Health Premiums Up $3,000; Obama Vowed $2,500 Cut

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Jhhnn

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OK, let's just take the chart at face value real quick, because even when doing so, your claim that employers are "squeezing" more out of the employees using this chart is hogwash.

Maybe you've forgotten that percentages are relative? If the cost of something increases by 50%, and the cost is split by multiple people, their individual costs also go up by 50%.

Here, let me put some hard numbers in place so you can understand better.

Original cost = $100.
Employer and employee split 50/50.

Costs go up to $150. That's a 50% increase.
Employer and employee both now pay $75, which is a 50% increase for each one of them.

The chart only lists the employee's contribution increases, however, using basic math (and again, the chart at face value) we can easily deduct that the employer's contributions have very similarly increased along the same trend. And before you come up with "but my aunt's uncle's cousin's brother's work didn't" story, we're talking on average, not literally every single one. Some have indeed passed all costs on, others have absorbed more than the equivalent increase, and many have maintained their same split.

Either you need to go back and learn some basic math, or you're purposely distorting the truth

Heh. The chart is expressed in percentages. Employees are paying a higher percentage. Run your pseudo-math on that.

In general, employees are paying a higher %.
 
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RightIsWrong

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Dulanic

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We still haven't heard a peep from Romney about what he would do besides repeal and replace... he never says replace with what just repeal and replace. If he wants to bash Obama's healthcare, how about he comes up with an idea? Oh wait... he did that in Massachusetts and hmm it required everyone to buy health insurance... kind of like Obamacare...hmmmm.
 

trenchfoot

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Makes me laugh to think that there is so much Repub demanded "compromises" in the ACA and somehow it's all Obama's and the Dem's doing that the ACA got watered down to the point where it's not at all what it was meant to be and do.

You Repubs should thank your own legislators for why the ACA looks and behaves the way it does, and yes, the Blue Dog Dems from Red States also had much to do with the Frankenstein nature of the Act. However, there are good things about the Act that survived the shredder the Repubs and lobbyists put that legislation through.

Own up for once.
 

SparkyJJO

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Heh. The chart is expressed in percentages. Employees are paying a higher percentage. Run your pseudo-math on that.

Wooosh you totally missed it.

If you're focusing on the last couple points where the employee cost increase went up a few points more than the total premium cost increase, then you're totally ignoring other years it was the other way around or even. Come on, read the whole chart properly, not twist a couple points out of context.

There is no pseudo-math here on my end.
 

Jhhnn

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Makes me laugh to think that there is so much Repub demanded "compromises" in the ACA and somehow it's all Obama's and the Dem's doing that the ACA got watered down to the point where it's not at all what it was meant to be and do.

You Repubs should thank your own legislators for why the ACA looks and behaves the way it does, and yes, the Blue Dog Dems from Red States also had much to do with the Frankenstein nature of the Act. However, there are good things about the Act that survived the shredder the Repubs and lobbyists put that legislation through.

Own up for once.

They can't- they're blind.
 

Jhhnn

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Wooosh you totally missed it.

If you're focusing on the last couple points where the employee cost increase went up a few points more than the total premium cost increase, then you're totally ignoring other years it was the other way around or even. Come on, read the whole chart properly, not twist a couple points out of context.

There is no pseudo-math here on my end.

The fact remains that employers have squeezed more out of workers since 2009, and continue to do so, justifying the use of the term "are". If it goes the other way, highly unlikely with enormous unemployment, I'll say "were".
 

SparkyJJO

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The fact remains that employers have squeezed more out of workers since 2009, and continue to do so, justifying the use of the term "are". If it goes the other way, highly unlikely with enormous unemployment, I'll say "were".

/facepalm
 

Engineer

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Wooosh you totally missed it.

If you're focusing on the last couple points where the employee cost increase went up a few points more than the total premium cost increase, then you're totally ignoring other years it was the other way around or even. Come on, read the whole chart properly, not twist a couple points out of context.

There is no pseudo-math here on my end.

What that chart doesn't show is that in 2007, nearly 70% of companies offered healthcare insurance to their employees. As of this year, that's down to 58%. I'm trying to find where I read this but haven't got a link yet. Will post as soon as I find one. Of course, those that work for the 12% of companies that don't now provide coverage, their share went up to 100% of the total premium.
 

Jhhnn

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What that chart doesn't show is that in 2007, nearly 70% of companies offered healthcare insurance to their employees. As of this year, that's down to 58%. I'm trying to find where I read this but haven't got a link yet. Will post as soon as I find one. Of course, those that work for the 12% of companies that don't now provide coverage, their share went up to 100% of the total premium.

That's part & parcel of the bone-o-rama employers exercise in a depressed economy.

STFU, asshole. You're lucky to have a job at all. Don't like it? There's the door, with 10 guys waiting outside eager to get fucked harder than I'm fucking you. Any questions? Didn't think so...
 

MrColin

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The president doesn't set prices of products or services offered by private companies, IDIOTS!
 

IGBT

Lifer
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your obama is a liar. next the retrograde medical service and death panels kick in. It had to be passed to find out what's in it..remember??
 

Dulanic

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your obama is a liar. next the retrograde medical service and death panels kick in. It had to be passed to find out what's in it..remember??

ROFL now the death panel card! I love to read conservative posts in the morning, it's like reading Sunday comics except I save $1.75 for the paper.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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The president doesn't set prices of products or services offered by private companies, IDIOTS!

So even the title of the act is a lie? Since Obama doesn't "set prices" he couldn't make it "Affordable"?

Think carefully before "IDIOT"ing. While government doesn't directly set prices the policies enacted do. Thats jr. high economics.
 

Atreus21

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OK, let's just take the chart at face value real quick, because even when doing so, your claim that employers are "squeezing" more out of the employees using this chart is hogwash.

Maybe you've forgotten that percentages are relative? If the cost of something increases by 50%, and the cost is split by multiple people, their individual costs also go up by 50%.

Here, let me put some hard numbers in place so you can understand better.

Original cost = $100.
Employer and employee split 50/50.

Costs go up to $150. That's a 50% increase.
Employer and employee both now pay $75, which is a 50% increase for each one of them.

The chart only lists the employee's contribution increases, however, using basic math (and again, the chart at face value) we can easily deduct that the employer's contributions have very similarly increased along the same trend. And before you come up with "but my aunt's uncle's cousin's brother's work didn't" story, we're talking on average, not literally every single one. Some have indeed passed all costs on, others have absorbed more than the equivalent increase, and many have maintained their same split.

Either you need to go back and learn some basic math, or you're purposely distorting the truth

Dude, that Sowell quote in your sig is awesome.
 

sm625

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Health care is a huge debacle. And Obama is a bold face liar. People still cant understand how and why someone like him is just a shill for the drug companies. That is ALL he is. It's ALL he does. Shill for the big money. It is ALL he is. There is no more to it than that. And Romney is the same thing. Anyone who continues to support these two big money hack political parties gets exactly what they deserve: More lies, more pandering, more crap shoved in your face and told it smells like roses. Enjoy the frickin smell you 100 million dumb Obomney voters.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Health care is a huge debacle. And Obama is a bold face liar. People still cant understand how and why someone like him is just a shill for the drug companies. That is ALL he is. It's ALL he does. Shill for the big money. It is ALL he is. There is no more to it than that. And Romney is the same thing. Anyone who continues to support these two big money hack political parties gets exactly what they deserve: More lies, more pandering, more crap shoved in your face and told it smells like roses. Enjoy the frickin smell you 100 million dumb Obomney voters.

Precisely what are the economic factors driving health care costs in America? Don't reach for canned responses. Tell us what the specific differences between us and say France. "Well they have UHC" is not an answer. "Government is better" is not either. Equalize everything in terms of demographics, sociology, regulatory compliance costs.

Let us know what you find.
 

bfdd

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Makes me laugh to think that there is so much Repub demanded "compromises" in the ACA and somehow it's all Obama's and the Dem's doing that the ACA got watered down to the point where it's not at all what it was meant to be and do.

You Repubs should thank your own legislators for why the ACA looks and behaves the way it does, and yes, the Blue Dog Dems from Red States also had much to do with the Frankenstein nature of the Act. However, there are good things about the Act that survived the shredder the Repubs and lobbyists put that legislation through.

Own up for once.

Seeing as I am not a Rep PR Dem I blame them both, just Reps less because this wasn't their pet project and the Demand could have executed on their side much better IMO.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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Makes me laugh to think that there is so much Repub demanded "compromises" in the ACA and somehow it's all Obama's and the Dem's doing that the ACA got watered down to the point where it's not at all what it was meant to be and do.

You Repubs should thank your own legislators for why the ACA looks and behaves the way it does, and yes, the Blue Dog Dems from Red States also had much to do with the Frankenstein nature of the Act. However, there are good things about the Act that survived the shredder the Repubs and lobbyists put that legislation through.

Own up for once.

We can thank the foolish for thinking that Obamacare was going to fix any of this regardless of the Reps. The problem was handled by administrators for political haymaking. It is a bill crafted by idiots, full of hope and change, signifying ignorance.
 

cybrsage

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Just another of the broken Obama promises. But hey, he promises to not break the new promises if we do not hold him to his claim of being a one term president...
 

Todd33

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I don't get it, how does the President control health premiums?

If you say Health care reform, did his version that he ran on get through? What is the issue here? You want what his promises, then Congress has to pass it.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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How much of the Affordable Care Act has even gone into action at this point? It is my understanding that most pieces of the law have not even been enacted.
 
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