Head of FEMA confesses that Federal gov't didn't know that

db

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...until Thursday night, Sept 1

Link

That's Michael Brown, the country-club Arabian horse
enthusiast who is now head of FEMA. Fortunately for him, he's a Republican, so will probably
keep his job.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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They knew on Thursday:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4828771

Listen to that interview of Michael Chertoff by Robert Seigel on NPR's All Things Considered. He didn't know at first but Robert kept explaining what the NPR reporter was seeing at the Conv. Ctr. Robert Seigel reported at the end of the segment that they received word back from the DHS that DHS had received a report confirming. So good to know.

I was listening to that on the way home from work the other day...shaking my head in disbelief at the disconnection from reality in this administration.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Jan 20, 2001
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He will have plenty of time to play with his horses. He's toast . . . and deservedly so. Congress (despite being largely tardy in oversight) will hopefully use this opportunity to end cronyism that kills.

Michael Brown and his predecessor (Joe Allbaugh) were woefully unqualified to head FEMA. Granted, Bush is unqualified to be President so I guess the appointment of comparable incompetence shouldn't be surprising.

borderline repost of this earlier thread
 

DrPizza

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Well, if they would have watched CNN, FOX, or any other station, they'd have known 2 days sooner that they didn't have food or water.
 

nageov3t

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keep his job?

hah.

at this rate, he's on the path to a presidential medal of freedom.
 

Deudalus

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Originally posted by: conjur

I was listening to that on the way home from work the other day...shaking my head in disbelief at the disconnection from reality in this administration.

I have a simple question, bear in mind this isn't a defense of anyone or anything. It is simply a question.

At what point in your minds is something Bush's fault or not his fault. I mean, for most of the guys who defend him no matter what you would have to literally catch him doing something personally or they will defend him.

However, people like you will blame Bush for just about anything making little punchlines such as the quote I listed all the time.


So I ask you being one of his biggest critics, if a swallow farts in the Rose Garden is Bush to blame?

Do you think Bush is so hands on that he controls every action of FEMA?

Do you think he was directly involved in the planning of where and when FEMA would do what?

If you will admit that Bush didn't create this hurricane nor did he directly plan FEMA's actions after the storm, how can Bush be blamed for these problems?


I mean, a critique on the Iraq war for something Bush wasn't directly involved in is understandable because Bush is the reason we are in Iraq. But to take that same frame of mind for this hurricane is petty and seems more like blind bias and tin-foil hat type conspiracy theory thinking that belongs on democraticunderground.com rather than here.
 

boredhokie

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Originally posted by: Deudalus
Originally posted by: conjur

I was listening to that on the way home from work the other day...shaking my head in disbelief at the disconnection from reality in this administration.

I have a simple question, bear in mind this isn't a defense of anyone or anything. It is simply a question.

At what point in your minds is something Bush's fault or not his fault. I mean, for most of the guys who defend him no matter what you would have to literally catch him doing something personally or they will defend him.

However, people like you will blame Bush for just about anything making little punchlines such as the quote I listed all the time.


So I ask you being one of his biggest critics, if a swallow farts in the Rose Garden is Bush to blame?

Do you think Bush is so hands on that he controls every action of FEMA?

Do you think he was directly involved in the planning of where and when FEMA would do what?

If you will admit that Bush didn't create this hurricane nor did he directly plan FEMA's actions after the storm, how can Bush be blamed for these problems?


I mean, a critique on the Iraq war for something Bush wasn't directly involved in is understandable because Bush is the reason we are in Iraq. But to take that same frame of mind for this hurricane is petty and seems more like blind bias and tin-foil hat type conspiracy theory thinking that belongs on democraticunderground.com rather than here.

Your diatriabe sort of misses the point, which you would have probably figured out if you took the time to take the whole thread into context. The disconnection from reality would be hiring someone to head FEMA who's only experience with emergency management before this was making sure jockeys didn't die from their eating disorders.
 

zoiks

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Wow! Read the editorial at the Times-Picayune of New Orleans that CNN hosted on their website thats addressed to the president.

Letter

 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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Originally posted by: db
...until Thursday night, Sept 1

Link

That's Michael Brown, the country-club Arabian horse
enthusiast who is now head of FEMA. Fortunately for him, he's a Republican, so will probably
keep his job.

Keep his job? Thanks to this fvckup, he'll probably get the presidential medal of freedom, if the promotions for condi rice and alberto gonzales is any indication! :|

 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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Originally posted by: dahunan
WHO IN THE HELL HIRED THIS GUY -- He is not QUALIFIED -- IS HE?

Lets see, he's a lawyer by training, he got fired from his last job as some commissioner for horse judges or something, but the important thing was that he was a GOP activist therefor an obedient bush lackey. That's all that matters :|

 

Zedtom

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Do political appointee's have any sort of pre-employment coaching, or are they immediately qualified?

I used to be amused, now I'm just disgusted.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Zedtom
Do political appointee's have any sort of pre-employment coaching, or are they immediately qualified?

I used to be amused, now I'm just disgusted.

Actually you're Zedtom and you have been neither amused nor disgusted.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: Deudalus
Originally posted by: conjur

I was listening to that on the way home from work the other day...shaking my head in disbelief at the disconnection from reality in this administration.

I have a simple question, bear in mind this isn't a defense of anyone or anything. It is simply a question.

At what point in your minds is something Bush's fault or not his fault. I mean, for most of the guys who defend him no matter what you would have to literally catch him doing something personally or they will defend him.

However, people like you will blame Bush for just about anything making little punchlines such as the quote I listed all the time.


So I ask you being one of his biggest critics, if a swallow farts in the Rose Garden is Bush to blame?

Do you think Bush is so hands on that he controls every action of FEMA?

Do you think he was directly involved in the planning of where and when FEMA would do what?

If you will admit that Bush didn't create this hurricane nor did he directly plan FEMA's actions after the storm, how can Bush be blamed for these problems?


I mean, a critique on the Iraq war for something Bush wasn't directly involved in is understandable because Bush is the reason we are in Iraq. But to take that same frame of mind for this hurricane is petty and seems more like blind bias and tin-foil hat type conspiracy theory thinking that belongs on democraticunderground.com rather than here.

At what point does the CEO of a company who hires a total incomptent bear responsibility for the actions of that incompotent?
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: Deudalus
Originally posted by: conjur

I was listening to that on the way home from work the other day...shaking my head in disbelief at the disconnection from reality in this administration.

I have a simple question, bear in mind this isn't a defense of anyone or anything. It is simply a question.

At what point in your minds is something Bush's fault or not his fault. I mean, for most of the guys who defend him no matter what you would have to literally catch him doing something personally or they will defend him.

However, people like you will blame Bush for just about anything making little punchlines such as the quote I listed all the time.


So I ask you being one of his biggest critics, if a swallow farts in the Rose Garden is Bush to blame?

Do you think Bush is so hands on that he controls every action of FEMA?

Do you think he was directly involved in the planning of where and when FEMA would do what?

If you will admit that Bush didn't create this hurricane nor did he directly plan FEMA's actions after the storm, how can Bush be blamed for these problems?


I mean, a critique on the Iraq war for something Bush wasn't directly involved in is understandable because Bush is the reason we are in Iraq. But to take that same frame of mind for this hurricane is petty and seems more like blind bias and tin-foil hat type conspiracy theory thinking that belongs on democraticunderground.com rather than here.

Let me ask you this, do you know who nominated Michael D. Brown as the Under Secretary of FEMA? This guy named George W. Bush did. I don't know about you, but I personally feel when you nominate someone whose prior experience includes running Intl' Arabian Horse Association to run FEMA that's responsible for handling this nation's emergency, you are responsible for the failure of the organization too.
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: dahunan
WHO IN THE HELL HIRED THIS GUY -- He is not QUALIFIED -- IS HE?

Lets see, he's a lawyer by training, he got fired from his last job as some commissioner for horse judges or something, but the important thing was that he was a GOP activist therefor an obedient bush lackey. That's all that matters :|

BFST

Bolded For Sad Truth

 

conjur

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Knight Ridder Exposes Horsey Background of FEMA Chief
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp..._display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054585
So who is Michael Brown, now catching all kinds of criticism for his handling of the catastrophe in New Orleans? It seems his primary career experience before nabbing a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) post was running an Arabian horse association. An article by Matt Stearns and Seth Borenstein for Knight Ridder Newspapers observes, "there was little in Michael D. Brown's background to prepare him for the fury of Hurricane Katrina."

The reporters quote Kate Hale, former Miami-Dade
emergency management chief: "He's done a hell of a job, because I'm not aware of any Arabian horses being killed in this storm. The world that this man operated in and
the focus of this work does not in any way translate to this. He does not have the experience."

During the 1990s, Brown served as judges and stewards commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association. His job was to ensure that horse-show judges followed the rules and to investigate allegations against those suspected of cheating. "I wouldn't have regarded his position in the horse industry as a platform to where he is now," said Tom Connelly, a former association president. The reporters refer to Brown's stormy years with the horses as a "rocky tenure."

But Brown knew Joe Allbaugh, President Bush's 2000
campaign manager. Allbaugh took over FEMA in 2001, and hired Brown as general counsel.


FEMA head takes heat in spotlight
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati...800.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
For the decade prior to joining the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Director Michael Brown was commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association, a Colorado-based group that organizes breeders and horse shows. Then he was asked to resign.

"He didn't follow the instructions he was given
," then-IAHA President William Pennington confirmed Saturday.

Less than five years after that dismissal, Brown, 50, finds himself heading the federal agency charged with responding to one of the nation's worst disasters.

Brown has been one of the leading public faces of a federal response sharply criticized as too little and too late. His statements and sometimes even his demeanor under the camera's glare have been questioned by critics--and often divergent from the grief-stricken reality on the ground.

During one of his first televised news conferences Wednesday, when violence and chaos were spreading in New Orleans and bodies were beginning to be seen floating in the water, Brown laughed and joked as he took reporters' questions.

At points last week, he described security in New Orleans as "pretty darn good." He said he had received no reports of "unrest," nor any information about uncollected corpses. And on Thursday night, he told CNN the agency had just learned that thousands of people had huddled at the New Orleans Convention Center, even though the city had directed them to go there, and journalists had been reporting their plight.


The frustrated New Orleans mayor, C. Ray Nagin, lashed out last week, saying federal officials "don't have a clue" what was going on in his city. And the top Democrat on the House Committee on Homeland Security, Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, was quoted in The New York Times as calling on President Bush to fire Brown.

Seeking her own expert, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco on Saturday hired James Lee Witt, the widely praised FEMA director under President Bill Clinton, to advise her.

Still, even though Bush has called the federal response to the disaster "not acceptable," he praised Brown Friday during a tour of Alabama, saying, "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," the AP reported.

"He's done an enormously good job considering what happened," said Ronald Castleman, former director for FEMA in the region that includes New Orleans. "I think the scale of this is just far beyond anything FEMA was able to prepare for."

Two FEMA representatives, asked to comment Saturday, did not return phone calls.

Brown was born in Guymon, Okla., and received a bachelor's degree from Central State University and a law degree from Oklahoma City University. During the mid-1970s he oversaw emergency services in the central Oklahoma city of Edmond. In the 1980s he practiced law in Oklahoma and Colorado, joining the horse association in 1991.

In 2001, then-FEMA Director Joe Allbaugh, who had served as Bush's chief of staff when he was Texas governor and campaign manager for his first gubernatorial and 2000 presidential campaigns, tapped Brown to become the agency general counsel and deputy director. When Allbaugh stepped down in 2003, Brown was promoted.

"While he hasn't had 30 years of experience, that's true, he's had three or four of the most intense years that agency has ever seen," Castleman said.

FEMA's typical role in a disaster is to augment local and state response, but in a case this big the federal agency takes over. Still, Robert Deyle, a Florida State University urban and regional planning professor, said a lot of the blame pointed at the agency in the Katrina catastrophe has been "misplaced." State and local authorities also deserve some scrutiny.

"The reason he didn't know [about people in the convention center] is the people in Louisiana weren't telling him that," Deyle said. "It's not his job to be the first person on the scene."
Fvcking cop-out excuse for this inept bastard who only got the job because he was a college roommate of the Propagandist's chief of staff during his time as Gov. of Texas.

This is the kind of sh*t my own Gov. is now guilty of doing and which has resulted in indictments against several in his administration but for which the Gov. issued a blanket amnesty a few days and then pled the Fifth when appearing before a Grand Jury.

GOP = Greedy Ol' Pricks
 

dahunan

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When a Fcking disaster is this god damned big then it is FEMA's responsibility to BE THE FIRST ON THE SCENE.. OBVIOUSLY...

 

CanOWorms

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I said it in another thread, and I'll say it again here. I'm surprised he was even the president of an Arabian horse organization. His work better reflects the efforts of a man who runs the Dodo Preservation Society.
 

Linux23

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Originally posted by: dahunan
When a Fcking disaster is this god damned big then it is FEMA's responsibility to BE THE FIRST ON THE SCENE.. OBVIOUSLY...

 

jackschmittusa

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Deudalus

I have a simple question, bear in mind this isn't a defense of anyone or anything. It is simply a question.

At what point in your minds is something Bush's fault or not his fault. I mean, for most of the guys who defend him no matter what you would have to literally catch him doing something personally or they will defend him.

Why would I blame GWB? Because with 4 days notice of a probalbe strike, and 2 days notice of a certain strike, he should have been in Washington, acting like a leader.

He should have been exercising the considerable power as CIC that he loves so much to allocate resources to the problem. Money, materials, and manpower should have been allocated, mobilized, and dispatched with great haste. He should have met with people form the affected states, the federal government, and the military. He should have asked what they could contribute, and expedited the execution over verbal orders if there roadblocks from paperwork, etc..

He should have created taskforces with Presidential authority for: evacuation, relief, and construction. Military airlift capability should have been allocated. Amphibous ships should have been loaded with food, medical supplies, and military police. After discharging their cargo, they would have provided emergency shelter for thousands as they contain large berthing areas and already have the ability to serve thousands of meals daily.

Seabees and engineer battalions could have been alerted and dispatched with their equipment.

A helecopter landing ship would have provided massive (armed) rescue capability.

While GWB might not be bright enough to have foreseen that Katrina would be big deal, with a necessity for massive federal assistance, one of his lackeys should have been bright enough to see it.

Sorry, but a good leader finds out what his weaknesses are, and hires or assigns people with expertise in those areas to work for him, and requires their input. So yes, I can easily assign blame for failures at the federal level to GWB.
 

Smaug

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Originally posted by: Deudalus
Originally posted by: conjur

I was listening to that on the way home from work the other day...shaking my head in disbelief at the disconnection from reality in this administration.

I have a simple question, bear in mind this isn't a defense of anyone or anything. It is simply a question.

At what point in your minds is something Bush's fault or not his fault. I mean, for most of the guys who defend him no matter what you would have to literally catch him doing something personally or they will defend him.

However, people like you will blame Bush for just about anything making little punchlines such as the quote I listed all the time.


So I ask you being one of his biggest critics, if a swallow farts in the Rose Garden is Bush to blame?

Do you think Bush is so hands on that he controls every action of FEMA?

Do you think he was directly involved in the planning of where and when FEMA would do what?

If you will admit that Bush didn't create this hurricane nor did he directly plan FEMA's actions after the storm, how can Bush be blamed for these problems?


I mean, a critique on the Iraq war for something Bush wasn't directly involved in is understandable because Bush is the reason we are in Iraq. But to take that same frame of mind for this hurricane is petty and seems more like blind bias and tin-foil hat type conspiracy theory thinking that belongs on democraticunderground.com rather than here.

Here's what it comes down to. Let's say you are CEO of Boeing, and the VP of Sales screws up. He ends up losing 3 billion dollars worth of revenue. The VP will be gone, but there's a damn good chance you are too. Part of the job of being a leader is oversight. Is intellectual curiosity, and the ability to know whats going on within his organization. If a leader is incapable of this, he does not need to be a leader. This was the premise behind Sorbannes-Oxley, and I think we can hold the President to at LEAST the same standard we hold any CEO of a publically traded company.
 

rickn

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he's bound to be promoted to head the department of health and human services!

 
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