Headbanger Earsubs. The best set of headphones you will ever own for $20

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jvisaria

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Just a note.. Since mine are not compatible with my IPOD Nano I went out and bought a pair of the Sonly EX81's .... they were a little tricky to get in my ears (ive never tried this style of headphone before).. but now seems to be good.
Sound is excellent to my untrained ear, but I cant compare it to the earsubs because I didnt get to try them..
I am also no audiophile.

These were also a little more expensive =/
 

konakona

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Originally posted by: stelleg151
Flat sound is a terrible idea for headphones, because unless you turn the volume up so high that the mid range deafens you, you wont hear the really low bass and high treble, due to the PHYSICAL limitations of our auditory system. Our threshold is much lower for midrange than for the higher and lower ranges, especially lower. Thus, it is smarter to boost the bass and treble a bit rather than flat-lining it and having to turn up the volume so you can hear the bass and treble, but at that point the midranges would be blasting your eardrums into your skull.

interesting theory. I guess it may work for diehard bassheads.
 

AMD K9

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Got these and I was looking forward to these with alot of promise. I had these on while cleaning my house and seemed every 5 minutes they fall outwithout much movement. I listened to my mp3 player for 3 hours and they must have fallen out at least 15-20 times in that time span. I can't imagine taking these to the gym or worse yet out jogging... As well as them falling out of my ears so many times, afer 3 hours your ear canal actually hurts from the earsubs (not from volume but the actual pressure of squeezing into your ear).
 

jsfiat

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I think you can buy universal ear bud replacements of diff size. There is alot of hiss and static from diff source material. All in all, a good buy for the money. These are great for watching a movie in bed on the portable dvd, and still feel like you are in the action
 

konakona

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A good friend of mine was kind enough to bring his pair for me to give a brief trial. Having seen all these praises here, I had somewhat high hopes for finding some undiscovered gem.

The amp isnt that clunky per se, I was expecting something attached close to the plugs and something much more cumbersome. The earphones dont isolate at all, comfort isnt too bad. Havnt gotten a chance to run around with them, but my guess is they are somewhere in between IEMs and regular earbuds in terms of how easily they slip out of your ear. Efficiency seems to be very high, I had to turn the volume a few notch down with the headbangers.

As for the sound, my prejudice was these are going to have very bloated highs, seeing someone mentioning about stronger bass than that of E2Cs. Well they do, bass is definitely bloated on the tracks where there is supposed to be bass presence. Not too boomy as seen in typical quantity-is-everything car audio subs :roll: but not too detailed to either, and still overshadows the other spectrum of the sound turning the whole music muddy. Headstage is quite compressed and doesnt extend too far horizontally. Highs arent too detailed, but somewhat shrill at the same time with a sense of tinniness. The main gripe was fatigue - I felt like taking a rest after 2 tracks going from E2C to these. Hiss could have been the main reason. Contrary to what was said earlier, I found the hiss very noticeable even while playing songs. All in all, I must say I am in huge disagreement with whoever said these sound better than E2Cs. More bass - yeah, but just not as high fidelity audio in general. Kinda felt like going back to the Koss Plugs, except the koss was way more bloated (before modding it anyway) and sounded congested like hell, it actually was pleasing to my ears. I have been very loyal to Sennheiser headphones, always end up preferring their HD-580/600/650 lineup. Not once I really knew what people meant by referring them to be "veiled". Now I am starting to see what it is; the more listen to the headbangers, the more I notice compressed, congested and distorted sound as if someone applied some "tunnel" SFX.

One minor annoyance I have also noticed was when you turn the amp on with the phones plugged in your ear, you will hear a moderately loud pop. Not the most pleasant thing, so it would be better to turn the amp on first.

I am not knocking the sonic prefrence of those who liked this unit; I cant never stress enough how we all hear things differently and harbor different ideas of "ideal sound". Plus this is not a full blown review of this product, only limited to few tracks with my iriver iFP-890 as the source. The chances are though, it will probably sound only worse going from this to i-pods, which are known to be below average for sound quality (or so I have felt personally upon trying them out).

There are always new "giant killers" in the market, and people love hearing about those. But many of those arent actually the giant kilers, although they might be ok for their price range. Think the simple principle of diminishing returns with higher price bracket, and YMMV with how sensitive you are to sound quality and what you deem as "good sound".Not that I was a big fan of mx500, but you would be better served grabbing those for better tonal balance and easier listening. So who would actually benefit from these phones? Headbangers dont isolate, so IEMs will be better for the applications where you need isonation. If you are more concerned about the aesthetics of the wearer and dont want to look goofy wearing full-sized cans, these might be ok. Not the prittiest looking but not slouch either. Yeah, they are only $20 so what do you expect, you might say. But so are HD-201s and they are rated very highly for their value and go for about ~$25 shipped last time I check the hot deals forum. Being full-sized phones they are, I seirously doubt they sound any worse than E2Cs, so there you have it.
 

ChoppedBroccoli

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Originally posted by: VanillaH
A good friend of mine was kind enough to bring his pair for me to give a brief trial. Having seen all these praises here, I had somewhat high hopes for finding some undiscovered gem.

The amp isnt that clunky per se, I was expecting something attached close to the plugs and something much more cumbersome. The earphones dont isolate at all, comfort isnt too bad. Havnt gotten a chance to run around with them, but my guess is they are somewhere in between IEMs and regular earbuds in terms of how easily they slip out of your ear. Efficiency seems to be very high, I had to turn the volume a few notch down with the headbangers.

As for the sound, my prejudice was these are going to have very bloated highs, seeing someone mentioning about stronger bass than that of E2Cs. Well they do, bass is definitely bloated on the tracks where there is supposed to be bass presence. Not too boomy as seen in typical quantity-is-everything car audio subs :roll: but not too detailed to either, and still overshadows the other spectrum of the sound turning the whole music muddy. Headstage is quite compressed and doesnt extend too far horizontally. Highs arent too detailed, but somewhat shrill at the same time with a sense of tinniness. The main gripe was fatigue - I felt like taking a rest after 2 tracks going from E2C to these. Hiss could have been the main reason. Contrary to what was said earlier, I found the hiss very noticeable even while playing songs. All in all, I must say I am in huge disagreement with whoever said these sound better than E2Cs. More bass - yeah, but just not as high fidelity audio in general. Kinda felt like going back to the Koss Plugs, except the koss was way more bloated (before modding it anyway) and sounded congested like hell, it actually was pleasing to my ears. I have been very loyal to Sennheiser headphones, always end up preferring their HD-580/600/650 lineup. Not once I really knew what people meant by referring them to be "veiled". Now I am starting to see what it is; the more listen to the headbangers, the more I notice compressed, congested and distorted sound as if someone applied some "tunnel" SFX.

One minor annoyance I have also noticed was when you turn the amp on with the phones plugged in your ear, you will hear a moderately loud pop. Not the most pleasant thing, so it would be better to turn the amp on first.

I am not knocking the sonic prefrence of those who liked this unit; I cant never stress enough how we all hear things differently and harbor different ideas of "ideal sound". Plus this is not a full blown review of this product, only limited to few tracks with my iriver iFP-890 as the source. The chances are though, it will probably sound only worse going from this to i-pods, which are known to be below average for sound quality (or so I have felt personally upon trying them out).

There are always new "giant killers" in the market, and people love hearing about those. But many of those arent actually the giant kilers, although they might be ok for their price range. Think the simple principle of diminishing returns with higher price bracket, and YMMV with how sensitive you are to sound quality and what you deem as "good sound".Not that I was a big fan of mx500, but you would be better served grabbing those for better tonal balance and easier listening. So who would actually benefit from these phones? Headbangers dont isolate, so IEMs will be better for the applications where you need isonation. If you are more concerned about the aesthetics of the wearer and dont want to look goofy wearing full-sized cans, these might be ok. Not the prittiest looking but not slouch either. Yeah, they are only $20 so what do you expect, you might say. But so are HD-201s and they are rated very highly for their value and go for about ~$25 shipped last time I check the hot deals forum. Being full-sized phones they are, I seirously doubt they sound any worse than E2Cs, so there you have it.


Thanks for the detailed review!

I think I'll pass on these. They do sound like a great value, but for me they are not necessary...I got my Senn PX200's which do the job quite nicely. Only problem is that I taped on some better pleather pads for isolation, but it makes them less portable.

If I didn't already have my PX200's I'd probably get these though.
 

jsfiat

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Well said. I think you are right on the money. I am scanning 1000 pics for a custom slideshow, (not getting paid enough) and am watching the first episodes of Deadwood. The hiss is bad from the portable dvd player, kinda don't hear it when the movie is playing. The funny thing is I haven't tried these with my mp3 player yet, (iriver). I understand there is no hiss with the portable mp3 players as these two amps are not, for lack of a better term, climbing on top of each other. It seems if you listen to any other sources with other amplification, there is alot of backround noise. This wasn't true plugging into the headphone jack on my Harmon Kardon pc speakers, no hiss. I like the bass when I am in the mood for that. But easy listen'n these are not. With the right application they are great. "But we only spent $20.00 bucks"! So, I'm ok with it.
 

Slickone

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Originally posted by: VanillaH
and still overshadows the other spectrum of the sound turning the whole music muddy.
That was my concern and I think what I asked about a few pages earlier. As I've gotten older and smarter, I've gotten more and more less tolerant(?) of this. Also just of a lot of bass in general. In my cars/trucks, I've gone from two subs in a ported box, to one 12" sealed, then one 10", now one 8".
 

funboy6942

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I have absolutly no problem with these and they DO NOT turn the music muddy.
Some people I swear.
 

uhohs

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oh no! other people have different opinions about this product. they must be in the wrong. :roll: lol
 

funboy6942

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Originally posted by: uhohs
oh no! other people have different opinions about this product. they must be in the wrong. :roll: lol

They are, Im always right and you remember that.
 

lrad50

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I got these, they work really well. Sound is very good quality, everything seems solid.
 

Slickone

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I should have went with my instinct. My experience with these is that they weren't worth a penny of my money.

I have always listened with my regular foam earbuds plugged into the headphone in jack on on of my PC's speakers. This way I can use the easy to use volume knob on the speaker. With the earsubs plugged into it, there's a hum that is so loud it sounds just like what I remember standing next to a giant outdoor transformer sounded like. So, I have to plug them plugged directly into my CDROM to avoid the loud hum. But even with that gone, the buzz from the CDROM is terrible. With my others, I get none. Also because of having to hook them up that way, I can only use them to listen to CD's, and not hear any other sounds from my PC, that I normally hear with my regular earbuds. Also the volume dial on the CDROM is harder to use, being very unprecise to get a certain level I want.
If anyone would think the buzz I hear isn't bad, they obviously only have experience with low end audio equipment and just don't know any better (no offense).

Whenever I scroll up and down a webpage, I get a slight groan noise in the earsubs. Plus other noises and different times.

They're pretty loose in my ears, regardless of which of the two foam seals I use. Maybe I'm deformed. Just sitting hear listening while at my PC, they eventually work their way out. I can't imagine doing any sort of activity with them.

There are very little midrange frquencies, and even less upper freqs.

I can barely turn them up or the bass is way too much, and boomy. Again, someone that's not really an audiophile type person might not realize it. I feel like I'm in a bad dance club. There needs to be a bass adjustment. If I could use them plugged into the PC speaker, it has a tone control, which should help. So I have to listen to them pretty quietly to avoid getting my eardrums blown out by bass.

I wish I hadn't bought these. I guess I'll return them, and just loose out on shipping cost.
 

funboy6942

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Bad sound card will give the groan noise when scrolling up and down. I havent had it happen with the ear subs but have had it happen with a bad card or even bad driver on my pc speakers.
CDrom headphones out sucks and can be a bad ground noise the ear sub amp is making sound worse.
And if you get a decent card (or if you have one try updating the driver) and then use the eq in the driver to turn the bass down to the level to your liking

But the scrolling noise your hearing I would almost bet is a hardware issue the headphones are amping. And yes there is a slight hiss noise at times with these but I found just moving the amp around makes it all go away.
 

Slickone

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It's my PC at work, and has onboard sound. So I can't upgrade the sound card, or install new drivers (no admin rights). We're supposedly getting new PCs in a few months that could take care of the problem, but that still won't help the fact that I can't find any way to keep them in my ears. Any tips?

They also should put a bass level dial or slider on it.
 

funboy6942

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I wish I had an answer for them not staying in your ears. Maybe super clean the piss out of them so the rubber insert will stick to the inner wall? Super glue? Duct tape? Or off chance maybe lube the insert with ky and slip them further into the ear cannal?
Could be the inserts arnt too small but your ear to small and they need to actually make it into your ear with some lube????

I agree with you about the bass level knob needed but like before I use the eq on the putter or my MP3 player on the super bass stuff to tone it down.
 

konakona

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Bad grounding is quite common and it is mostly not caused by a bad sound card. Best way to deal with it is getting a USB/SPDIF DAC if you are serious about music; otherwise, try all kinda different configurations with the power plugs (i.e. isolate the computer, monitor, printer, or group them altogether and so on) or a cheater plug (3 prong plug with the center ground prong removed). There is no easy way out, unfortunately.
 

slirp

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Would also like to add I have a pair of these for my PSP. They have an almost Inaudible hiss when there's no music playing. My biggest issue is they cause my music to skip every once in a while which annoys me to high heaven. It was to the point I almost tossed them. It annoyed me so much since they do have fantasic audio quality for ear buds. Unlike anything else I've ever listented to, and definately the best pair you'll find for $20. Just my $.02.
 
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