HDMI 2.0 is pointless

[Black Octagon]

I'm still lost as to why HDMI 2.0 is pointless...

It's not. The OP (plus a couple others) are being melodramatic and/or unreasonable in their expectations

 

[Shehriazad]

It's not. The OP (plus a couple others) are being melodramatic and/or unreasonable in their expectations

Yea, I agree...how unreasonable of people to expect that HDMI doesn't always lack behind DP for like a year. How could they dare to expect such a thing. Pfff, feeling vintage is part of the HDMI experience! I totally agree.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I haven't use HDMI for my PC since 2012. And this is with 3 x 1440p Monitors running on the same card.

 

[13Gigatons]

Yea, I agree...how unreasonable of people to expect that HDMI doesn't always lack behind DP for like a year. How could they dare to expect such a thing. Pfff, feeling vintage is part of the HDMI experience! I totally agree.

The part that really sucked is for all the people who bought 4K TV's with HDMI 1.4 and they can't be upgraded to 2.0 so they are stuck with 30hz.

 

[KaRLiToS]

The part that really sucked is for all the people who bought 4K TV's with HDMI 1.4 and they can't be upgraded to 2.0 so they are stuck with 30hz.

A good consumer is a well informed consumer. It's their mistakes, not HDMI.

 

[Black Octagon]

Yea, I agree...how unreasonable of people to expect that HDMI doesn't always lack behind DP for like a year. How could they dare to expect such a thing. Pfff, feeling vintage is part of the HDMI experience! I totally agree.

While I was indeed thinking of you when I referred to "melodramatic" posters, I was thinking of others (like therealnickdanger) when referring to "unrealistic expectations"

For what it's worth: I happen to agree with several (though certainly not all) things you have posted. I'd give your points far more consideration overall, though, if you posted more calm and thought-out arguments. Calling HDMI "cancer," for instance, is not going to convince anyone but those who already happen to share that view.

 

[bystander36]

Yea, I agree...how unreasonable of people to expect that HDMI doesn't always lack behind DP for like a year. How could they dare to expect such a thing. Pfff, feeling vintage is part of the HDMI experience! I totally agree.

HDMI is a TV spec. DP is a PC spec. It is that simple. PC users ask for far more from their displays than TV users.

 

[EliteRetard]

HDMI and DP are both inferior, so you guys are all wrong

We need SuperMHL 8k@120Hz:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8843/...upermhl-new-standard-new-cable-to-drive-8k-tv

 

[13Gigatons]

HDMI and DP are both inferior, so you guys are all wrong

We need SuperMHL 8k@120Hz:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8843/...upermhl-new-standard-new-cable-to-drive-8k-tv

This is what HDMI 2.0 should have been.

 

[Black Octagon]

SuperMHL was announced last month. HDMI 2.0 was released in September 2013, i.e., some 15 months ago.

4k displays that support 120Hz are a ways off. 8k displays that support 120Hz are even further off. You guys are comparing apples with oranges, and even if you weren't, the fact that SuperMHL is awesome does NOT make HDMI 2.0 "pointless." Please try to stay on-topic

 

[Z15CAM]

I like Dvi-D. At least we can coax some IPS 1440p 4K Displays beyond 60Hz.

 

[alcoholbob]

The part that really sucked is for all the people who bought 4K TV's with HDMI 1.4 and they can't be upgraded to 2.0 so they are stuck with 30hz.

And the people who are currently buying 4K TVs who are going to be locked out of 4K Blu Ray. Lmao.

 

[EliteRetard]

SuperMHL was announced last month. HDMI 2.0 was released in September 2013, i.e., some 15 months ago.

4k displays that support 120Hz are a ways off. 8k displays that support 120Hz are even further off. You guys are comparing apples with oranges, and even if you weren't, the fact that SuperMHL is awesome does NOT make HDMI 2.0 "pointless." Please try to stay on-topic

Well yeah, SuperMHL can work with HDMI ports so in that sense they aren't useless...just massively gimped. Hopefully though every device everywhere will now default to SuperMHL output and we can simply hook it up to whatever we want.

Personally, I think powering a 4x4 array of 120hz 1080p displays with a single cable is the shizzle. Eyefinity here I come.

 

[ultimatebob]

HDMI and DP are both inferior, so you guys are all wrong

We need SuperMHL 8k@120Hz:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8843/...upermhl-new-standard-new-cable-to-drive-8k-tv

Great, just what we need. Another competing standard. This reminds me of this XKCD cartoon:

I love the idea of EVERYTHING going over USB 3. Power, networking, video, and data. One cable to rule them all. Make it happen, Apple.

 

[EightySix Four]

Great, just what we need. Another competing standard. This reminds me of this XKCD cartoon:

I love the idea of EVERYTHING going over USB 3. Power, networking, video, and data. One cable to rule them all. Make it happen, Apple.

So you're asking for Thunderbolt?

 

[ultimatebob]

So you're asking for Thunderbolt?

Yeah, except that Thunderbolt failed to gain traction. I'm hoping that USB 3 type C will do better.

 

[Black Octagon]

I love the idea of EVERYTHING going over USB 3. Power, networking, video, and data. One cable to rule them all. Make it happen, Apple.

Why Apple?

And I assume you mean USB 3.1

 

[tential]

Why Apple?

And I assume you mean USB 3.1

Apple is a trend setter. Unless apple does it it doesn't become popular. Smartphones, Tablets, etc. we're around before Apple. Apple brought them main stream. Same with mp3 players. Apple will be the one that brings the smart watch main stream as well probably.

Not saying Apple will bring this standard forward (I think apple is far more influential with new tech than it is with new "cabling standards") though.

If Apple were to bring out USB 3.1, you can guarantee people will have USB 3.1 on their "new" devices after Apple does it so they can check off that feature check box.

 

[ultimatebob]

Why Apple?

And I assume you mean USB 3.1

Apple has a habit of building "legacy free" products and forcing users to upgrade to new standards.

It certainly helped with USB adoption, anyway. Before the original iMac, most PC's still had Parallel ports and PS/2 ports for the keyboard and mouse.

 

[Valantar]

Apple is a trend setter.

For new tech product categories, sure. Connectivity standards? Not so much. They tend to support expensive, closed standards. Or are you thinking of some massive surge of firewire, thunderbolt, mini dvi or mini displayport usage that I've missed?

(Edit: of course I'm aware that not all of these are closed standards, but I hope my point still comes across)

 

[cmdrdredd]

For new tech product categories, sure. Connectivity standards? Not so much. They tend to support expensive, closed standards. Or are you thinking of some massive surge of firewire, thunderbolt, mini dvi or mini displayport usage that I've missed?

(Edit: of course I'm aware that not all of these are closed standards, but I hope my point still comes across)

Yeah I remember when they first put FireWire in a system and tried to sell it as being faster than usb etc. the question was though, what devices make use of it? At the time I think there were only a few video cameras or something. Yeah it's fast but almost nobody could make use of it.

 

[exar333]

I don't think HDMI is going anywhere soon. Maybe superMHL will make some inroads when 8K is here, but for the next 3-4 years, HDMI is King from a 'living room' perspective.

Personally, I have pretty much used DP for the last 3-4 years (since the Dell U2412 released) and it has been great. DP works great from a computer display standpoint and we have both full-size and mDP connectors....

DVI and VGA are both connectors that really should go away. VGA is still around somewhat for cheaper MBs, but definitely not too much. With DP/HDMI options, DVI hopefully will go the way of the dodo eventually. Moving to these two options, both with mini connectors that have a MUCH smaller footprint on the card bracket, will only help compatibility.

 

[destrekor]

Yeah I remember when they first put FireWire in a system and tried to sell it as being faster than usb etc. the question was though, what devices make use of it? At the time I think there were only a few video cameras or something. Yeah it's fast but almost nobody could make use of it.

This all depends on your market and point of view.

FireWire was extensive throughout the professional audio and video scene. Especially FireWire 800 that trumped everything USB had to offer at the time.

It didn't have much use in the consumer space because, well frankly, most consumer devices had not needed the transfer speed at the time FW was prominent. It reached a major level of prominence in the professional or prosumer entirely due to Apple, as much of that market used, and still uses, OS X for production and design. (There are good reasons for this, I have come to find out, which is why I now use and like both OS X and Windows - different strengths)

For the majority of consumers, there just wasn't a need. Same with Thunderbolt at the moment, there isn't really a significant need, but I strongly suspect that will be changing in time. Even AMD and Texas Instruments (both in VESA) developed a Thunderbolt competitor aimed chiefly at one of the primary benefits of Thunderbolt: one cable from laptop to a permanent docking-station or similar multi-peripheral setup. Thunderbolt can carry DP, USB, etc. I don't suspect, outside of docking setup, that it is of much benefit on the desktop, unless you want to connect a large SSD-based RAID array directly to your system instead of the network, which is likely the only case where the bandwidth of Thunderbolt will be useful.

Unless you want to have your desktop in one place, and for tidy cable management purposes, you wish to have all your peripherals either connected to a Thunderbolt-enabled monitor, or to a dock-type breakout box tucked behind your monitor or out of sight. Just one cable from that mess of devices would then have to be connected to the desktop.

Actually, I quite like that idea... a lot! Now that I just thought about it, I seriously want this, like yesterday!

Intel is including Thunderbolt 3 in Skylake/Sunrise Point.
DockPort is an official VESA standard as an extension to their DisplayPort standard. I don't know what devices down the road are planning to incorporate DockPort, but it's royalty free, so I wouldn't doubt if it gains some traction somewhere.

That said, there is a neat trick of Thunderbolt that DockPort won't be able to compete with: Thunderbolt is not simply USB and whatnot over a DP interface, it is a direct PCIe interface extension. The benefit to that is less CPU overhead, I believe, if you connect devices that utilize high throughput over any various connection as compared to a direct USB extension, you can shave some CPU usage. That said, if you are using USB over TB, I think whatever CPU overhead exists for USB will still be present.

I believe that, through PCIe, it can actually serve as an extension of basically any connection standard, but that may be up to the level of integration the TB controller has. I suspect in Sunrise Point (the first 100-series chipsets), TB will be integrated into the desktop PCH and into the CPU itself for mobile SKUs (mobile Skylake parts will almost resemble a SoC in design, the PCH, aka Northbridge, integrated into the CPU).

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Scart is where its at...

Scart... bigger is better :awe:

Dude, SCART can do RGB. Epic, screw HDMI.

http://retrorgb.com/

Disclaimer: No matter how good of an idea you think it is to pick up an old school RGB CRT and all the stupid SCART crap, don't do it. The nostalgia will pass in a month or two. If you must enjoy classic games in their glory, XRGB-Mini, best bang for your nostalgia buck.

Now back on topic. DisplayPort is a pretty awesome connector. HDMI is actually pretty good as well, when it was initially introduced, the fact that it was electronically the same as DVI was a boon for PC users. Now I don't really care as I don't have a 3D TV or a 4k TV.

 

[cmdrdredd]

This all depends on your market and point of view.

FireWire was extensive throughout the professional audio and video scene. Especially FireWire 800 that trumped everything USB had to offer at the time.

It didn't have much use in the consumer space because, well frankly, most consumer devices had not needed the transfer speed at the time FW was prominent. It reached a major level of prominence in the professional or prosumer entirely due to Apple, as much of that market used, and still uses, OS X for production and design. (There are good reasons for this, I have come to find out, which is why I now use and like both OS X and Windows - different strengths)

No I meant during the initial reveal and all that. The systems had it but I don't think there were any devices using it yet when they introduced it. To me it seemed Apple was putting the cart before the horse just a bit there.