video.

Supported launch or not, HD-DVD won't be aiming for the mainstream consumer when it arrives; the first players are expected to cost over $1,000. It's a wonder how Microsoft plans to eat the costs for that whenever it lands inside an Xbox 360.

 

[arod]

i want blueray but i think hd-dvd will win/