HD58xx already out

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: Janooo

It also is quite emblematic of Nvidia's inability to deliver even a G92 class part on 40nm. To bang that drum once again, if Nvidia has huge problems yielding ~100mm^2 and smaller dies on TSMC 40nm, what chance does it have of producing a >500mm^2 part? For the math averse, the answer is less than 1/25th the chance.

How many 40nm NV cards you can buy right now? What is a chance that 40nm GT300 will come out in November (3 months)?

Well, there may not be 40nm cards... But there are 40nm GPU's which are for integrating into laptops right now. So Nvidia has already dipped it's foot in 40nm for most of it's 200 series GPU's, except for the highest end ones. So it's very realistic that they could have a 40nm GT300 out by November.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: Janooo

It also is quite emblematic of Nvidia's inability to deliver even a G92 class part on 40nm. To bang that drum once again, if Nvidia has huge problems yielding ~100mm^2 and smaller dies on TSMC 40nm, what chance does it have of producing a >500mm^2 part? For the math averse, the answer is less than 1/25th the chance.

How many 40nm NV cards you can buy right now? What is a chance that 40nm GT300 will come out in November (3 months)?

Well, there may not be 40nm cards... But there are 40nm GPU's which are for integrating into laptops right now. So Nvidia has already dipped it's foot in 40nm for most of it's 200 series GPU's, except for the highest end ones. So it's very realistic that they could have a 40nm GT300 out by November.

It is not.
AMD did a demo a couple of month ago. Where is NV with their?
If NV plans to release in November we would have the same kind of leaks (maybe even more) as AMD had at the time in order to level the AMD hype.

It would be nice for consumers if NV had something in November but the chance of that happening goes down every day.

 

[KingstonU]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Well, there may not be 40nm cards... But there are 40nm GPU's which are for integrating into laptops right now. So Nvidia has already dipped it's foot in 40nm for most of it's 200 series GPU's, except for the highest end ones. So it's very realistic that they could have a 40nm GT300 out by November.

When did Nvidia release a 40nm card? The only 40nm desktop card released to date is the HD-4770... with respect to mobile cards, again I thought only AMD has achieved this, though I forget the GPU names.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: KingstonU

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Well, there may not be 40nm cards... But there are 40nm GPU's which are for integrating into laptops right now. So Nvidia has already dipped it's foot in 40nm for most of it's 200 series GPU's, except for the highest end ones. So it's very realistic that they could have a 40nm GT300 out by November.

When did Nvidia release a 40nm card? The only 40nm desktop card released to date is the HD-4770... with respect to mobile cards, again I thought only AMD has achieved this, though I forget the GPU names.

Read the first line.. I didn't say there were cards. Just GPU's, which are for mobile.

Look up the G 210m, GT 220m, GT 230m, GT 240m, GTS 250m, GTS 260m.

News report from over 2 month's ago:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/N...53+M54498cd5afc.0.html

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: Janooo

It also is quite emblematic of Nvidia's inability to deliver even a G92 class part on 40nm. To bang that drum once again, if Nvidia has huge problems yielding ~100mm^2 and smaller dies on TSMC 40nm, what chance does it have of producing a >500mm^2 part? For the math averse, the answer is less than 1/25th the chance.

How many 40nm NV cards you can buy right now? What is a chance that 40nm GT300 will come out in November (3 months)?

Well, there may not be 40nm cards... But there are 40nm GPU's which are for integrating into laptops right now. So Nvidia has already dipped it's foot in 40nm for most of it's 200 series GPU's, except for the highest end ones. So it's very realistic that they could have a 40nm GT300 out by November.

It is not.
AMD did a demo a couple of month ago. Where is NV with their?
If NV plans to release in November we would have the same kind of leaks (maybe even more) as AMD had at the time in order to level the AMD hype.

It would be nice for consumers if NV had something in November but the chance of that happening goes down every day.

Not really, November is a difference of around 2 months from ATI's paper launch. 2 month's ago there weren't any leaked shots or demonstrations. We'll most likely see some demo's from Nvidia a bit later this month, or at their developer conference in October.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
...
Well, there may not be 40nm cards... But there are 40nm GPU's which are for integrating into laptops right now. So Nvidia has already dipped it's foot in 40nm for most of it's 200 series GPU's, except for the highest end ones. So it's very realistic that they could have a 40nm GT300 out by November.

It is not.
AMD did a demo a couple of month ago. Where is NV with their?
If NV plans to release in November we would have the same kind of leaks (maybe even more) as AMD had at the time in order to level the AMD hype.

It would be nice for consumers if NV had something in November but the chance of that happening goes down every day.

Not really, November is a difference of around 2 months from ATI's paper launch. 2 month's ago there weren't any leaked shots or demonstrations. We'll most likely see some demo's from Nvidia a bit later this month, or at their developer conference in October.

My bad, you are right. It was ~3 months ago.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
...
Well, there may not be 40nm cards... But there are 40nm GPU's which are for integrating into laptops right now. So Nvidia has already dipped it's foot in 40nm for most of it's 200 series GPU's, except for the highest end ones. So it's very realistic that they could have a 40nm GT300 out by November.

It is not.
AMD did a demo a couple of month ago. Where is NV with their?
If NV plans to release in November we would have the same kind of leaks (maybe even more) as AMD had at the time in order to level the AMD hype.

It would be nice for consumers if NV had something in November but the chance of that happening goes down every day.

Not really, November is a difference of around 2 months from ATI's paper launch. 2 month's ago there weren't any leaked shots or demonstrations. We'll most likely see some demo's from Nvidia a bit later this month, or at their developer conference in October.

My bad, you are right. It was ~3 months ago.

Damn time flies. Meh, still, just because Nvidia hasn't shown it off yet doesn't mean it's going to be next year when they have some GT300 parts out.


Apparently Microsoft and Nvidia have been working closely on DX11, so it would seem pretty stupid of Nvidia to wait so long after the Windows 7 launch to get DX11 hardware out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP-_N2ngY1U

 

[KingstonU]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Look up the G 210m, GT 220m, GT 230m, GT 240m, GTS 250m, GTS 260m.

New report from over 2 month's ago:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/N...53+M54498cd5afc.0.html

Wow how did I miss news of this? Have these Nvidia 40nm chips reached retail products yet? (Can you buy a laptop today with one of these?)

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: KingstonU

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Look up the G 210m, GT 220m, GT 230m, GT 240m, GTS 250m, GTS 260m.

New report from over 2 month's ago:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/N...53+M54498cd5afc.0.html

Wow how did I miss news of this? Have these Nvidia 40nm chips reached retail products yet? (Can you buy a laptop today with one of these?)

On Newegg there are 4 laptops with GT 240m and 220m. Might be more out there on other sites.

240m
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...StoreType=&srchInDesc=

220m
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...StoreType=&srchInDesc=

 

[MODEL3]

http://www.techpowerup.com/103...t-Gen_Video_Cards.html


http://www.powercolor.com/eng/NewsInfo.asp?id=713

http://www.powercolor.com/Glob...XT_GEN_VIDEO_CARDS.pdf

Semi-official confirmation of 5870 at 299$ price? (a high end DirectX 11 next generation PowerColor graphics card!)

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: MODEL3
http://www.techpowerup.com/103...t-Gen_Video_Cards.html


http://www.powercolor.com/eng/NewsInfo.asp?id=713

http://www.powercolor.com/Glob...XT_GEN_VIDEO_CARDS.pdf

Semi-official confirmation of 5870 at 299$ price? (a high end DirectX 11 next generation PowerColor graphics card!)

Yeah, saw that yesterday. I'd take that as official. Powercooler has no reason to lie about the price of a product it's going to be selling soon.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Kakkoii

Originally posted by: Janooo

It also is quite emblematic of Nvidia's inability to deliver even a G92 class part on 40nm. To bang that drum once again, if Nvidia has huge problems yielding ~100mm^2 and smaller dies on TSMC 40nm, what chance does it have of producing a >500mm^2 part? For the math averse, the answer is less than 1/25th the chance.

How many 40nm NV cards you can buy right now? What is a chance that 40nm GT300 will come out in November (3 months)?

Well, there may not be 40nm cards... But there are 40nm GPU's which are for integrating into laptops right now. So Nvidia has already dipped it's foot in 40nm for most of it's 200 series GPU's, except for the highest end ones. So it's very realistic that they could have a 40nm GT300 out by November.

It is not.
AMD did a demo a couple of month ago. Where is NV with their?
If NV plans to release in November we would have the same kind of leaks (maybe even more) as AMD had at the time in order to level the AMD hype.

It would be nice for consumers if NV had something in November but the chance of that happening goes down every day.

Not really, November is a difference of around 2 months from ATI's paper launch. 2 month's ago there weren't any leaked shots or demonstrations. We'll most likely see some demo's from Nvidia a bit later this month, or at their developer conference in October.

I think there are being a lot of assumptions being thrown around here. Rumors are 9/24 launch with mass availability in October... October starts 7 days after launch, so we really don't know if it'll be a paper launch or stores will have mass amounts of parts with in a week.

We also don't know if Nnvidia will have parts out in November or if the parts won't be out until April... or somewhere in between.

And as has already been pointed out, AMD has been demoing working parts since some months ago now, I would think Nvidia would be doing the same if they could. <- Another assumption.

 

[Kakkoii]

Should have read down further before replying to me SlowSpyder. That discussion went a bit further...

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Kakkoii
Should have read down further before replying to me SlowSpyder. That discussion went a bit further...

I read the whole thing... just putting in my $.02. I'm still sticking to December for Nvidia if I were going to take a guess.

 

[Nathelion]

It seems probable that nVidia will scrape and scramble for all they are worth to get some cards on the market for christmas. Mass availability is another matter. ATI will probably have had time to ramp up their production by then, too.

 

[nemesismk2]

I also think Nvidia will release something in time for Xmas too but it will probably be another recycled series like the 9000 series was after the 8000 series etc.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

wow, to price like this they would need 1. a VERY significant performance boost, and 2. the knowledge that nvidia is very far behind in release schedule. It also wouldn't hurt if they were extremely confident in an actual performance advantage this time instead of just the price/performance lead.

I don't see that perfect storm coming together, but if it does rip competition and hello profits for amd.

Who knows, maybe AMD and NV agreed to a little price-fixing again to help boost their sagging ASPs? Wouldn't be the first time.

On a serious note, while TSMC would dare not give AMD any infos regarding another customer's products being fabbed, AMD does know the yields on their own 40nm chips and they (AMD) do employ the equivalent of rocket-scientists when it comes to yield analysis so it wouldn't take too many assumptions on AMD's part to rough-out a timeline envelope for NV's 40nm GPU's and maybe this has some input on AMD's pricing schedule.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

wow, to price like this they would need 1. a VERY significant performance boost, and 2. the knowledge that nvidia is very far behind in release schedule. It also wouldn't hurt if they were extremely confident in an actual performance advantage this time instead of just the price/performance lead.

I don't see that perfect storm coming together, but if it does rip competition and hello profits for amd.

Who knows, maybe AMD and NV agreed to a little price-fixing again to help boost their sagging ASPs? Wouldn't be the first time.

On a serious note, while TSMC would dare not give AMD any infos regarding another customer's products being fabbed, AMD does know the yields on their own 40nm chips and they (AMD) do employ the equivalent of rocket-scientists when it comes to yield analysis so it wouldn't take too many assumptions on AMD's part to rough-out a timeline envelope for NV's 40nm GPU's and maybe this has some input on AMD's pricing schedule.

Umm that was ATI and Nvidia, this is AMD. People need to get over the fact ATI is no longer.

 

[Forumpanda]

I do not really see the price of the x2 card as that significant (its $300x2 - still cheaper per chip) .. I always consider the x2 / gtx295 as the: 'here is a card no one will buy but it makes us look good in reviews' kind of product.
Current multi-GPU technology just doesn't seem to work all that well, unless this is something that will get 'fixed' eventually?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

wow, to price like this they would need 1. a VERY significant performance boost, and 2. the knowledge that nvidia is very far behind in release schedule. It also wouldn't hurt if they were extremely confident in an actual performance advantage this time instead of just the price/performance lead.

I don't see that perfect storm coming together, but if it does rip competition and hello profits for amd.

Who knows, maybe AMD and NV agreed to a little price-fixing again to help boost their sagging ASPs? Wouldn't be the first time.

On a serious note, while TSMC would dare not give AMD any infos regarding another customer's products being fabbed, AMD does know the yields on their own 40nm chips and they (AMD) do employ the equivalent of rocket-scientists when it comes to yield analysis so it wouldn't take too many assumptions on AMD's part to rough-out a timeline envelope for NV's 40nm GPU's and maybe this has some input on AMD's pricing schedule.

Umm that was ATI and Nvidia, this is AMD. People need to get over the fact ATI is no longer.

Do you know why folks use the phrase On a serious note as a segue to further conversation after making some somewhat intentionally absurd comments?

 

[faxon]

Originally posted by: Forumpanda
I do not really see the price of the x2 card as that significant (its $300x2 - still cheaper per chip) .. I always consider the x2 / gtx295 as the: 'here is a card no one will buy but it makes us look good in reviews' kind of product.
Current multi-GPU technology just doesn't seem to work all that well, unless this is something that will get 'fixed' eventually?

multigpu single card solutions generally work better than dual card, better scaling better drivers ect...

given where my performance is currently, i dont see any reason not to get a 5870x2 at launch based on my budget. hell, if it works the same with the 5870x2 + 5870 the same way it did with 4870x2 + 4870 i may even look into popping a 5870 in later on around christmas as well once the prices drop lol

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Janooo
... and we have some pricing info from BSN.

The top dog carries the name Radeon HD 5870X2, and we are talking about single-PCB, dual-GPU card that will retail for cool $599. This is still $50 cheaper than GTX280 at the time of its debut [do you remember the outrageous $649?], but bear in mind that this is a top dog part.

For some odd reason, the $499 bracket will remain without a card. We expect that slot will be filled with a water-cooled edition of 5870, or more likely - 5870X2 once that nVidia launches their competing products. Afore mentioned Radeon HD 5870 is set to go on sale for $379-399, while the cheapest entry into the 5800 series, the Radeon HD 5850 is priced in the $279-299 bracket.

I hope the performance is there for the money.

wow, to price like this they would need 1. a VERY significant performance boost, and 2. the knowledge that nvidia is very far behind in release schedule. It also wouldn't hurt if they were extremely confident in an actual performance advantage this time instead of just the price/performance lead.

I don't see that perfect storm coming together, but if it does rip competition and hello profits for amd.

Who knows, maybe AMD and NV agreed to a little price-fixing again to help boost their sagging ASPs? Wouldn't be the first time.

On a serious note, while TSMC would dare not give AMD any infos regarding another customer's products being fabbed, AMD does know the yields on their own 40nm chips and they (AMD) do employ the equivalent of rocket-scientists when it comes to yield analysis so it wouldn't take too many assumptions on AMD's part to rough-out a timeline envelope for NV's 40nm GPU's and maybe this has some input on AMD's pricing schedule.

Umm that was ATI and Nvidia, this is AMD. People need to get over the fact ATI is no longer.

AMD is no saint. You never know.