HDD prices

[GoStumpy]

I'm not. This PC now can't even stream 50% of YouTube videos smoothly (5fps; 100% CPU) or HD movies on HDD. So games are out the question to install just like most more powerful software.

That does not sound like a HDD issue to me

 

[Dird]

i use a 250gb hdd and it took me 5 years to fill it up

With a name like Yamamoto you're missing out on a lot of quality japanese movies

That does not sound like a HDD issue to me

Yea, the point is that my PC can't even run YouTube and FireFox can't cope after a while. So if my PC was as capable as I'd want it I wouldn't have the space to install Oracle/MySQL/QuakeLive/StarCraft 2/however many other games

 

[exdeath]

Meh, if it takes 5 mins to load things and stutters and hitches and hangs throwing up hourglasses all the time loading off a glorified cassette tape, I wouldn't want to use such a PC anyway, so irrelevant if it has 3 TB of space to install everything. Computers were invented to be faster than me, not to make my want to hang myself every time the HDD light goes solid. HDDs were obsolete the day CPUs exceeded 1 MHz.

Cannot wait to see the state of the storage industry in 5 years; perhaps mechanized storage will be extinct and "KB/sec" and "MB/sec" will finally be dropped from IT lexicon.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

It's pretty crazy how the flood shot HDD prices through the roof. I picked up 2x 2TB Hitachi 5900rpm drives for my NAS for $60 bucks each from newegg a few months before the flood. The same 2TB HDD now is over twice that much ($150 + $7 shipping) on newegg! I should wipe them and ebay them....

Amazon has been killing Newegg on HDD prices lately. Be sure to check them out if you're shopping. For example, the WD5000AAKX is $80 on Amazon and $108 on Newegg right now. The WD10EALX is $109 on Amazon and $148 on Newegg.

I wouldn't doubt HDD manufacturers are riding out the "flooding caused prices to go up" wave for as long as possible

Pun intended?

 

[bryanW1995]

Take at as a blessing like me that you are disciplined to conserve space and use that to go exclusively SSD.

I've limited myself to the smallest capacity drives since the first generation Cheetah X15s were only 18 GB so I'm just naturally used to it. Even though I have an array with 960GB, it's only for speed, I don't even use 100 GB of it.

If you are a hoarder that should be on a digital version of "Hoarding: Burried Alive" just get an external USB3 or eSATA 6G drive for archive/backup.

HDDs can join 8 tracks and VHS tapes in hell.

My wife takes 20k + pictures per year and does a lot of digital scrapbooking, part of my responsibility is keeper them backed up in multiple locations. Call it hoarding or whatever else you want, but having multiple tb of storage is a very high priority to me. And I already have a 3 tb and a 1tb external drive.

 

[aigomorla]

My wife takes 20k + pictures per year and does a lot of digital scrapbooking, part of my responsibility is keeper them backed up in multiple locations. Call it hoarding or whatever else you want, but having multiple tb of storage is a very high priority to me. And I already have a 3 tb and a 1tb external drive.

lol....

i need to look at getting another 8TB jbod to back up my 8TB Raid5 array...

It looks like i wont get my redundant backup for a very long time ...

I'm waiting for the next excuse to jack RAM prices back up.

^ i am gonna blame OCZ when this happens... yeah i know they stop making ram... but... i just got comfortable blaming them for everything that is RAM related...

 

[bryanW1995]

lol....

i need to look at getting another 8TB jbod to back up my 8TB Raid5 array...

It looks like i wont get my redundant backup for a very long time ...

^ i am gonna blame OCZ when this happens... yeah i know they stop making ram... but... i just got comfortable blaming them for everything that is RAM related...

I understand, I still blame hector ruiz for anything that AMD screws up these days.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

I understand, I still blame hector ruiz for anything that AMD screws up these days.

Bulldozer. Lol

 

[monkeydelmagico]

Amazon has been killing Newegg on HDD prices lately. Be sure to check them out if you're shopping. For example, the WD5000AAKX is $80 on Amazon and $108 on Newegg right now. The WD10EALX is $109 on Amazon and $148 on Newegg.

Good tip thank you. The only thing that is going to bring the prices back to "normal" is vendor's hungry for sales volume. Way to go Amazon! :thumbsup: Boo Hiss on Newegg :thumbsdown:

 

[bryanW1995]

On most items most of the time newegg is pretty price-competitive, but anytime there is a major shortage or high demand then their pricing algorithm is set to start increasing the price so that they don't run out of the item.

 

[aigomorla]

man dont get me started on newegg.

Lately, i think there a bit too inflated.
The prices havent been deals anymore.

Also i bet you totally they are controlling the hard drive market.
It was stated that the shortages arent really shortages as thought, and more suppliers holding inventory out of greed so they can hike up the prices.

In all this is a very risky gamble for the magnetic hard drive market.
New system builders now dont have a price benifit on going magnetic and will allow them to try out SSD's for the first time as boot drives.

This will make them SSD addicts like i and many others are who already are on SSD's, and totally make magnetic only used for storage purposes.

Who wants a uber fast 10k rpm magnetic when you can get a SSD which will spank that backwards silly in speed if its not storage related.

And who is going to need the uber fast high capacity magnetic when your going on storage.

Has anyone had any latency issues streaming anything off a 5900rpm drive over a 7200rpm drive?

-quick answer... no... so no one will even bother to look at a 7200rpm anymore because if one needed speed, they would be looking at SSD's.

So if HDD vendors dont act quickly and shape up, i sense they are in a world of hurting to come soon, when people just wont bother with ultra fast magnetic hard drives, which typically cost the most.

 

[bryanW1995]

It's interesting to look at msrp on the latest velociraptors, the 600 gb one is $.5/gb. 240 gb ssd's can be had every day for about $1.20/gb. I just don't see a market for performance hdds in the long run. I wonder when wd will start experimenting with hybrids ala the momentous xt?

 

[exdeath]

man dont get me started on newegg.

Lately, i think there a bit too inflated.
The prices havent been deals anymore.

Also i bet you totally they are controlling the hard drive market.
It was stated that the shortages arent really shortages as thought, and more suppliers holding inventory out of greed so they can hike up the prices.

In all this is a very risky gamble for the magnetic hard drive market.
New system builders now dont have a price benifit on going magnetic and will allow them to try out SSD's for the first time as boot drives.

This will make them SSD addicts like i and many others are who already are on SSD's, and totally make magnetic only used for storage purposes.

Who wants a uber fast 10k rpm magnetic when you can get a SSD which will spank that backwards silly in speed if its not storage related.

And who is going to need the uber fast high capacity magnetic when your going on storage.

Has anyone had any latency issues streaming anything off a 5900rpm drive over a 7200rpm drive?

-quick answer... no... so no one will even bother to look at a 7200rpm anymore because if one needed speed, they would be looking at SSD's.

So if HDD vendors dont act quickly and shape up, i sense they are in a world of hurting to come soon, when people just wont bother with ultra fast magnetic hard drives, which typically cost the most.

Even for storage they are still terrible. Have you ever actually stored or retrieved 2 TB of data to/from a 2 TB drive? It still takes over 5 hours at the maximum mechanical speed for SEQUENTIAL... god help you if they are lots of little files like source code, etc. Meanwhile I can backup/restore my entire 960 GB of SSD in about 8 minutes; if it was 2 TB it would STILL be only 8 minutes to move 1920 GB of data. I could fill and erase my SSD over 40 times in the time it takes the HDD to complete one transfer.

HDD = Horrible Data Delays

That's the thing with SSDs, massive parallelism. Speed scales with capacity so throughtput relative to capacity stays the same whether it's moving 240 GB off one drive at 500 M/sec or moving 1920 GB of data off 8 x 240 GB RAID0 drives at 4,000 M/sec, 8 minutes flat either way. Meanwhile hard drives, you're stuck at .1 GB/sec regardless if you have a 1 GB HDD or a 10 TB HDD; in other words HDD get SLOWER with respect to total storage capacity as they get larger. As data size increases and HDD capacity increases, it just takes longer and longer to manipulate that data at "dial up" speeds. You're now moving 2,000,000 MB at the same speed you used to only have to move 100 MB with.

Cannot wait for the day that mechanical media is no longer manufactured. Measuring anything in "megabytes per second" anymore reminds me of dial up or doing punch cards by hand. Tape and disk can DIAF.

My only gripe with SSDs now is that they are only good if you have OTHER SSDs to transfer data between. Fastest SSD in the world won't do any good when you still have to install software off a CD at 10 bits per hour or even have a 5 MB/sec generic thumb drive. I'm so spoiled by SSD that my 120 MB/sec 64 GB Supersonic flash drive feels too slow Time to get a USB 3.0/eSATA 6G 2.5" ext enclosure with a 3rd/4th gen SSD in it.... just to take it to other people's computers that still use USB 2.slow and "8 tracks" for primary data storage.

 

[Gillbot]

I'll take hours and hours of transfer over the outrageous price of SSD's.

 

[Avalon]

Was buying 1TB Samsung F3s for $50 before the prices jumped due to the floor. I'd say on average a very good 1TB drive would be $70-80. Now, I have no idea.

 

[Subyman]

I paid 64 dollars for a 1TB Green Drive from Seagate a month before the flood at Best Buy of all places. So, yes they have a long way to drop!

 

[alfa147x]

Grrr gonna need a few HDDs soon.

 

[MrTeal]

Speed scales with capacity so throughtput relative to capacity stays the same whether it's moving 240 GB off one drive at 500 M/sec or moving 1920 GB of data off 8 x 240 GB RAID0 drives at 4,000 M/sec, 8 minutes flat either way. Meanwhile hard drives, you're stuck at .1 GB/sec regardless if you have a 1 GB HDD or a 10 TB HDD; in other words HDD get SLOWER with respect to total storage capacity as they get larger.

I'm pretty sure if you had 8 1TB drives in RAID0 sequential speeds would improve tremendously. Unless you're asserting that eight 240GB drives in RAID0 should be compared to a single 10TB drive?

 

[groberts101]

I'm pretty sure if you had 8 1TB drives in RAID0 sequential speeds would improve tremendously.

I know that they do for a fact.

and to keep saying that you wish HDD would just "go away" is pure silly.

May as well wish that HD video size will shrink to 1/10 its size and games will become kb's in size again. Won't even get into the size of todays mega-mega-pixel camera file sizes and the archives they quickly fill up. There's a definate space/need for large HDD until the SSD capacity catches up to the data size requirements.

That ain't happening anytime soon as the data set grows almost as quickly as SSD does.

 

[exdeath]

Spend $8 on a BRD once in a while and you wouldn't need to pirate them and have a need for a billion TB of space. Everyone I've ever met that needed that much space was because they had libraries of ripped movies.

I deleted all my ripped and pirated stuff and now my entire data set fits in 100GB, allowing me to keep even my life's data archive on a SSD.

Seriously a 2 TB drive is like 50 2hr HD 1080 movies, I don't buy any other reason to need that kind of capacity outside of a data center.

But then again I've prioritized speed over capacity since day one, and don't hoard anything I can re-download or re-rip.

Don't mean to be an ass and tell other people what they need, but a I'm seriously depressed at our crappy 1950s hamstrung technology as a species. Demand for higher capacity dino drives is partly responsible for making SSD niche and too slow to go mainstream and IS in fact a lot of careless hoarding. I want to see them adopted faster (since I have to work on them all day and want to hang myself waiting 5 minutes for computer management to open, which costs me productivity and money) and people "needing 100 TB" is preventing that even when cost is no object. Developers too aren't helping with their bloated Java email clients that take up gigs of space and make everybody dependant on higher capacity dino drives to do the same thing we did when 2GB HDDs were new.

I won't be happy until the memory gap is destroyed with a vengeance and we can finally move on to the next revolutionary era of computing not limited to 19th century data rates. Seriously I can THROW an HDD across the street and transfer 2TB in half a second, why is the average computer, which can do 10 billion ops per second or more, still hamstrung by 1 MB/sec random access still in the 21s century? Sickening. Like 20,000 songs on an iPod on random shuffle....from a cassette tape... frustrating.

 

[alfa147x]

Spend $8 on a BRD once in a while and you wouldn't need to pirate them and have a need for a billion TB of space. Everyone I've ever met that needed that much space was because they had libraries of ripped movies.

I deleted all my ripped and pirated stuff and now my entire data set fits in 100GB, allowing me to keep even my life's data archive on a SSD.

My ripped physical media would easily kill 2 tb.

 

[MrTeal]

So, your solution to needing slow HDDs to store movies on is to keep them on BluRay? No offense, but that's hardly a superior solution. I definitely don't have a huge media hoard compared to many people, but I do have enough stuff that it would be very inconvenient and expensive to move it to physical media.

I would love to have 1TB of SSD space, but it's not practical for the vast majority of people to spend well over $1000 on a storage system when they could just buy a 1TB drive for $100. Even if it was, I would still want a mechanical drive to back it up onto. If you have the cash go for it, but 99% of people would be better served with a SSD boot drive, a HDD storage drive and either pocketing the rest or investing it elsewhere in the rig than buying 240+GB SSDs for the occasional time the have to move it all at once.

 

[exdeath]

So, your solution to needing slow HDDs to store movies on is to keep them on BluRay? No offense, but that's hardly a superior solution. I definitely don't have a huge media hoard compared to many people, but I do have enough stuff that it would be very inconvenient and expensive to move it to physical media.

I would love to have 1TB of SSD space, but it's not practical for the vast majority of people to spend well over $1000 on a storage system when they could just buy a 1TB drive for $100. Even if it was, I would still want a mechanical drive to back it up onto. If you have the cash go for it, but 99% of people would be better served with a SSD boot drive, a HDD storage drive and either pocketing the rest or investing it elsewhere in the rig than buying 240+GB SSDs for the occasional time the have to move it all at once.

Oh I know...maybe I wasn't understood. What I mean saying I can't wait for mechanical drives to not be produced anymore is because at that time solid state in one form or another (preferably high capacity non volatile main memories) would be evolved to deliver equal price and capacity and superior speed, making mechanical obsolete in every way. Cannot come soon enough.

 

[alfa147x]

Oh I know...maybe I wasn't understood. What I mean saying I can't wait for mechanical drives to not be produced anymore is because at that time solid state in one form or another (preferably high capacity non volatile main memories) would be evolved to deliver equal price and capacity and superior speed, making mechanical obsolete in every way. Cannot come soon enough.

Oh I see! Yeah that will be pretty awesome. Think of the durability!

 

[bryanW1995]

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I deleted all my ripped and pirated stuff and now my entire data set fits in 100GB, allowing me to keep even my life's data archive on a SSD.
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Ah, I get it now. You only needed large hdd's in the past b/c you are a thief. Now that you've given up your law-breaking ways and decided to become an honest citizen, anybody else who needs a large hdd must therefore also steal things from other people. That makes sense.