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mrochester

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And if your next phone didn't support Bluetooth but used some other way to connect you'd be fine with that as well?

Bluetooth isn’t going anywhere as far as I know, but If it offered something better than Bluetooth currently does then I’d consider switching, just like Bluetooth offers something better than wired.
 

WelshBloke

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just like Bluetooth offers something better than wired.

That's just your opinion man.
Bluetooth headsets have advantages and disadvantages, obviously the best option is to allow the user to either chose to use wired or wireless as the situation demands.
 

mrochester

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That's just your opinion man.
Bluetooth headsets have advantages and disadvantages, obviously the best option is to allow the user to either chose to use wired or wireless as the situation demands.

Absolutely, and users have that choice with every phone on the market.
 

mrochester

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And with the better phones have that choice in a streamlined and superior way without the need for dongles or faffing about!

I'm glad we agree!

iPhones don't have 3.5mm jacks.

No one is disagreeing that people should not have the choice to use wired headphones. And no phone manufacturer is stopping anyone from doing so. It's just that as more and more people upgrade to bluetooth over wired, more and more phones will come without a 3.5mm jack. We can't be held back by old standards forever when there is newer, better technology available.

As a technology enthusiast, I welcome new, better wireless technologies over older wired versions. Not all of use can be technology enthusiasts, and that's fine.
 

Zaap

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You're not fooling anyone. You're the antithesis of tech-knowledgeable.
 

Zaap

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As far as space, a modder put a working jack into the iPhone 7... The space excuse was a flat out lie.
Not only that, but since his setup was a work-around to what could have been done in a manufacturing process, it used 3 times more space than a jack planned from the start would have needed The space excuse was such a blatant lie.

I love that dude's videos he's also done cool things like put 256GB internal memory in a standard iPhone, added internal wireless charging to an iPhone 7 and built iPhones from scratch.

A real tech enthusiast with actual knowledge and know-how to back it up... imagine that.
 

UsandThem

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iPhones don't have 3.5mm jacks.

We can't be held back by old standards forever when there is newer, better technology available.

How is having a headphone jack holding anyone back? Are you saying that because they have to plug a cord in?

Bluetooth headphones are great for their convenience. When doing things like yard work, having a cord gets in my way. However, outside of very specific limitations caused by cables at times, the undeniable truth right now is headphones simply offer the best performance when plugged in. This isn't even a personal belief, but take sound readings of the same headphone plugged in, and then take it while it's in Bluetooth mode. It will simply sound the best when plugged in.

Secondly, another downside to Bluetooth headphones is that battery will not last forever. Hopefully when it dies you are able to replace it. Otherwise, if it's a headphone model that doesn't work without battery power (like some Beats models), then it is a pretty paperweight. Finally, a person often pays extra in the first place for a wireless headphone.

If Bluetooth works for you, with your stated purpose of being a "tech enthusiast", go right ahead and enjoy. However, don't be "that guy" shouting that newer tech is always better than what it is trying to replace. Now if one day a new audio technology can outperform the audio plug, I'll be right there with it. Although that day is not today, and I doubt it will be any time soon.
 
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DeathReborn

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How is having a headphone jack holding anyone back? Are you saying that because they have to plug a cord in?

Bluetooth headphones are great for their convenience. When doing things like yard work, having a cord gets in my way. However, outside of very specific limitations caused by cables at times, the undeniable truth right now is headphones simply offer the best performance when plugged in. This isn't even a personal belief, but take sound readings of the same headphone plugged in, and then take it while it's in Bluetooth mode. It will simply sound the best when plugged in.

Secondly, another downside to Bluetooth headphones is that battery will not last forever. Hopefully when it dies you are able to replace it. Otherwise, if it's a headphone model that doesn't work without battery power (like some Beats models), then it is a pretty paperweight. Finally, a person often pays extra in the first place for a wireless headphone.

If Bluetooth works for you, with your stated purpose of being a "tech enthusiast", go right ahead and enjoy. However, don't be "that guy" shouting that newer tech is always better than what it is trying to replace. Now if one day a new audio technology can outperform the audio plug, I'll be right there with it. Although that day is not today, and I doubt it will be any time soon.

My bluetooth headphones have a MicroSD slot (loaded with FLAC files) and a 3.5mm Jack... THE HORROR!!! I tried using them with Bluetooth but the sound is slightly distorted at the higher and lower ranges compared to using the MicroSD or the cable option.

On the subject of "new tech is best" mechanical keyboards are decidedly old tech and they are still my preferred choice, same with wired mouse/keyboard & ethernet over WiFi for a PC.
 
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UsandThem

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My bluetooth headphones have a MicroSD slot (loaded with FLAC files) and a 3.5mm Jack... THE HORROR!!! I tried using them with Bluetooth but the sound is slightly distorted at the higher and lower ranges compared to using the MicroSD or the cable option.

On the subject of "new tech is best" mechanical keyboards are decidedly old tech and they are still my preferred choice, same with wired mouse/keyboard & ethernet over WiFi for a PC.

Exactly.

I like tech as much as the next person, but for me it's all about having options. Then the person can choose what works best for their own personal needs. I'm not able to personally hear a difference in a good $400 headphone compared to a good $1000 one, but I sure as heck can tell the difference when using my Sony headphones in Bluetooth mode vs. the audio jack.

For me, when you begin losing options or choices, it's the opposite of tech advancement. That's simply tech replacement.
 

repoman0

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The XR has a 2.9mAh battery!
Losing the headphone jack didn't gain anything for battery capacity. The Note 9 has a 4000mAh battery and a headphone jack, sPen slot, mSD and IP68.

The rest of the iPhone lineup have even smaller batteries.

You're simply buying into a lie if you believe removing the headphone jack had diddly to do with Apple's battery sizes. If it did, then Apple's designers blow since plenty of other makes can figure out how to do larger capacity batteries without removing features.

And LOL @ why would I want to pay $9 to have a stupid dongle hanging off my phone, rather than *nothing* for a proper jack and no need for dongles. Again, bizarre arguments for a lack of choice.

2900 mAh vs 4000 mAh and the XR still has better battery life. Plus there's about a 0% chance of me ever buying a Samsung product again ... they've proven themselves entirely untrustworthy when it comes to privacy, and the forced ads on my "smart" TV are a deal breaker. (disconnected it and bought an Apple TV, no ads). Apple on the other hand has a decent reputation when it comes to privacy and security.

All I was saying is I was bent out of shape about the lack of jack at first and found it to be a complete non-issue in the end. I don't care that much either way about it at this point, certainly not enough to argue for 5 pages. Maybe Apple did remove it because they're cheap bastards ... yeah, can't bring myself to care. I plan to fully embrace bluetooth headphones soon anyway for phone usage, those Sony noise canceling ones are calling my name. Lack of subway, airplane, and office noise will more than make up for the minuscule difference between wired and bluetooth quality.

I have my 600 ohm DT880s for actual critical listening at home along with a half decent pair of bookshelf speakers.
 

WelshBloke

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2900 mAh vs 4000 mAh and the XR still has better battery life. Plus there's about a 0% chance of me ever buying a Samsung product again ...

That's missing the point entirely. The point being that Apple didn't use or need the space from the headphone jack for extra battery.
 

DeathReborn

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That's missing the point entirely. The point being that Apple didn't use or need the space from the headphone jack for extra battery.

I believe the reason they gave was to improve the haptic engine for the home button, something that wasn't actually the truth and it's not "in the way" now either.
 

Zaap

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I'm not the one with the problem adopting new and better technologies.
Every post of yours reeks with irony.
You've already been schooled on the fact bluetooth is neither new nor better.

You don't seem able to grasp that everyone else didn't have to 'adopt' anything- we have the same things and use them when we want to- it's just we have another choice that you don't.

Logic is NOT a strength you possess.
 
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mrochester

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Every post of yours reeks with irony.
You've already been schooled on the fact bluetooth is neither new nor better.

You don't seem able to grasp that everyone else didn't have to 'adopt' anything- we have the same things and use them when we want to- it's just we have another choice that you don't.

Logic is NOT a strength you possess.

Bluetooth is better because you don't have any wires. Sound quality is great, range is great, battery life is great. I've already schooled you on this, you don't seem to be a very bright student though.

You WILL have to adapt. Mark my words my little student. It's OK that you will be following behind those of use who are tech enthusiasts.
 

DigDog

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Now that i put bluetoothmouseguy on ignore, this thread is really a gem.
There's 4 posts in a row by Welshy.
 

Zaap

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He's one of those people who's entire life is if he's told something other than what he wants to believe, its fingers in ears shouting "the opposite of what you say!! The opposite of what you say!"

Poor guy. Kinda sad way to live.
 

UsandThem

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They have 33 responses in this thread so far, and I also found this thread from a year ago:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...g-moving-forward.2498978/page-3#post-38756865

So if Bluetooth headphones sound good (as the beats studio wireless do), what's the problem with getting rid of the headphone jack?

/"argument" over

He can enjoy his wireless headphones, and we can all move along because at this point it is obvious on what they are doing.
 
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