HDR+AA not working on X1800XTs

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Rollo
So the bottom line is Zenoth is NOT RUNNING HDR+AA, and Zenoth, Morph, and Dingo owe me an apology for doubting my correct info yet again. Sweet.

Apology, nice one! :laugh:

The only one that needs to apologise is YOU, as clearly Dave has pointed out HDR+AA works and you claimed otherwise. (FUD)

It's absolutely amazing what people can get out of reading a few sentences.
Can you show us where exactly he pointed this out please? :laugh:

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It's absolutely amazing what people can get out of reading a few sentences.
Can you show us where exactly he pointed this out please? :laugh:

May I sugges this http://www.chicagohs.org/wetwithblood/i...n/Remains/214%20color%20spectacles.jpg

and looking at the title again.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It's absolutely amazing what people can get out of reading a few sentences.
Can you show us where exactly he pointed this out please? :laugh:

May I sugges this http://www.chicagohs.org/wetwithblood/i...n/Remains/214%20color%20spectacles.jpg

and looking at the title again.

And may I suggest this: http://www.pa.com/index.jsp

And address this: "clearly Dave has pointed out HDR+AA works"

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It's absolutely amazing what people can get out of reading a few sentences.
Can you show us where exactly he pointed this out please? :laugh:

May I sugges this http://www.chicagohs.org/wetwithblood/i...n/Remains/214%20color%20spectacles.jpg

and looking at the title again.

And may I suggest this: http://www.pa.com/index.jsp

And address this: "clearly Dave has pointed out HDR+AA works"

Thanks for returning a joke with an insult.

Rollo posts at b3d and knew that HDR+AA worked. He just needed to bide time (for spreading FUD) until Dave himself corrected him.

And by the way, like always good job avoiding my previous question.

 

[nitromullet]

So, to summarize what we have so far:

1) HDR+AA in FarCry does work on X1k cards with the 1.4 patch
2) The 1.4 patch is not available to the public yet.
3) Zenoth was apparently not running HDR+AA in the screens he posted (per Dave's info).

Take away all the personal attacks going on, and there doesn't seem to be too much of a debate here. I still contend that ATI should provide a disclaimer that HDR+AA isn't curretnly available in FarCry instead of just posting pictures showing how good FC looks with HDR+AA, but that's about the only issue I have. I do find it interesting, however, how many people quickly rush to defend ATI and yet how few people actually own an X1k series card. You can say what you want to about Rollo, but he at least buys what he pimps.

 

[Zenoth]

Ah, back from job. Finally. Sad temperature outside today.

Well well ... what has been posted. Now I see that it still isn't technically possible to use HDR in Far Cry as of Patch version 1.3.

Alright, then I was apparently defending thin air all that time. My fault I guess.

Ignorance burns huh ? Especially when you're brought into it by what seems and looks to be proper information (from a web-site, which I linked you guys to in an earlier post). Because of them, I thought it was possible. Because of what they said, I thought it would be nice to try and see. I also thought it was indeed HDR.

Now ... come to think of it ...

I never owned Far Cry, and the copy I had was my friend's copy. I did played it before a few times however. It is very possible that at the time I played it before, the in-game settings were not as high as they were yesterday at home.

I believe it was the first time, for me, I saw Far Cry in such beautiful action. It made be believe I was using HDR.

Now, one thing is for sure though ... it might not be HDR, but one cannot say it doesn't look good

And I can't wait for a public version of Patch 1.4, so I can try it again, and finally see if it's technically possible or not, even if I don't really care, because I'm not gonna spend money to buy that game, since 1) I don't really have the time to play games lately, and 2) I saw Far Cry's ending before, and its multi-player isn't interesting me, but I do like its visuals.

And, Rollo, perhaps you should change your thread's title.

Because, if Far Cry's developers must release a Patch to make it work, then it proves to us all, including you (unless you blatantly want to ignore that) that developers must make sure THEY make that possible.

The cards themselves won't speak to the game's engine and tell it "Hey ... hey, you there ... pssssst ... yeah, you, you know what ? I can do HDR + AA, mind if you accept to show it for me ?".

So, the X1K series is physically, technically capable of it. But developers must (well, at least Far Cry's devs) show us that it is with software changes.

Makes me think about SM 3.0. Graphics cards of today's generations are capable of it, but it is up to the devs to implement it in their games.

And that means saying "it doesn't work on X1800 XT" is technically wrong. Since right now it looks like there's no games capable of really showing us that it doesn't work, unless it doesn't in Far Cry 1.4, which looks like the opposite (as in, it will work). Therefore, it works.

 

[CP5670]

The blue tank thing at the beginning of the Archive level is a good place to see the difference with HDR, if you need a place to test it. It looks overdone with the default parameters, but is very nice when those values are toned down.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
It's absolutely amazing what people can get out of reading a few sentences.
Can you show us where exactly he pointed this out please? :laugh:

May I sugges this http://www.chicagohs.org/wetwithblood/i...n/Remains/214%20color%20spectacles.jpg

and looking at the title again.

And may I suggest this: http://www.pa.com/index.jsp

And address this: "clearly Dave has pointed out HDR+AA works"

Thanks for returning a joke with an insult.

Rollo posts at b3d and knew that HDR+AA worked. He just needed to bide time (for spreading FUD) until Dave himself corrected him.

And by the way, like always good job avoiding my previous question.

Insult, joke, take it as you want. I won't answer a single question you have until mine is anwered. Then feel free to ask away only if I feel you answered my question which is akin to pulling teeth with you.

Nitromullet said it best.

"So, to summarize what we have so far:

1) HDR+AA in FarCry does work on X1k cards with the 1.4 patch
2) The 1.4 patch is not available to the public yet.
3) Zenoth was apparently not running HDR+AA in the screens he posted (per Dave's info).

Take away all the personal attacks going on, and there doesn't seem to be too much of a debate here."

 

[RobertR1]

If rollo's title simply stated "No games currently support HDR+AA (non Source style)on the x1800xt" there wouldn't be arguement but the fact remains, his wording is generally biased and most people can see that.

 

[Cookie Monster]

So, in HL2 lost coast, the HDR and AA used are pretty much software based, and works differently from FCs HDR?

Can the developers do the same thing with other games? such as implementing HDR with AA through software instead?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
If rollo's title simply stated "No games currently support HDR+AA on the x1800xt" there wouldn't be arguement but the fact remains, his wording is generally biased and most people can see that.

Well, is he stating facts or not? Bias, if present, should not even be the issue. Is he stating facts or not?

Video card enthusiasts should have a bias toward nvida this round and last round. They did/are doing very awesome, and ATI did/are doing somewhat, less than awesome.
Common sense says, "Nvidia seems to have it going on right now, mebbe I should give them a go." Common sense also suggests, "ATI has been plagued for the last 1/2 of a year at least with problems, very late to market with a piss poor value/midrange offering and overpriced high end cards that get outdone by cheaper high end nv cards. Reduced warranty reflects confidence ATI has in their product to the general public. Hmm. mebbe I should skip this ATI gen and buy nvidia, and maybe ATI will get their can together for the next gen hopefully.".

Anyone disagrees with this, I really don't give a dern.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, is he stating facts or not? Bias, if present, should not even be the issue. Is he stating facts or not?

Fact: HDR+AA (non valve style) DOES work as clearly demonstarted by Dave B with a special patch. The patch in not yet available to the general public. No current game supports HDR+AA. It's upto the developers to release patches to enable this feature.

Fiction: The feature set of HDR+AA does not work.

Hardware is only as good as the software that utilizes it. Ati should definitely improve their relations with the the respective gaming studios and give them whatever assistance needed to get the patches out and promote this feature.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And may I suggest this: http://www.pa.com/index.jsp

And address this: "clearly Dave has pointed out HDR+AA works"

Thanks for returning a joke with an insult.

Rollo posts at b3d and knew that HDR+AA worked. He just needed to bide time (for spreading FUD) until Dave himself corrected him.

And by the way, like always good job avoiding my previous question.

Insult, joke, take it as you want. I won't answer a single question you have until mine is anwered. Then feel free to ask away only if I feel you answered my question which is akin to pulling teeth with you.

Nitromullet said it best.

"So, to summarize what we have so far:

1) HDR+AA in FarCry does work on X1k cards with the 1.4 patch
2) The 1.4 patch is not available to the public yet.
3) Zenoth was apparently not running HDR+AA in the screens he posted (per Dave's info).

Take away all the personal attacks going on, and there doesn't seem to be too much of a debate here."

Um, its an insult crystal clear one at that. Me suggesting your family has a history of psychopaths is not a joke, its an insult and you clearly dished one out there to me.

And I was the first one to ask the question, it should be me first getting an answer not you. Your inability to answer my question is you accepting that you dont have an answer and admit your bias.

I agree with nitro, why is the title still not changed then. Ignorance? Or is the same "post a flame-bait thread, cause a commotion and run away" kind of thing. Wonder what kind of people do that ...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Who woulda thought, problems with EXR HDR + AA.

Nvidia took support out of their drivers due to issues, but the ati fanboi crowd thought that the magic ATi driver team could fix it.

What do you know? it doesnt work right for them either.

I called this months ago.

Actually I think you did? Good job- pick some stocks for me?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And may I suggest this: http://www.pa.com/index.jsp

And address this: "clearly Dave has pointed out HDR+AA works"

Thanks for returning a joke with an insult.

Rollo posts at b3d and knew that HDR+AA worked. He just needed to bide time (for spreading FUD) until Dave himself corrected him.

And by the way, like always good job avoiding my previous question.

Insult, joke, take it as you want. I won't answer a single question you have until mine is anwered. Then feel free to ask away only if I feel you answered my question which is akin to pulling teeth with you.

Nitromullet said it best.

"So, to summarize what we have so far:

1) HDR+AA in FarCry does work on X1k cards with the 1.4 patch
2) The 1.4 patch is not available to the public yet.
3) Zenoth was apparently not running HDR+AA in the screens he posted (per Dave's info).

Take away all the personal attacks going on, and there doesn't seem to be too much of a debate here."

Um, its an insult crystal clear one at that. Me suggesting your family has a history of psychopaths is not a joke, its an insult and you clearly dished one out there to me.

And I was the first one to ask the question, it should be me first getting an answer not you. Your inability to answer my question is you accepting that you dont have an answer and admit your bias.

I agree with nitro, why is the title still not changed then. Ignorance? Or is the same "post a flame-bait thread, cause a commotion and run away" kind of thing. Wonder what kind of people do that ...

So you mean, nobody can joke around with you because you don't understand the link I sent you? Well, I'll know better next time won't I?

ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). People who have this are not psychopaths. They just have trouble concentrating on specific items for more than a few moments, then it's on to the next thing that they can only concentrate on for a few moments. Honestly, you take out all of the fun if you can't understand the humor.
Such is life. Wasn't an insult, but you can take it as an insult if you like. And you do, like.

EDIT for winking smiley.

 

[M0RPH]

So we have confirmation that it works as long as the game supports it.

Only question left is, why would you buy a video card that makes you choose between HDR and AA if you can have them both?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Well well ... what has been posted. Now I see that it still isn't technically possible to use HDR in Far Cry as of Patch version 1.3.

Agree.

Alright, then I was apparently defending thin air all that time. My fault I guess.

Oh well. It happens.

Ignorance burns huh ?

Disagree. Unless remembering facts about video cards is your job, the boards should be an interchange of information and opinions. Judgement and embarassment aren't part of the deal. The other day I posted the R300 started angle dependent AF. Someone corrected me and said the Radeon1 did. I had a Radeon1 VIVO and a 32DDR at the time but I didn't remember that. For that matter, I think I screwed up benching Far Cry the first time I tried.

Especially when you're brought into it by what seems and looks to be proper information (from a web-site, which I linked you guys to in an earlier post). Because of them, I thought it was possible. Because of what they said, I thought it would be nice to try and see. I also thought it was indeed HDR.

Oh well, all that matters is that we got to the bottom of it and ATI was put in their place.







Psych.
All that matters was we got to the bottom of it.

Now, one thing is for sure though ... it might not be HDR, but one cannot say it doesn't look good

Wait till you see the HDR though- yowza.

And I can't wait for a public version of Patch 1.4, so I can try it again, and finally see if it's technically possible or not, even if I don't really care, because I'm not gonna spend money to buy that game, since 1) I don't really have the time to play games lately, and 2) I saw Far Cry's ending before, and its multi-player isn't interesting me, but I do like its visuals.

Far Cry patches are a strange thing so far. I got a FarCry SM3 patch weeks before NDA expired from nVidia. If I remember right, the patched launched later than it was supposed to, got recalled almost immediately, and didn't resurface for several weeks.

And, Rollo, perhaps you should change your thread's title.

I don't think so. An alpha patch a few guys like Dave has, and SS2 with big rendering errors and sub 10X7 performance at that, isn't a "working feature" to me?

Because, if Far Cry's developers must release a Patch to make it work, then it proves to us all, including you (unless you blatantly want to ignore that) that developers must make sure THEY make that possible. [/L]
The thing is, until a working patch is released for a game, we don't know the hardware DOES work. What if it has falshing textures in spots because they can't code it to work right on ATIs new card?

The cards themselves won't speak to the game's engine and tell it "Hey ... hey, you there ... pssssst ... yeah, you, you know what ? I can do HDR + AA, mind if you accept to show it for me ?".

Errrr, OK?

So, the X1K series is physically, technically capable of it. But developers must (well, at least Far Cry's devs) show us that it is with software changes.

Remains to be seen. It will apparently do something, but will it do it without render errors, and then if it works, at a usable speed?

Makes me think about SM 3.0. Graphics cards of today's generations are capable of it, but it is up to the devs to implement it in their games.

Sort of. This patch exists, but is not being released for some reason. If we could have a X1800 for two months, how long do you think they've had one?

And that means saying "it doesn't work on X1800 XT" is technically wrong.

Remains to be seen. All speculation.

Since right now it looks like there's no games capable of really showing us that it doesn't work, unless it doesn't in Far Cry 1.4, which looks like the opposite (as in, it will work). Therefore, it works.

Poor logic. I say there are no games capable of showing us it does work, therefore, it doesn't work.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
So we have confirmation that it works as long as the game supports it.

Only question left is, why would you buy a video card that makes you choose between HDR and AA if you can have them both?

Where is this confirmation?

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

And, Rollo, perhaps you should change your thread's title.

I don't think so. An alpha patch a few guys like Dave has, and SS2 with big rendering errors and sub 10X7 performance at that, isn't a "working feature" to me?

Your title implies that this feature is broken in the X1K cards. Dave B. has confirmed that it is not broken, that the game just needs to support the feature. Everyone has pointed out to you that game developers need to implement the feature in their games.

You sound like a little child that covers his ears because he doesn't want to hear something. Your credibility on this board is dropping like a rock. You're becoming more and more of a joke around here. Keep it up.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: M0RPH
So we have confirmation that it works as long as the game supports it.

Only question left is, why would you buy a video card that makes you choose between HDR and AA if you can have them both?

Where is this confirmation?

Dave Beauman has confirmed it in this thread. I trust him. You can choose not to believe it if you want.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo

And, Rollo, perhaps you should change your thread's title.

I don't think so. An alpha patch a few guys like Dave has, and SS2 with big rendering errors and sub 10X7 performance at that, isn't a "working feature" to me?

Your title implies that this feature is broken in the X1K cards. Dave B. has confirmed that it is not broken, that the game just needs to support the feature. Everyone has pointed out to you that game developers need to implement the feature in their games.

You sound like a little child that covers his ears because he doesn't want to hear something. Your credibility on this board is dropping like a rock. You're becoming more and more of a joke around here. Keep it up.

LOL Dave has confirmed he's seen it "working" in a non public patch. Whether you'll ever see that patch, we don't know.

V5-6000s were "working" cards for guys like Dave too. Not for guys like you/me though.

(at least until nV bought 3dfx and the lab samples were auctioned)

As far as me becoming a "joke"- this coming from a forum member of your stature Morph truly hurts me!

I'm sure ALL OVER THE WORLD, wise men are shaking their heads and sighing, "Noble MORPH is right. Why would evil Rollo post that ATI HDR + AA isn't working on any HDR games yet?!?!"

LOL

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: M0RPH
So we have confirmation that it works as long as the game supports it.

Only question left is, why would you buy a video card that makes you choose between HDR and AA if you can have them both?

Where is this confirmation?

Dave Beauman has confirmed it in this thread. I trust him. You can choose not to believe it if you want.

He said he "saw a working sample". Nothing public yet. I believe that in the context in which it was given, not what I want it to be.

 

[DaveBaumann]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
He said he "saw a working sample".

No, I have a working sample, in which I can use.

As for performance, Rollo, I guess you missed it:
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r520/index.php?p=21

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Rollo

I'm sure ALL OVER THE WORLD, wise men are shaking their heads and sighing, "Noble MORPH is right. Why would evil Rollo post that ATI HDR + AA isn't working on any HDR games yet?!?!"

LOL

Ah, but you didn't say "yet" in your title. You kinda left that key word out, didn't you?

 

[Zenoth]

Rollo, am I right if I say that you don't care about nVidia cards not being able to do HDR + AA ? But you would find it important to point out that ATi ones can't, while ATi says it can ?

Let's presume ATi cards definitely can't do it. Would it matter much ?

I mean, yes, to you it would, but on a technical point of view, do you think it would ? Unless you can't make a difference between a technical view, and a personal opinion.

Pretending Far Cry becomes the ONLY available game to show off HDR + AA, with patch 1.4, then ATi or not, it would remain the only one, right ? Ok. Now, let's pretend that by the time G80 comes out and Far Cry is still the only one, would you buy Far Cry just for that, presuming G80 supports HDR + AA ?

In other words ... I'm still wondering how important is all that to you, since you don't even own an X1K GPU at the moment (but if I am wrong, please, show us pictures that you do own one).

As a consumer, I myself, could be concerned with the possibility that the product I bought isn't supporting a feature that the company that creates it claims it does.

You, Rollo, are an nVidia consumer at the moment, and since a long time if I'm not mistaken. I have nothing against that.

But I believe that if you do not own an ATi card of the X1K series, than you shouldn't complain, since all you'd do is brag about a product not being able to do something specific, while the products you own can't either ... I mean it's simply pointless in the long run. It blatantly shows you as what most people name a "fanboy", and shows that you'd be proud to see an actual proof to your assumptions.

There is no official way to technically demonstrate it doesn't work, but there's none to demonstrate it does.

Therefore why don't you just wait ?

I'm trying to understand the real, true reason why you made this thread Rollo, just tell me why.

And especially, please answer this one: Why are you interested in the possibility that HDR + AA doesn't work on X1K series specifically ?

Do you want nVidia to support it "done right" ?
Were you interested in one of the X1K series cards and you're disappointed by the possibility it doesn't work ?

Just please give me a reason. I'd like to understand.