HDR+AA not working on X1800XTs

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gtx4u

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Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: Zenoth
Ok, I've just taken a few screenshots (thanks Steve) in Far Cry (patched to version 1.3).

With "\r_hdrrendering 7" in effect.

In-game settings were: Everything as high as it could be, except for resolution (1024 x 768), and Lightning quality (there is a bug with "Very High"), which was set at "High".

With 6x Adaptive A-A / 8x HQ A-F

Screenshots:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4071/farcry00002ki.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8319/farcry00018or.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9392/farcry00037md.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7093/farcry00055cs.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4884/farcry00069ha.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9307/farcry00079jd.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/963/farcry00095ox.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1237/farcry00100rb.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4901/farcry00115wd.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8411/farcry00129uq.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6380/farcry00149km.jpg

The screenshots format is .JPG, and I as I look at them, I see there's some lack of details, and they might not make justice to what it really is to see it in motion.

But it's better than nothing.

My conclusion: AA (or AAA, as in "Adaptive" AA) does indeed work with HDR. Well ... Far Cry's, at least.

Good contribution to this thread. It does appear that HDR+AA is working. Wonder why [ H ] couldn't figure that out...? Can you take some shots from an indoor level that really shows the contrast of HDR?

Cause Hardocp flamed ATI remember that before the x1800 launched?
 

gtx4u

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LOL this just pwned HARDOCP and Rollo, Seems like HDR does work with AA

For those of you who is complaining "OMFG slow performance!!!!" go crossfire when it will be available next month or sooner I hope if you don't have enough money, well that's not our problem now is it? Go to ur nearest ice cream store and work ur ass off I know I did for my first computer.

As for the Serious Sam 2 HDR bug thing, I think and hope it will be fixed soon in the next Catalyst Release, these are only minor bugs. (Remember nVidia has graphical bugs with Guild Wars and FarCry too on some Drivers but that was fixed)

The only big problems are when you have artifacts and you didn't overclock ur card those are the REALLY big bugs you should worry about.
 

gtx4u

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Thats pretty cool feature, but can you notice a difference between HDR and HDR with AA?

You can notice the difference between 0x AA and 2x AA anyday if you had a good moniter and a good pair of eyes. Just look at the diagonal and the round character lines.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: gtx4u

LOL this just pwned HARDOCP and Rollo, Seems like HDR does work with AA

For those of you who is complaining "OMFG slow performance!!!!" go crossfire when it will be available next month or sooner I hope if you don't have enough money, well that's not our problem now is it? Go to ur nearest ice cream store and work ur ass off I know I did for my first computer.

As for the Serious Sam 2 HDR bug thing, I think and hope it will be fixed soon in the next Catalyst Release, these are only minor bugs. (Remember nVidia has graphical bugs with Guild Wars and FarCry too on some Drivers but that was fixed)

The only big problems are when you have artifacts and you didn't overclock ur card those are the REALLY big bugs you should worry about.


LOL

Maybe you should have read ALL the posts? Like the one where Dave Baumann of B3d says Zenoth isn't running HDR because it's only available with an alpha patch only reviewers have?

You just pwned yourself! :laugh:
 

gtx4u

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Originally posted by: Rollo
One more question Dave- can you tell us what sort of performance you were getting/settings/system?

Reason I ask is in my testing with a 7800GTX/3800+ I got 39/42/46/51 fps average on the four benches I ran at 16X12 HDR7 0X8X.

So if that screenshot is at 10X7 HDR 2X8X an 33fps average, a person might rather play at 16X12 0X8X and be running in the 40-50fps range.

In a game like Far Cry an average fps of 33 is unplayable, way too many dips below that magic 30fps threshold- don't you think?

10x7 2x AA performance is way way faster than 1600x1200 with no AA, don't be fvcking stupid.
 

gtx4u

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
Rollo, am I right if I say that you don't care about nVidia cards not being able to do HDR + AA ? But you would find it important to point out that ATi ones can't, while ATi says it can ?

Let's presume ATi cards definitely can't do it. Would it matter much ?

I mean, yes, to you it would, but on a technical point of view, do you think it would ? Unless you can't make a difference between a technical view, and a personal opinion.

Pretending Far Cry becomes the ONLY available game to show off HDR + AA, with patch 1.4, then ATi or not, it would remain the only one, right ? Ok. Now, let's pretend that by the time G80 comes out and Far Cry is still the only one, would you buy Far Cry just for that, presuming G80 supports HDR + AA ?

In other words ... I'm still wondering how important is all that to you, since you don't even own an X1K GPU at the moment (but if I am wrong, please, show us pictures that you do own one).

As a consumer, I myself, could be concerned with the possibility that the product I bought isn't supporting a feature that the company that creates it claims it does.

You, Rollo, are an nVidia consumer at the moment, and since a long time if I'm not mistaken. I have nothing against that.

But I believe that if you do not own an ATi card of the X1K series, than you shouldn't complain, since all you'd do is brag about a product not being able to do something specific, while the products you own can't either ... I mean it's simply pointless in the long run. It blatantly shows you as what most people name a "fanboy", and shows that you'd be proud to see an actual proof to your assumptions.

There is no official way to technically demonstrate it doesn't work, but there's none to demonstrate it does.

Therefore why don't you just wait ?

I'm trying to understand the real, true reason why you made this thread Rollo, just tell me why.

And especially, please answer this one: Why are you interested in the possibility that HDR + AA doesn't work on X1K series specifically ?

Do you want nVidia to support it "done right" ?
Were you interested in one of the X1K series cards and you're disappointed by the possibility it doesn't work ?

Just please give me a reason. I'd like to understand.


To have fun seeing the stupidity of the human mind squabble mindlessly at each other, that is the nature of him and this thread....
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: gtx4u
Originally posted by: Rollo
One more question Dave- can you tell us what sort of performance you were getting/settings/system?

Reason I ask is in my testing with a 7800GTX/3800+ I got 39/42/46/51 fps average on the four benches I ran at 16X12 HDR7 0X8X.

So if that screenshot is at 10X7 HDR 2X8X an 33fps average, a person might rather play at 16X12 0X8X and be running in the 40-50fps range.

In a game like Far Cry an average fps of 33 is unplayable, way too many dips below that magic 30fps threshold- don't you think?

10x7 2x AA performance is way way faster than 1600x1200 with no AA, don't be fvcking stupid.

Should I be as "smart" as the guy that just made a bunch of posts about how Zenoths HDR-less pictures were proof of HDR+AA like you just did, even though even Zenoth admits he wasn't running HDR now?

Did you bother to follow any of the links in this thread? Like the one to HardOCP where they found 10X7 HDR 2XAA to be unplayable on Serious Sam 2 on a X1800XT? I can guarantee you that I can run Serious Sam 2 at much higher setting than that playable? :laugh:

You're too "smart" for me GTX4u- I give up!

Maybe you should take your great victories and run along now, as you're sort of de-railing the thread with OT flames? :wine: (a holiday toast to you!)


 

gtx4u

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: gtx4u

LOL this just pwned HARDOCP and Rollo, Seems like HDR does work with AA

For those of you who is complaining "OMFG slow performance!!!!" go crossfire when it will be available next month or sooner I hope if you don't have enough money, well that's not our problem now is it? Go to ur nearest ice cream store and work ur ass off I know I did for my first computer.

As for the Serious Sam 2 HDR bug thing, I think and hope it will be fixed soon in the next Catalyst Release, these are only minor bugs. (Remember nVidia has graphical bugs with Guild Wars and FarCry too on some Drivers but that was fixed)

The only big problems are when you have artifacts and you didn't overclock ur card those are the REALLY big bugs you should worry about.


LOL

Maybe you should have read ALL the posts? Like the one where Dave Baumann of B3d says Zenoth isn't running HDR because it's only available with an alpha patch only reviewers have?

You just pwned yourself! :laugh:


What makes you think Alpha patch won't be released soon? For all you know it can be released tommorow.

Ur a dumbfvck u know that Rollo? First ur tittle says ATI x1800 lineup can't do HDR+AA but with the proof on the table, what is the best you can say? HDR+ AA has slow performance! Well guess what I could careless because I'll be playing it on a Crossfire x1800 XT setup while running at 1600x1200 4x AA + 16x AF with full blown HDR, something you'll never be able to achieve with nVidia cards for a while.
 

Zenoth

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Really guys, why is this thread still alive ? We know, or we believe we know why Rollo made it. He, and we made the necessary points. I myself was mistaken ... by mistake. I admited I was wrong, and you know what ? My life is still going on ! W00t !

Seriously guys, and Rollo, too, let this thread die.

The bottom line of all this loss of time is time itself. Let time speak, let's wait until games truely support it, and then we'll see. And by the time many games support that, R600 will be there, and R520's HDR+AA feature probably forgotten. Do yourself a favor, everyone, and stop loosing your time here. I suggest you do as well, Rollo.

This very post from me in this thread was my last, that's for sure.

Was a pleasure to contribute to nothing.

Peace all.
 

gtx4u

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: gtx4u
Originally posted by: Rollo
One more question Dave- can you tell us what sort of performance you were getting/settings/system?

Reason I ask is in my testing with a 7800GTX/3800+ I got 39/42/46/51 fps average on the four benches I ran at 16X12 HDR7 0X8X.

So if that screenshot is at 10X7 HDR 2X8X an 33fps average, a person might rather play at 16X12 0X8X and be running in the 40-50fps range.

In a game like Far Cry an average fps of 33 is unplayable, way too many dips below that magic 30fps threshold- don't you think?

10x7 2x AA performance is way way faster than 1600x1200 with no AA, don't be fvcking stupid.

Should I be as "smart" as the guy that just made a bunch of posts about how Zenoths HDR-less pictures were proof of HDR+AA like you just did, even though even Zenoth admits he wasn't running HDR now?

Did you bother to follow any of the links in this thread? Like the one to HardOCP where they found 10X7 HDR 2XAA to be unplayable on Serious Sam 2 on a X1800XT? I can guarantee you that I can run Serious Sam 2 at much higher setting than that playable? :laugh:

You're too "smart" for me GTX4u- I give up!

Maybe you should take your great victories and run along now, as you're sort of de-railing the thread with OT flames? :wine: (a holiday toast to you!)


OMFG idiot, go bench any game at 10x7 on 2x AA vs 16x12 with no AA and see which one is faster.

And ur too stupid to read what I originally post which was just "10x7 2x AA performance is way way faster than 1600x1200 with no AA" I didn't say anything relating to HDR or FarCry or Serious Sam. This proves that u are a flaming troller who baits other ppl to start a flame war.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: gtx4u
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: gtx4u

LOL this just pwned HARDOCP and Rollo, Seems like HDR does work with AA

For those of you who is complaining "OMFG slow performance!!!!" go crossfire when it will be available next month or sooner I hope if you don't have enough money, well that's not our problem now is it? Go to ur nearest ice cream store and work ur ass off I know I did for my first computer.

As for the Serious Sam 2 HDR bug thing, I think and hope it will be fixed soon in the next Catalyst Release, these are only minor bugs. (Remember nVidia has graphical bugs with Guild Wars and FarCry too on some Drivers but that was fixed)

The only big problems are when you have artifacts and you didn't overclock ur card those are the REALLY big bugs you should worry about.


LOL

Maybe you should have read ALL the posts? Like the one where Dave Baumann of B3d says Zenoth isn't running HDR because it's only available with an alpha patch only reviewers have?

You just pwned yourself! :laugh:


What makes you think Alpha patch won't be released soon? For all you know it can be released tommorow.

Ur a dumbfvck u know that Rollo? First ur tittle says ATI x1800 lineup can't do HDR+AA but with the proof on the table, what is the best you can say? HDR+ AA has slow performance! Well guess what I could careless because I'll be playing it on a Crossfire x1800 XT setup while running at 1600x1200 4x AA + 16x AF with full blown HDR, something you'll never be able to achieve with nVidia cards for a while.

Ouch. Quoted for permanence. The mods don't take kindly to people tossing out names like "dumbfvck".

In any case, I think it's pretty obvious which one of us is the more well-spoken.

It's pretty amusing watching you get all enraged about hardware you don't even own though?
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: gtx4u
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: gtx4u
Originally posted by: Rollo
One more question Dave- can you tell us what sort of performance you were getting/settings/system?

Reason I ask is in my testing with a 7800GTX/3800+ I got 39/42/46/51 fps average on the four benches I ran at 16X12 HDR7 0X8X.

So if that screenshot is at 10X7 HDR 2X8X an 33fps average, a person might rather play at 16X12 0X8X and be running in the 40-50fps range.

In a game like Far Cry an average fps of 33 is unplayable, way too many dips below that magic 30fps threshold- don't you think?

10x7 2x AA performance is way way faster than 1600x1200 with no AA, don't be fvcking stupid.

Should I be as "smart" as the guy that just made a bunch of posts about how Zenoths HDR-less pictures were proof of HDR+AA like you just did, even though even Zenoth admits he wasn't running HDR now?

Did you bother to follow any of the links in this thread? Like the one to HardOCP where they found 10X7 HDR 2XAA to be unplayable on Serious Sam 2 on a X1800XT? I can guarantee you that I can run Serious Sam 2 at much higher setting than that playable? :laugh:

You're too "smart" for me GTX4u- I give up!

Maybe you should take your great victories and run along now, as you're sort of de-railing the thread with OT flames? :wine: (a holiday toast to you!)


OMFG idiot, go bench any game at 10x7 on 2x AA vs 16x12 with no AA and see which one is faster.

And ur too stupid to read what I originally post which was just "10x7 2x AA performance is way way faster than 1600x1200 with no AA" I didn't say anything relating to HDR or FarCry or Serious Sam. This proves that u are a flaming troller who baits other ppl to start a flame war.

Quoted again for permanence. Forget your meds today?

Don't worry...the video cards will be OK.......you don't need to protect them anymore......go to sleep.......shhhhhhhhhhh.....
 

Zebo

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The SS2 thing looks like it is most likely a driver issue,

You mean as ATI drivers suck down 200MB of main memory they don't even have calls for every game yet? What are we talking there 400MB?
 

gtx4u

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: gtx4u
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: gtx4u
Originally posted by: Rollo
One more question Dave- can you tell us what sort of performance you were getting/settings/system?

Reason I ask is in my testing with a 7800GTX/3800+ I got 39/42/46/51 fps average on the four benches I ran at 16X12 HDR7 0X8X.

So if that screenshot is at 10X7 HDR 2X8X an 33fps average, a person might rather play at 16X12 0X8X and be running in the 40-50fps range.

In a game like Far Cry an average fps of 33 is unplayable, way too many dips below that magic 30fps threshold- don't you think?

10x7 2x AA performance is way way faster than 1600x1200 with no AA, don't be fvcking stupid.

Should I be as "smart" as the guy that just made a bunch of posts about how Zenoths HDR-less pictures were proof of HDR+AA like you just did, even though even Zenoth admits he wasn't running HDR now?

Did you bother to follow any of the links in this thread? Like the one to HardOCP where they found 10X7 HDR 2XAA to be unplayable on Serious Sam 2 on a X1800XT? I can guarantee you that I can run Serious Sam 2 at much higher setting than that playable? :laugh:

You're too "smart" for me GTX4u- I give up!

Maybe you should take your great victories and run along now, as you're sort of de-railing the thread with OT flames? :wine: (a holiday toast to you!)


OMFG idiot, go bench any game at 10x7 on 2x AA vs 16x12 with no AA and see which one is faster.

And ur too stupid to read what I originally post which was just "10x7 2x AA performance is way way faster than 1600x1200 with no AA" I didn't say anything relating to HDR or FarCry or Serious Sam. This proves that u are a flaming troller who baits other ppl to start a flame war.

Quoted again for permanence. Forget your meds today?

Don't worry...the video cards will be OK.......you don't need to protect them anymore......go to sleep.......shhhhhhhhhhh.....


At least I'm not a sad fool brainwashed by nVidia like you are, I just use what ever is the best on the table.

Ur way of insulting is just as bad as mine, only u do it "intellectually" a more pvssy way of doing it. U think it really matters? Ur just a meaningless nVidiot to the average gamers eyes.

I'll go to sleep when I want to. U can go to sleep now Rollo u don't have to protect that nVidia mom of urs.
 

gtx4u

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: gtx4u
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: gtx4u

LOL this just pwned HARDOCP and Rollo, Seems like HDR does work with AA

For those of you who is complaining "OMFG slow performance!!!!" go crossfire when it will be available next month or sooner I hope if you don't have enough money, well that's not our problem now is it? Go to ur nearest ice cream store and work ur ass off I know I did for my first computer.

As for the Serious Sam 2 HDR bug thing, I think and hope it will be fixed soon in the next Catalyst Release, these are only minor bugs. (Remember nVidia has graphical bugs with Guild Wars and FarCry too on some Drivers but that was fixed)

The only big problems are when you have artifacts and you didn't overclock ur card those are the REALLY big bugs you should worry about.


LOL

Maybe you should have read ALL the posts? Like the one where Dave Baumann of B3d says Zenoth isn't running HDR because it's only available with an alpha patch only reviewers have?

You just pwned yourself! :laugh:


What makes you think Alpha patch won't be released soon? For all you know it can be released tommorow.

Ur a dumbfvck u know that Rollo? First ur tittle says ATI x1800 lineup can't do HDR+AA but with the proof on the table, what is the best you can say? HDR+ AA has slow performance! Well guess what I could careless because I'll be playing it on a Crossfire x1800 XT setup while running at 1600x1200 4x AA + 16x AF with full blown HDR, something you'll never be able to achieve with nVidia cards for a while.

Ouch. Quoted for permanence. The mods don't take kindly to people tossing out names like "dumbfvck".

In any case, I think it's pretty obvious which one of us is the more well-spoken.

It's pretty amusing watching you get all enraged about hardware you don't even own though?

Funny how do u know I don't own this hardware? OH wait U don't know anything, ur just assuming it just like u assumed ATI's x1800 line up can't do HDR+AA :roll:

Go head tell a mod, like I can't create 1000 more new names.

Rollo I just wanted to say that : UR THE BIGGEST NVIDIA PET I've ever seen
 

gtx4u

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I wonder what would life be like if ATI did go out of business. I know... nVidia jacking up the prices by 50% there happy Rollo? Gamers should be happy that Rollo exist to give u all so much entertainment. nVidia cards for life.

Of course Rollo that is what u want isn't it? To get more dollars into nVidias already big wallet? To see gamers force into paying 699 dollars for their next graphics card. Yeb I can see ur agenda now.
 

rise

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lol, for a "meaningless nvidiot", you sure let rollo get under your skin. what a maroon
 
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