HDMI 2.0 is pointless

[13Gigatons]

It would be nice if they would really bump up the bandwidth so we could have a standard last for a few years. Going from 10.2 to 18Gbps isn't even double. Give us 50 or 100Gbps and have the bloody standard last for awhile.

12 years and they have gone from 5gbps to 18Gbps....nothing to brag about.


PS: I just plain tired of buying new cables.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Right...you clearly have never done digital design and have no idea how timing works. FWIW, the cable is the same.

 

[Black Octagon]

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_2_0/hdmi_2_0_faq.aspx

 

[razel]

Yup... time to let this thread wither and die.

 

[ShintaiDK]

HDMI 2.0 does exactly what it needs to. 4K@60Hz.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Overengineering increases costs more than necessary.

I mean, why did we have 10Mbit, 100Mbit, Gigabit, and 10Gigabit ethernet? Why didn't they just engineer 10Mbit's PHY to handle 10Gigabit, just so that we wouldn't have to buy new cables?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Back in my day we used coax cable to connect to our Novell server and we liked it!

Now get off my lawn!

 

[ShintaiDK]

Back in my day we used coax cable to connect to our Novell server and we liked it!

Now get off my lawn!

Back in the day with large coax based networks. Only the real men wasnt affraid to touch the metal connectors.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Overengineering increases costs more than necessary.

I mean, why did we have 10Mbit, 100Mbit, Gigabit, and 10Gigabit ethernet? Why didn't they just engineer 10Mbit's PHY to handle 10Gigabit, just so that we wouldn't have to buy new cables?

The same reason it was said "Nobody will ever need more than 1GB of RAM"

 

[13Gigatons]

Hey guys I think you missed the point of the thread.

I have hdmi 1.1, 1.3, 1.4 and now need to buy 2.0 cables. It's really a waste and they will end up in a landfill. I hoped HDMI 2.0 would be a significant upgrade.

USB at one time increased their bandwidth ten fold and now it's only double plus you need a new cable anyway. These cables have become a cash cow.

Sigh....The RCA connector lasted for decades in the audio industry.

 

[96Firebird]

HDMI 1.4 and 2.0 cables are the same... Like the first reply said.

 

[13Gigatons]

Right...you clearly have never done digital design and have no idea how timing works. FWIW, the cable is the same.

The connector is the same the cable is not. Older cables don't always work with newer equipment.

I would welcome a complete redesign. New cable and new connector provided they have plenty of bandwidth for 4K and even 8K.

 

[garagisti]

But if they gave you what you ask for, how will they sell you an upgrade?

I think it is mostly HDCP 2.2 compliance you need to worry about for 4k.

 

[Shehriazad]

PC users need to selectively start using DP only and let HDMI die.

HDMI is a cancer...

-Always a step behind.
-Expensive cables without locking mechanism that instantly break (or cheap cables that break even faster)
-Drives up hardware cost due to royalty fees

DP on the other hand side can use adapters to EVERY other standard...INCLUDING the ancient VGA, has a locking mechanism, is more durable, cheaper...and so on.

I hate seeing 2-4 HDMI inputs on GPUs...because that makes me realize that this product could have been cheaper.

Anyone making hardware that has an HDMI port needs to pay 10.000$ annually + 15 cents for every single unit sold. The cost per unit goes down a little if you actively advertise HDMI on your product/packaging...annoying crap.

 

[bystander36]

The connector is the same the cable is not. Older cables don't always work with newer equipment.

I would welcome a complete redesign. New cable and new connector provided they have plenty of bandwidth for 4K and even 8K.

There are only 2 qualities of HDMI cables. You are falling for marketing if you have been buying them for every version. There is normal and high speed, that is it. Sometimes they market it for a specific version, but that is just marketing.

The great thing about HDMI 2.0 is you can support 4k at 60hz on a PC, and you can finally get 120hz on lower resolutions on HDTV's.

 

[Shehriazad]

The great thing about HDMI 2.0 is you can support 4k at 60hz on a PC, and you can finally get 120hz on lower resolutions on HDTV's.

Oh...4K at 60hz? You mean....the same 4K at 60Hz that DP could effectively use since 2012 already (and had it ready since 2009)

What's so great about that? XD.


The only "great" thing about HDMI 2.0 is that it finally supports 21:9 resolutions...that's right....HDMI needed until like 2014 to get products on the market that properly support 21:9.

 

[videogames101]

Because TMDS channels running at speeds for 50Gbps are significantly harder(read: more expensive) to build hardware and cables for.

 

[Sohaltang]

HDMI cables are cheap. They make life a lot easier than the old RCA and speaker wires setup.

The thing that sucks about HDMI also plagues DP. No content.. No devices. No market. My 65 Samsung 8550 is supposed to be one the best 4k TV you can buy. The only connection is ARC to AVR. That is just to pass sound. The TV with apps(luckily the premium pays off here) and Plex/media center are the only way of getting anything in 4K. 4k bluray has not been released.

 

[PC Master Race]

HDMI cables are cheap. They make life a lot easier than the old RCA and speaker wires setup.

I fail to remember when or if RCA was ever used for PC. Anyways DVI FTW still even today.

 

[bystander36]

Oh...4K at 60hz? You mean....the same 4K at 60Hz that DP could effectively use since 2012 already (and had it ready since 2009)

What's so great about that? XD.


The only "great" thing about HDMI 2.0 is that it finally supports 21:9 resolutions...that's right....HDMI needed until like 2014 to get products on the market that properly support 21:9.

Not many HDTV's give you DP. Like it or not, but TV's use HDMI with only a handful of rare exceptions. Having HDMI capable of 120hz and 60hz at 4k is a big deal for those who want to use a TV on a PC.

 

[alcoholbob]

PC users need to selectively start using DP only and let HDMI die.

HDMI is a cancer...

-Always a step behind.
-Expensive cables without locking mechanism that instantly break (or cheap cables that break even faster)
-Drives up hardware cost due to royalty fees

DP on the other hand side can use adapters to EVERY other standard...INCLUDING the ancient VGA, has a locking mechanism, is more durable, cheaper...and so on.

I hate seeing 2-4 HDMI inputs on GPUs...because that makes me realize that this product could have been cheaper.

Anyone making hardware that has an HDMI port needs to pay 10.000$ annually + 15 cents for every single unit sold. The cost per unit goes down a little if you actively advertise HDMI on your product/packaging...annoying crap.

lol DP is garbage and has horrendous resolution resize issues with 4K+ displays, the cables aren't all to spec (you never know if you are getting one with a live 20 pin cable or not), the broadcast strength is way below HDMI 2.0 so the cable runs at 4K are hot garbage short, and you get all kinds of weird artifacts at 4K with DP 1.2 that you don't have with HDMI 2.0 because after 3 years of DP support the DP SST scalers are still worse than SST HDMI 2.0 and have MST-like flickering, and driver support is garbage on both nvidia and AMD for DP.

Oh...4K at 60hz? You mean....the same 4K at 60Hz that DP could effectively use since 2012 already (and had it ready since 2009)

What's so great about that? XD.


The only "great" thing about HDMI 2.0 is that it finally supports 21:9 resolutions...that's right....HDMI needed until like 2014 to get products on the market that properly support 21:9.

Yeah and after 3 years of support DP 1.2 is still worse than HDMI 2.0.

 

[videogames101]

I fail to remember when or if RCA was ever used for PC. Anyways DVI FTW still even today.

DVI has the same electronic signaling as HDMI, so idk

 

[ShintaiDK]

PC users need to selectively start using DP only and let HDMI die.

HDMI is a cancer...

-Always a step behind.
-Expensive cables without locking mechanism that instantly break (or cheap cables that break even faster)
-Drives up hardware cost due to royalty fees

DP on the other hand side can use adapters to EVERY other standard...INCLUDING the ancient VGA, has a locking mechanism, is more durable, cheaper...and so on.

I hate seeing 2-4 HDMI inputs on GPUs...because that makes me realize that this product could have been cheaper.

Anyone making hardware that has an HDMI port needs to pay 10.000$ annually + 15 cents for every single unit sold. The cost per unit goes down a little if you actively advertise HDMI on your product/packaging...annoying crap.

And you really think DP is great? DP is just as bad, just with other flaws.

 

[Shehriazad]

And you really think DP is great? DP is just as bad, just with other flaws.

Name them. Otherwise I call you out on blowing hot air ;P.


Because there aren't a whole lot of flaws left that it could have.

DP 1.3 now also has adaptive sync and even higher hz at 4K/5K.

Let's see:

DP:
-Moar Hz
-Locking Mechanism
-No Royalty fees
-Adaptive Sync
-Able to use adapters to EVERY other type, including VGA, DVI-D, HDMI.
-Proper 21:9 support for quite some time now...unlike HDMI 2.0 that needed way too long to follow up...thus 21:9 Monitors with HDMI 1.4 exist...creating all kinds of trouble.


And now don't give me crap like "dayum bro, you might get a bad cable"....the same thing applies to HDMI cables...very much so. And someone else was talking about crazy artifacts or something like that...never had such an issue...neither did anyone in my circle of friends...sounds more like a very specific issue that a few people could end up with...you know...like people buying semi-DOA hardware.

 

[ShintaiDK]

MST/SST issues.
Low signal strength. And this is basicly a dealbreaker.
Very mixed cable quality.
Different cables.
Big bulky connector.
Low cable lengths before needing active cables.
Active solutions are high cost.