HDCP LCD MONITORS

[8steve8]

hdcp monitors:

samsung 244t 1920x1200
gateway 21" 1680x1050
viewsonic VP231wb 1920x1200
samsung 242mp 1920x1200
westinhouse 37" 1920x1080
sceptre 37" 1920x1080
sceptre 20" 1680x1050

im only counting ones that are at least partially marketed as a monitor... not just a tv...


note
1080p is 1920x1080...
720p is 1280x720

so having a resolution like 1680x1050 is just not ideal for that type of content.
ull have to watch it streatched or occupying a small part of the screen in the case of 720p or ull be missing part of the picture in the case of 1080p... either way not very fun.


also mentioned in this thread:
Viewsonic N2750w 1280x720
westinghouse 32" 1366x768

im really not interesed in these lower resolution monitors, as they are not displays for pcs.

 

[w00t]

nice, a list on all of them the only ones i knew were the samsung 244t and gateway 21''

I really dont think that HDCP is going to fall through though even if it does its going to be hacked for sure.

 

[Rage187]

Westinghouse 32" LCD 1366x768, 720P

HDCP over DVI.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: w00t
nice, a list on all of them the only ones i knew were the samsung 244t and gateway 21''

I really dont think that HDCP is going to fall through though even if it does its going to be hacked for sure.

It's already been hacked. There are some German techies who manufacture a HDCP-compliant arbiter box that allows a user to use a normal DVI monitor. Of course it's not legal to buy in the US...

 

[rbV5]

so having a resolution like 1680x1050 is just not ideal for that type of content.

Note that 1680x1050 is the same aspect ratio as 1920x1200.

I'm using a Viewsonic N2750w. 27" 720p native with HDCP DVI.

im only counting ones that are at least partially marketed as a monitor... not just a tv...

Why?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: w00t
nice, a list on all of them the only ones i knew were the samsung 244t and gateway 21''

I really dont think that HDCP is going to fall through though even if it does its going to be hacked for sure.

It's already been hacked. There are some German techies who manufacture a HDCP-compliant arbiter box that allows a user to use a normal DVI monitor. Of course it's not legal to buy in the US...

Also, it will almost certainly stop working as soon as HD-DVD players are released and they start updating the 'unsafe devices' list. HDCP is a lot more secure than most people seem to think it is.

 

[IronMentality]

So HDCP will be a new type of input that replaces DVI? Is it going to be a higher quality hook-up?

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: 8steve8
note
1080p is 1920x1080...
720p is 1280x720

so having a resolution like 1680x1050 is just not ideal for that type of content.
ull have to watch it streatched or occupying a small part of the screen in the case of 720p or ull be missing part of the picture in the case of 1080p... either way not very fun.

Not sure I agree. Scaling down doesn't hurt image quality much, as long as you keep aspect ratio and the scaler doesn't suck. After all, all you've got to do is _discard_ information, not interpolate it.

As for upscaling, it has the potential to introduce more artifacts, but, again, with a good scaler and keeping aspect ratio, you should still be good. Ever seen a DVD on 2005FPW? It looks pretty nice, to say the least.

-Erwos

 

[Arcanedeath]

HDCP stands for High def. copy protection and its something that encrypts a digital signal like DVI or HDMI it's not an actual connection type.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

What I can't figure out is how there is a list of six monitors that support HDCP (and about 20 million that don't, LOL, and the HDCP requirement is less than a year away. What in the Silicon Goddess Sandica is going on here? Is everyone going to have to plop down a monitor upgrade (even if they have DVI inputs) to get Vista (the Apple equivalent) and a HD/Blue Ray DVD player? That is insane and the deafening sound of silence in the Vista/Apple sales with HD DVD's will maybe give them a clue to the insanity of this interface. Ridiculous, but what do we expect with DRM.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
What I can't figure out is how there is a list of six monitors that support HDCP (and about 20 million that don't, LOL, and the HDCP requirement is less than a year away. What in the Silicon Goddess Sandica is going on here? Is everyone going to have to plop down a monitor upgrade (even if they have DVI inputs) to get Vista (the Apple equivalent) and a HD/Blue Ray DVD player? That is insane and the deafening sound of silence in the Vista/Apple sales with HD DVD's will maybe give them a clue to the insanity of this interface. Ridiculous, but what do we expect with DRM.

Almost every HDTV with DVI/HDMI supports HDCP. LCD computer monitors have been lagging behind in picking up support for it, probably because of licensing costs/restrictions. That, and there's almost nothing using it right now other than digital cable boxes. It's not needed at all for PC applications.

You only need an HDCP monitor if you want to watch HD-DVD/Blu-Ray discs in HD on your computer.

 

[8steve8]

Originally posted by: rbV5

I'm using a Viewsonic N2750w. 27" 720p native with HDCP DVI.

i dont really get the n2750w, viewsonic says its native resolution is 1280x720, but it says the optimum pc resolution is 1280x1024... how does an lcd with 720 horizontal lines display 1024 horizontal lines?
i mean does it interpolate/? thats gotta suck.

im only counting ones that are at least partially marketed as a monitor... not just a tv...

Why?

because my purpose is to get a list of lcds for computers, not lcds to be used as tv's, there are already so many hdcp tv's. the main difference is the resolution, and/or pixel density.

 

[8steve8]

Originally posted by: erwos
Scaling down doesn't hurt image quality much

if ur trying to display 1080p on a 1680x1050 screen ur gunna have to discard lots of info, but its not like the ratio is 2:1... for example, if u have a photo 100 pixels wide, and u wanna display it at 50 pixels wide, u simply discard every other pixel...
if u instead wanna display it at 59 pixels wide, what pixels do you discard???????? can u do it without making it look distorted?do u instead take moving averages of pixels and create a new image to fill in th 59 pixels? ??

anyway even if it was 2:1 ur still throwing away alot of information, loosing definition... if you dont think that matters, then u might as well not have hdcp, just watch it in the non-hi-def modes that get outputed to non-hdcp monitors.

 

[rbV5]

i dont really get the n2750w, viewsonic says its native resolution is 1280x720, but it says the optimum pc resolution is 1280x1024... how does an lcd with 720 horizontal lines display 1024 horizontal lines?i mean does it interpolate/? thats gotta suck.

Obviously thats incorrect. I can verify that 1280x720 is infact the "optimal" resolution for PC's from my own brief testing despite what they may say.

because my purpose is to get a list of lcds for computers, not lcds to be used as tv's, there are already so many hdcp tv's. the main difference is the resolution, and/or pixel density.

Then why not base it on "specs" like connectivety, resolution, and/or pixel density instead of marketing?

 

[8steve8]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Then why not base it on "specs" like connectivety, resolution, and/or pixel density instead of marketing?

well theres almost a direct correlation between what market they are targeting and pixel density/resolution...

widescreen with 1680+ vertical lines are generally well suited for pcs... thats why i listed the westinghouse and sceptre 1080p native..

 

[8steve8]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Obviously thats incorrect. I can verify that 1280x720 is infact the "optimal" resolution for PC's from my own brief testing despite what they may say.

thats what i expected, but the spec sheet refers to 1280x1024 in 2 different places...
good to know though, so its a true 720p native lcd.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: 8steve8

Originally posted by: rbV5
Then why not base it on "specs" like connectivety, resolution, and/or pixel density instead of marketing?

well theres almost a direct correlation between what market they are targeting and pixel density/resolution...

widescreen with 1680+ vertical lines are generally well suited for pcs... thats why i listed the westinghouse and sceptre 1080p native..

Hey, its your list I guess.

 

[dopefish21]

Originally posted by: rbV5

i dont really get the n2750w, viewsonic says its native resolution is 1280x720, but it says the optimum pc resolution is 1280x1024... how does an lcd with 720 horizontal lines display 1024 horizontal lines?i mean does it interpolate/? thats gotta suck.

Obviously thats incorrect. I can verify that 1280x720 is infact the "optimal" resolution for PC's from my own brief testing despite what they may say.

because my purpose is to get a list of lcds for computers, not lcds to be used as tv's, there are already so many hdcp tv's. the main difference is the resolution, and/or pixel density.

Then why not base it on "specs" like connectivety, resolution, and/or pixel density instead of marketing?

I have this monitor.

I confirm that 1280 X 720 is the optimal resultion. 1280 X 1024 is supported and looks good, but not much. 1280 X 720 is superb, top notch.

 

[Dman877]

Is HDCP independant of the connector? Can you have a monitor with a normal dvi input that is HDCP compliant? Or is there a new connector involved...

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Dman877
Is HDCP independant of the connector? Can you have a monitor with a normal dvi input that is HDCP compliant? Or is there a new connector involved...

HDCP is completely independent of the connector; it is a transport-level end-to-end encryption protocol. You can run HDCP over DVI, or even Firewire.

HDMI is DVI combined with surround sound in a single connection, and is widely being installed on newer HDTVs and receivers. Devices with HDMI usually (but not always) support HDCP, which is maybe where some of the confusion is coming from.

 

[8steve8]

so is this list complete? there arent any other hi-res displays with hdcp?

 

[h7o]

So HDCP is becoming a purchasing factor. I don't blame op though, I believe HDCP will take off once blu-ray/hd-dvd content is released. Consumers will buy HDTVs in droves and they won't care about fair use.

It's really sad how Microsoft wants to do this. Too bad their monopoly can't be used in better ways.

 

[8steve8]

microsoft only wants to do it because its the only legit way for ppl to use windows with next gen dvd formats to view HD content from hollywood.... its either support it, or make ppl leave their pc to watch movies... which is the last thing microsoft wants to do...
imagine if u could watch next gen dvds on a mac, and not on windows... do you think microsoft would like that?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: 8steve8
microsoft only wants to do it because its the only legit way for ppl to use windows with next gen dvd formats to view HD content from hollywood.... its either support it, or make ppl leave their pc to watch movies... which is the last thing microsoft wants to do...
imagine if u could watch next gen dvds on a mac, and not on windows... do you think microsoft would like that?

I also find it amusing that people are bashing Microsoft and Vista when Apple and probably Linux will have the same protocols.

 

[Chadder007]

I give it 1 month before HDCP is cracked once either Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is avail.